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Wrong capitalization[edit]

Hi this edit was not constructive, as the label is not a proper noun. Please see Help:Labels. - Soulkeeper (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013[edit]

Hello, I'm FrigidNinja. In case you didn't know, when you add descriptions to items, you shouldn't include articles such as "a" or "the". If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!


Not vandalism[edit]

Hi there. Thanks for helping to combat vandalism here. Just so you know, an edit such as [1] most likely wasn't vandalism. Rather, the editor in question probably thought that adding a description like that would add a link to a Farsi article, or (if they really didn't get how Wikimedia works), automatically create a translation of the article in Farsi... to be honest, we really haven't figured out why it happens so much, but the long and the short of it is that most of these changes are good faith... see here for the tag we use to track these; in general, the best thing to do is to undo the change without leaving them any messages at all.

No worries, though, and, once again, thanks for helping out. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 20:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Likewise, if someone removes a link, you might want to go with {{Uw-lr1}} instead of {{Uw-vandalism1}}, as the former is more suited to that, and is more open to the possibility that the user had a good reason for what they did. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 05:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Point taken. I have used the lr1 for link removal edits since you sent me this message. ...Jakob Megaphone, Telescope 21:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Please don't take my !vote personally. I'd love to see you among the ranks of the admins in a while, but it's worth remembering that when you become an admin, you lose some of your freedoms. For instance, if someone leaves me a talkpage note on En-WP and I don't respond to it... then I didn't respond to it; I'm a volunteer and that's my right, so no big deal. But if I do the same thing here, then I'm failing the community in the position it entrusted me with. Which is... somewhat daunting. So, anyways, keep up the good work, and over the next few months maybe periodically check in with yourself to ask "am I doing things the way I'd be expected to if I were an administrator?" All the best, — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 22:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I will also keep that in mind.--Jakob Scream about the things I've broken 23:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Rollback[edit]

Hi, I gave your account rollback since it seems like you're revering vandalism here. Thanks for the help! Legoktm (talk) 12:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

That's funny, I was just about to request it :-). Jakob Megaphone, Telescope 12:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Drugstore[edit]

You just reverted my change to drugstore, which was probably the right thing to do. I'm new to Wikidata, so I made a mistake.

The entry is still wrong though. A "en:drugstore" is fundamentally different from a "de:Drogerie", even if the names sound similar.

  1. Both "en:drugstore" (via Redirect plus) and "en:chemist" (via disambig) point to "en:pharmacy" in the English Wikipedia, so let's assume the three terms are roughly synonyms.
  2. The essential feature of a pharmacy is the sale of medical drugs, both prescription and OTC. (Disagree?) That is exactly what a Drogerie does not do. Drugs are sold at "de:Apotheke"n, and while there is some overlap, these two are quite distinct.
  3. I think there is no equivalent to a "de:Drogerie" in English. "de:Apotheke" should point to both "en:drugstore" and "en:pharmacy".

BTW: Is there a way to comment one's changes? --193.254.155.48 14:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that seems reasonable (I don't know German, so I couldn't tell whether or not the link belonged there). As for leaving a comment with your edit (that's an edit summary), it can be done on items if you're undoing or restoring changes, and can always be done in other namespaces. Jakob Megaphone, Telescope 17:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok great, so could you help me do it? "de:Apotheke" does not seem to accept a second link to "en:drugstore". --193.254.155.48 18:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Requests for comment/Items for Wikimedia projects besides Wikipedia[edit]

Hi,

I saw this announcement and I'm not sure to understand the aim of this page.

  • Is it to vote that we want Wikidata to manage interlanguage links for projects sister as it's already done for Wikipedia few months ago?
  • Is it to say that "I want that Wikipedia articles link to this sister project or this other project sister"?
    • And the same thing from sister project to Wikipedia?
  • Is it to say that we want that sister projects (other than Wikipedias) could benefit of the #property parser function to use Wikidata's datas?

