Wikidata:Property proposal/usage discussed on page
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usage discussed on page[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
| Description | link to a discussion on Wikidata about how this item or property is supposed to be used; use this only for stable links |
|---|---|
| Data type | URL |
| Domain | properties and classes (item with subclass of (P279) statement) |
| Allowed values | https?://www.wikidata.org/wiki/(Wikidata|Help)(_talk)?:[^#]+ |
| Example |
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| See also | Wikidata:Property proposal/wikidata project |
- Motivation
I had a discussion on WikidataCon about how it's often hard for new people to find the existing discussions where we talked about how an item or property is supposed to be used. Even for established users it's often hard to find the discussion if you don't know it exists and where to look. This property is supposed to make it easier for people to find existing discussions. ChristianKl (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
WikiProject Properties has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. ChristianKl (talk) 09:23, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Question The URL of a discussion thread changes when it's archived. Is it feasible to automate URL updates with a bot? —ShelleyAdams (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- That would like need a small change in the bot that does the achieving. On the other hand the topics I used as examples do have stable links, so it would work for them even without code changes. ChristianKl (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Support I've found the links to property proposal discussions very useful - would you consider replacing that property with this one as it's sort of just a slight generalization of it? ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- I would prefer not to replace it but make property proposal discussion (P3254) subclass this property as that makes it easier for the user to find the property proposal discussion when they seek it. ChristianKl (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Support David (talk) 07:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Support Could be especially useful for new users and those using properties they're unfamiliar with. —ShelleyAdams (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Oppose. It is certainly sometimes difficult to find where a property has been discussed. However, the first place one looks for discussion is typically the talk page, not a statement somewhere down the list on the property page. It would be much more effective and helpful to just add the links to the talk page. --Yair rand (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- In practice the talk page seldomly contains all the relevant discussions. When it comes to properties it's very easy to change the property documentation template in a way that shows this information when we have this property. ChristianKl (talk) 10:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Is it easier, in your opinion, to add statements than to add links to talk pages? Why would the statements be more likely to be up-to-date than the discussion page? --Yair rand (talk) 04:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- You normally don't add a link without text to a talk page and as a result it's more effort to add the information to the talk page than it is to add the link as a statement. ChristianKl (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Is it easier, in your opinion, to add statements than to add links to talk pages? Why would the statements be more likely to be up-to-date than the discussion page? --Yair rand (talk) 04:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- In practice the talk page seldomly contains all the relevant discussions. When it comes to properties it's very easy to change the property documentation template in a way that shows this information when we have this property. ChristianKl (talk) 10:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Support in theory the talk page should be the right place but in practice discussion of multiple items and properties is often bundled around WikiProjects and other pages. -- JakobVoss (talk) 11:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose This will just lead for items to be filled with dozens of internal links
--- Jura 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- If the amount of links get to great it will be always possible to limit the amount of links. I think having multiple links is a lot better than having no way for a new user to find a document like the one that species diplomatic mission are supposed to be labeled. How do you think a user is supposed to find this in the status quo? ChristianKl (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not comfortable with linking to pages with # unless they are archived/stable links. ~★ nmaia d 00:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- @NMaia: Do you support the proposal if we add the qualifier that the link has to be stable? ChristianKl (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, apart from that I see no problems. ~★ nmaia d 02:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if it's really better to not allow anchors (or even Topic: sitelinks while we are at it). Either you link discussions (wherever they are located) or you don't. In general, if the discussion has an actual outcome, somehow this should be mentioned in the property description, its constraints and/or talk page.
--- Jura 08:13, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- @NMaia: Do you support the proposal if we add the qualifier that the link has to be stable? ChristianKl (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment I assumed the property is going to direct users to best starting point for further documentation of an entity unless it is mainly discussed on its discussion page. In most cases this would be a corresponding WikiProject, not a lengthy discussion thread. Links to section titles with # should be forbidden. -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- I think that would be a good thing to have. There is Wikidata:Property proposal/wikidata project that attempts to do that, but also in an indirect way.
--- Jura 08:13, 12 November 2017 (UTC) - Thanks for the pointer, that proposal looks better, so we should close this here. -- JakobVoss (talk) 08:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- I think that would be a good thing to have. There is Wikidata:Property proposal/wikidata project that attempts to do that, but also in an indirect way.
- Support I made a similar proposal focusing on WikiProjects alone Wikidata:Property proposal/wikidata project. After changing its scope, I feel that the proposal is similar to this proposal (more generic). John Samuel 10:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not structured data; it belongs in the propety documentation template; or a similar template on item talk pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: Currently, this data just isn't recorded. Having a property would make it easy for users to add link. I don't think that introducing a new template item talk page would result in this useful information actually being available to users. ChristianKl (✉) 15:36, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is documentation, not structured metadata. This information belongs on the property talk page. Deryck Chan (talk) 15:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Neutral the problem with property proposal discussion (P3254) is about iOS users, where they have to install other browsers than Safari (kindly, they have to jailbreak their iPhone/iPad/iWatch) to visit the links, as otherwise they will face-to-face the "U+FFFD characters in URL" problem. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: I am missing something here. Why are you talking about iOS users here? Is that an example? John Samuel 19:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Not done stale
--- Jura 06:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
