Wikidata talk:Lexicographical data/Archive/2017/06

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Verb conjugations, declensions

Some languages have verb conjugations with more than 60 forms. Normally those are automatically created with a template (see for instance wikt:en:andar#Conjugation_4). Other languages have declensions (ex. in Latin wikt:en:dominus#Declension). Would it be possible to have some mechanism to automatically create those forms? For instance a service that when detecting some special property would generate the corresponding forms. For example when entering

⟨ andar ⟩ conjugation type Search ⟨ es-conj-ar ⟩

the forms for that verb conjugation would be created automatically, as now does the template wikt:en:Template:es-conj-ar.

On the item "es-conj-ar" could be described how to fill out the forms, and it could be used to check periodically the quality by detecting entered forms that do not match the schema. --Micru (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Micru, thanks for your input.

Yes, such a feature seems to be absolutely feasible, once the structured data model will be implemented. Probably with a gagdet.

We're far from this step for now, but it's already very useful to know what kind of uses you could need :) Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 12:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

If you ask Wiktionaries communities to prioritize the next paths of the project, I am convinced that conjugation come first. It seems quite easy to implement and less destructive than glosses and language codes. And, I think, if you ask Wikidatians to prioritize, conjugation arrive last. Wait a minute, I may have this impression because the whole plan look like it was prioritize by Wikidatians. Maybe I am wrong. Noé (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Noé, how can conjugation be implemented before glosses? Because conjugations depends on glosses (at least on language of the lexeme)! --Infovarius (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Noé:, as far as I can tell from the development plan, conjugations (here called 'Forms') are indeed the next thing to be done :) So, totally agree --Denny (talk) 16:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Conjugation are grammatical glosses, not lexical glosses, and this is lesser controversial. There will be terminological issues but not semantical endless debates. So, it is great to read that you plan to develop this aspect next. Noé (talk) 11:37, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Enable Wiktionary sitelinks in Wikidata

After enabling the extension Cognate that provides the interlanguage links for the main pages of all the Wiktionaries, we will now move forward to the next step of supporting Wiktionary with Wikidata. From June 20th, we are going to store the Wiktionary interwiki links (all the namespaces but main, user and talk) in Wikidata.

Just like Wikipedia a few years ago, a “Wiktionary” links section will be created for the items, the links will be migrated to Wikidata, new items will be created on this purpose, and Wiktionary editors will be able to add and modify Wiktionary links.

How can you help?

• First of all, you can help us translating this documentation page in the languages you know.
• If you know tools, scripts, bots, that could be useful for the migration process and removing the manual sitelinks, please share your informations on the page and offer help to people who would need to use them.
• From June 20th, you may want to pay special attention to the new created items and all recent changes that will result from this new feature available for Wiktionaries.
• Be friendly and welcoming with the Wiktionary editors :) Help them if necessary, make them feel part of the great Wikidata community.

Thank you very much! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 08:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE): I must admin that I don't fully understand what is going to happen. Wiktionary is about words and Wikidata is about concepts so how to connect both? Should Wikidata pages only be linked to instances of word (Q8171)? How does this relate to the rest of Wikidata:Wiktionary development? One or two examples of Wikidata-Items and corresponding Wiktionary pages could help a lot to improve the documentation. -- JakobVoss (talk) 12:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@JakobVoss: If I understand correctly, Wikidata isn't going to store interwiki for words (at least not yet). Interwiki for words in Wiktionary were removed and they are magically set by Cognate now. I think that the pages to import into Wikidata on June 20th are pages in other namespaces (like Categories, Templates, etc). Emijrp (talk) 12:15, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Just like Emijrp said :) We're still not storing words on Wikidata, but we will now provide interwiki links for the pages outside the main namespace. Help:, Wiktionary: are other examples. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Lea Lacroix (WMDE): how about such items? The only sitelink, a page in ruwikisource, in fact it's about a word, much like a wiktionary page. XXN, 21:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC) P.S.: Sorry, my message it's not really about Wiktionary and its sitelinks, but is somehow related to the discussion above.

FYI: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Dictionary_entries. XXN, 01:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Теоретически можно будет соединять со страницей в Викисловаре (когда будет включена возможность делать такие связи, не сейчас), но формально это слово может описываться в нескольких словарях и т.о. страницах Викитеки и значит лучше воспользоваться свойством described by source (P1343). --Infovarius (talk) 22:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Special wikt-categories

At the Dutch wiktionary we are working with categories like category:words with length xx and the english wikt has categories by syllables. Should these categories also be assigned to Qid's as they are mostly different on each wiktionary, so they won't get many sitelinks? Q.Zanden questions? 21:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@QZanden: I think you should create two different items. You could use related property (P1659) to link both items. Pamputt (talk) 10:30, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@Pamputt:, only one small problem, related property (P1659) accepts only P-values as entries. Any way to pass this restriction? Q.Zanden questions? 20:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@QZanden: indeed. You can use different from (P1889) instead. Pamputt (talk) 05:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@Pamputt: one more question, should I just use instance of (P31) Wikimedia category (Q4167836) or should we make a new item wiktionary-category or something like that? Q.Zanden questions? 10:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@QZanden: instance of (P31) Wikimedia category (Q4167836) is fine. You should use it to be consistent with other categories from other Wikimedia projects. Pamputt (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)