Thanks by advance for your answer, and sorry for my horrible English.

Regards, Automatik (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. The point of the RFC was your fist guess (to determine which projects WD should manage interlanguage links for). --Jakob Scream about the things I've broken 15:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the fats answer :)
And why two sections, so? (Link existing items and Create items for)
What the usefulness of the third section in we only vote for interlanguage links? Automatik (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
In answer to your first question, I initially only thought of, say, having one item with links to all the WP pages on w:George Washington and another item with links to all the Wikiquote pages on q:George Washington. A few days into the RFC, someone had the idea to include (going back to my example above) the WP pages and the Wikiquote pages in the same item, which I now realize is a lot more intuitive.
In answer to your second question, I am not exactly sure, but I notice that such templates would be useful to find relevant pages in other Wikimedia projects (for instance here. --Jakob Scream about the things I've broken 15:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Project chat[edit]

Thank you for this edit. I was using a mobile device while scrolling down my watchlist. I somehow hit one of these rollback buttons, noticed it, and wanted to revert my accidental change. But you were apparently faster ;-) Vogone talk 13:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome Face-smile.svg --Jakob Scream about the things I've broken 13:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Stop![edit]

Could you please stop requesting items for deletion that clearly meet notability policy. Q13513010 (Paul Rau) was part of the list "president of the police in Stuttgart" (Q13512992). Q13533837 was part of the list "mayor of Altomünster" (Q13533649). Q13533865 you've called a duplicate entry to a disambiguation, but it was also part of the list "mayors of Altomünster". This is a "cleary identifiable conceptual or material entity". A corresponding sitelink to a Wikipedia page is not mandatory.
It's very demotivating, if I create for one field a complete system of datasets and it takes only one to destroy it again. -- 79.168.56.35 10:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It's possible, but since you also posted on the talk page of the deleting administrator, who has the technical power to restore the items, I'll leave it to their judgement. --Jakob Scream about the things I've broken 11:51, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Well ... the problem starts with RfDs like yours. All three datasets had clear statements (office held with start date and end date) attributed. By those statements all three datasets were linked to a list that refers to the position held. I think neither is it very helpful to the project nor very respectful to the creator of the datasets to destroy that work. -- 79.168.56.35 14:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
...and it has been restored by User:Hazard-SJ. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 14:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Admin[edit]

WD:RFA, go go. You've got a solid month of deletion requests and you've been around since February. --Izno (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

 :D. It's nice that someone has faith in me, but I failed RFA only last May. I know on some large wikis that would be huge no-no, but maybe not here? --Jakob Scream about the things I've broken 10:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I based my assessment solely on the work you've been doing. Looking at the comments on the previous RFA, I'd say you have assuaged those concerns. I think a solid month and a half here between nominations is fine, and I'm not particularly interested in starting a long-term trend of "wait and see before trying again". You are obviously not a hat collector. I'd be willing to submit the RFA if you want. --Izno (talk) 13:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes please. Thanks again. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 14:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I'll try to get to writing something quick tomorrow. --Izno (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 01:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
You will need to accept the nomination at Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/King jakob c 2 2 and transclude the page yourself. Cheers. --Izno (talk) 22:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
✓ Done --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 23:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Source for census maps[edit]

Please use State/County Subdivision Outline Maps (Q14177941) to source your administration classification and if possible add a comment in the talk page of the property indicating the source to use if another person wants to do the same job. Snipre (talk) 15:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for the tip. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 16:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

Hey Jakob, just so you know, one of your deletion requests has been contested on my talk page. I've directed them to discuss it at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q14178918. Cheers. Delsion23 (talk) 23:23, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I have seen this. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 01:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Please STOP your RfD-vandalism![edit]

