Wikidata:Property proposal/ACM Digital Library citation ID
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ACM Digital Library citation ID
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control
Description | unique identifier for a bibliographic record in the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) Digital Library |
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Data type | External identifier |
Domain | proceedings (Q1143604) |
Example | Proceedings of the 25th International Conference on World Wide Web (Q27187137) → 2872427 |
Source | http://dl.acm.org/ |
Formatter URL | http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=$1 |
Robot and gadget jobs | None at present, could be semi-automated |
See also | ACM Digital Library author ID (P864) |
- Motivation
Association for Computing Machinery (Q127992) is the primary publisher of international conference proceedings in the field computer science. This property will allow to uniquely identify a publication venue as an issue of conference proceedings. Conference proceedings – the main publication venue for computer scientists, who typically don't publish journal articles – is a type of bibliographic entity with an incomplete data model. A conference proceedings volume may have a dedicated ISBN and other bibliographic identifiers. --DarTar (talk) 06:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC) The Source MetaData WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name.
- per discussion, I updated the proposed property name and changed its scope, since the ID can refer to any bibliographic record in the DL, not just conference proceedings.
- Discussion
- Support but the proposal should extended by property constraints and identifier format as a regular expression. By the way we could also use a similar property for dblp computer science bibliography (Q1224715) -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Comment We have DBLP author ID (P2456) but I converted it from essentially a site relative URL to an author specific pID. This proposed property seems to be similar to the DBLP publication key/ID (and covers both conference and journal publications, etc.) which we do not, that I know of, currently have a property for. Uzume (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Is there any API where these IDs can be used? As far as I know, the ACM keeps its data closed and forbids crawlers on its site. − Pintoch (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 12:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Question What is the ID? The "id=$1" at the end of urls at this website? Is this a thing on wikidata, to get IDs in that way and use them to manage links to websites? This could be done repeatedly for many websites. Is there a name for the practice of associating ID numbers from URLs then using those numbers to identify the content at that location? I might be confused about what is proposed here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Lane, that ID is the part of the ID that changes and indicates the unique page / identifier. It is typical with these types of identifiers. -- Erika BrillLyle (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support Very useful identifier. As to it pointing to a closed data system, many of the identifiers used in Authority control that are industry standard are not open systems. The identifier is still mission critical. Fully support. -- BrillLyle (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fnielsen (talk • contribs) at 09:35, 26 October 2016 (UTC).
- Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- Question There is a problem. I believe it is just a minor labeling issue. What is actually resolved on the ACM page? I see a Doctoral Dissertation and ordinary conference articles. I do not think that this should be called "ACM Digital Library conference proceedings ID". It is more broader: "ACM Digital Library document ID". Or am I missing something (@DarTar:)? The domain, description and label should be changed, as far as I can see. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support It seems like a stable and useful identifier (similar to the DBLP publication key/ID). That said, it seems to be applicable to more than conference proceedings (as per findings by Fnielsen (talk • contribs • logs) and also I notice things like this book.) so I recommend a different/better name—perhaps "ACM DL citation ID" (as per the URL). Uzume (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Support (This was stated by Andrawaag)
- @Fnielsen, Uzume: property name and scope updated per your suggestion, thanks.--DarTar (talk) 16:08, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- @DarTar, Uzume: I am wondering if the word "citation" could be a cause for confusion? I know it is used in the URL, but it is not really a citation. Wouldn't "document" be a better word? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- But I can live with "citation" :) — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Fnielsen: if you find a reference at ACM that better defines the ID, we should consider the name change, but I second Uzume that – lacking this – we should go for what the URL scheme itself advertises. I agree with you that it is confusing and a very poor choice for a parameter/ID name by ACM.--DarTar (talk) 05:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- But I can live with "citation" :) — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- @DarTar, Uzume: I am wondering if the word "citation" could be a cause for confusion? I know it is used in the URL, but it is not really a citation. Wouldn't "document" be a better word? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Done --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)