Again a valid item got deleted after one of your requests. Q14178918 was part of your project to record all recipients of the German Order of Merit. It had a valid statement and obviously fulfils all requirements of WD:N.
Can you please act less destructive? Do you think it is motivating to put lots of work into this project, just to get it deleted within a few hours? -- Task Force BVK (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Please do not accuse editors of vandalism. Jakob believes the item fails WD:N, as do I. Please contest the deletion at WD:RfD, and please assume good faith. This can be solved through real discussion, not silly accusations. Delsion23 (talk) 23:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
see #Stop! ... this is already beyond assuming good faith. -- Task Force BVK (talk) 00:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I agree that such deletions are very frustrating for the respective editor who put time and effort in his work. I also see no sense to this RfD as well by the way. --Nightwish62 (talk) 19:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
It makes more sense to try to include this in a statement or to wait until phase 3 comes along. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 20:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Why waiting when we know phase 3 comes for sure? And what do you mean with "try to include this in a statement"? The most properties just accept items, so we've no other choice than creating items for things we like to include into a list. --Nightwish62 (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I did not realize that this was supposed to be part of a list when I RFD'd it. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 20:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Chemical property proposal[edit]

Please look at Wikidata:Chemistry_task_force/Properties to see the status of properties creation before proposing new property. The property about melting point was already proposed and approved. See the pending property list. Snipre (talk) 18:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

OK. I removed the proposal. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 18:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Really please check the chemistry project or at least the pending property before proposing new property. Your proposal about speed of sound is deleted because already proposed. Snipre (talk) 16:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Mohs hardness[edit]

I moved your proposal under the correct headline: Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term#Mineralogy. I saw that you added it another time to the page. --Tobias1984 (talk) 12:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 12:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Organizing various physics related topics[edit]

Hey! Thanks for the supporting votes. I am currently looking through a few physics related infoboxes. I started with the isotope infobox (only the item-datatype properties). For better coordination I started a task force page: Physics task force. If you would like to participate your more than welcome. --Tobias1984 (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've joined. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 18:42, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

decays to (P816)[edit]

The property decays to (P816) that you supported is available now.--Tobias1984 (talk) 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

decay mode (P817)[edit]

The property decay mode (P817) that you supported is available now. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I suppose this means items for nuclides will be created now? --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 23:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. We have to be really careful with creating nuclide items. There are a lot of nuclide items already out there hidden behind exotic-language-only labels. I am slowly working myself up the periodic table working with websearch, Wikidata search and interlanguage links in Wikipedia. If you create any nuclides please add them to this list: Wikidata:Physics_task_force/List_of_nuclides. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the nuclides. I started a new page for atomic number 19 through 36 (Wikidata:Physics_task_force/List_of_nuclides_2). It is always good to check the dutch category for isotopes. The dutch list doesn't have the links. I guess there is just to much stuff to maintain it. Another reason Wikidata will be great in the future. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

New economic property proposals on Wikidata[edit]

Hi King jakob c 2!

Would you possibly be interested to comment on these newly proposed economic properties on Wikidata? Here is a link http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term

Thanks, Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I might comment on some of these. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 16:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Fission[edit]

Fission product yields by mass for thermal neutron fission of U-235, Pu-239, a combination of the two typical of current nuclear power reactors, and U-233 used in the thorium cycle.

Just saw your message. I think that adding somevalue is a good solution for fission products. We probably need a separate property for fission that links to the daughter isotopes and gets a qualifier for the chance that a certain dauther is produced. We can't add those values to the other property because usually fission competes with a different decay mode and we need the qualifier for chance to say e.g. alpha decay = 95 % fission 5 %. --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Josep Maria Oliver i Cabasa (Q14834634)[edit]

Hi. Just in case you didn't see but care anyway: I didn't delete Josep Maria Oliver i Cabasa (Q14834634), which you requested deletion for. However, I guess it just has been kind of an edit conflict, with the IP that created the item adding sitelinks while you already were reporting the empty item. Maybe you want to slow down the report of newly-created items. Maybe you don't. ;) --YMS (talk) 12:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I guess I won't use RecentChanges for new page patrolling again :). --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 13:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Checking items when they are created still might be a good idea, as spam, nonsense and duplicates may be detected early before they do any harm or get lost in the deep of Wikidata. Just keep in mind that if a new item is empty, chances are that someone is busy filling it right now - a new user or a somewhat complex issue may require some time for adding a sitelink or a label or linking the item anywhere in a statement. --YMS (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Busy[edit]

Wow, you are really busy for a long time. I wish you all the best and hope to talk to you soon! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Luckily, it's more like semi-busy. I'll still edit, just at a somewhat reduced rate. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 16:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
That is good to hear ;) --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


Congratulations, Dear Administrator![edit]

Deutsch | English | español | français | italiano | Nederlands | português | русский | +/−

An offering for our new administrator from your comrades... (our gift is better than the one at Commons or Meta)

You have your gun; now here's your badge: {{User admin}}/{{#babel:admin}} and {{Admin topicon}}. Enjoy!

Jakec, congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Wikidata. Please take a moment to read the Wikidata:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Wikidata:Project chat and Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikidata-admin @ irc.freenode.net. If you need access, you can flag someone down at #wikimedia-wikidata @ irc.freenode.net. You may find Commons:Guide to adminship to be useful reading, although it doesn't always completely apply here at Wikidata. You may also want to consider adding yourself to meta:Template:Wikidata/Ambassadors, and to any similar page on your home wiki if one exists. (WT:Wikidata/Wikidatans on En-WP.)

Please also add/update the languages you speak to your listing at Wikidata:List of administrators. You may also like to add your username to this list if you would not like that items you delete at RfD get marked as deleted automatically. Again, welcome to the admin corps!

Vogone talk 21:19, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 18:56, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Welecome--DangSunM (talk) 23:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

re admin[edit]

I am sure that I would pass an admin election, though where I am an admin, I feel it is only fair that I know the admin rules, rather than as another hat. Here I don't follow the rule-making scene that much and just edit, so I will just edit without responsibility until the community hounds me down and tells me otherwise. :-)  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:38, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

ok :-) --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 00:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Please do not delete the items I am working on[edit]

The item about the painting also described by commons:File:Holbein – S. Maria Maggiore – Basilica Cycle 1.jpg is notable by points 2 and 3 of WD:N. And I wonder how you could guess that it is not notable by the first point only some seconds after its creation. I will now do the same work again. Please do not delete it another time. Thanks, --Marsupium (talk) 22:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how it meets either criterion. It's currently orphaned and I don't see too many references discussing the painting itself - just the basilica. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 22:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Just to clear the problem for some other cases: Sooner or later we will create items for all artworks described by commons:Template:Artwork with currently about half a million transclusions. I am not the only one working on this project. The descriptions of these artworks say something about their artists as well fulfilling point 3 of WD:N. And concerning point 2 I assure you that it will be quite a hard work to find any of these artworks and objects that cannot "be described using serious and publicly available references". You may find a small bibliography listing only the most important sources for this case at de:Basilikazyklus#Literatur if you are interested. I hope you trust my prediction for the rest of the coming items. Cheers, --Marsupium (talk) 23:16, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'll let you work on this in peace Face-smile.svg --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 23:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
You may want to hold off on importing image metadata, as we don't know yet how Wikidata will integrate with Commons for phase 2. --Izno (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, the items do not collect image metadata. They collect merely data of artworks which are in the scope of WD:Artworks task force. In fact this touches the Commons image metadata (cf. e.g. Wikidata_talk:Artworks_task_force/Item_structure#Permission). But the data is quite useful on Wikidata anyway. However, I won't import much in near future. Most of this work should probably not done manually. --Marsupium (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Q838251[edit]

You realize that you're adding an Italian type to American roads... right? --Rschen7754 00:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

<facepalm> I've removed the claims. Thanks for letting me know. Don't know how I could've missed that. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 00:32, 2 November 2013 (UTC)