Help talk:Sitelinks

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Badges[edit]

The lead section says sitelinks can have badges, but badges are future features as described in the dedicated section. Should it be corrected? --fryed-peach (talk) 07:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

That part is taken from Wikidata:Glossary#Sitelinks, and still states that sitelinks can have badges. And Badges are there marked as future feature as well. Anyway: no objection against correction. HenkvD (talk) 17:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
✓ Done For now I commented it out. --fryed-peach (talk) 01:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

All namespaces except User:[edit]

I don't understand why e.g. User_talk: can get a Wikidata-entry, but User: isn't allowed to. Where's the reason? Is there already the intention to show the other-language-links according to the status of the single-user-login nor what? Thx, for answering.
--Kai Burghardt (talk) 20:04, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

"User_talk: can get a Wikidata-entry" - That's very strange because in general no talk pages have Wikidata entries. --Michgrig (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Change "code" to "site"[edit]

As far as I can see, the screenshot is out of date, as I think the "code" (eg 'en') has been replaced by 'enwiki', no? --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

You are right, but other things have changed as well, like it is called "Wikipedia pages linked to this item" now, [edit|remove] is [edit], and in a few days "Wikivoyage pages linked to this item" will be added. As Wikidata is in constant development it is bound to be a litle out of date. Code for Wikivoyage will be enwikivoyage etc. Feel free to update. HenkvD (talk) 17:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Updates as part of documentation overhaul[edit]

Hi all, I recently made substantial edits to Help:Sitelinks as part of a larger sitewide documentation overhaul (more info on this here).

To compare my edits with the previous version please see the diffs here

Major changes include the following:

  • removed mention of badges (as they are a future feature that has not yet been implemented)
  • removed old screenshot - I have replaced with some newer ones and added an image that explains how sitelinks vs interlanguage links work
  • changed all mention of 'interwiki links' to 'sitelinks' for consistency
  • updated content so it now refers to Wikimedia sites more generally vs. just Wikipedia which was the case before
  • provided info on interwiki conflicts - i.e. what they are
  • added an example of naming sitelinks for main namespace and non-main namespace links
  • moved content around to differentiate between instructions that are for Wikidata side of things and those that are for WMF sites side of things (i.e. suppression of Wikidata links, manually using anchors for interlanguage links, etc.)
  • explicitly mentioned that it's only possible to add a sitelink to one item - otherwise there will be an error message

Please let me know if you have any concerns about these changes or suggestions on further improving the documentation. Here are issues I would also like specific feedback on:

  • what needs to be done to get this page from a proposed to an accepted guideline like Help:Description?
  • should badges be in there?
  • are there too many/too few screenshots? Are the ones in there helpful?

Thanks. -Thepwnco (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Here are my observations again:
  • In my opinion, from the first paragraph, everything (including the graphics) except the first sentence may be erased. It does not really provide useful information about the nature of site links. The history of site links can be part of the Wikidata project's Wikipedia article. Furthermore, site links are not used for identification and it is quite valid to create Wikidata items without providing site links. Somebody, correct me if I am wrong, but Wikidata's nature is to be a bit more granular than Wikipedia. Having Wikipedia articles and Wikidata items in a 1:1 relationship is kind of pointless.
  • Not many people seem to take care of the Help pages. As much as possible, I would refrain from listing content whose change is quite likely, like listing the currently supported Wikimedia site. Probably, also the French site link example at the bottom of the page is problematic and, maybe, the solution there should be explained more in detail without an actual example.
  • There is some information which is too technical or, at least, phrased in a too technical way: "Wikidata sitelinks do not support anchors (links to a specific section of a page) which are represented by the "#" character on Wikimedia sites." Personally, I would rather put the technical term (anchors) in parentheses and the second part of the sentence is simply confusing - especially for users less technically versatile.
  • I had to read the Beatles example three times before getting it. "Furthermore, it's not even possible [...]" sounds more like criticism. If it is not possible to link to sections and everybody would really like to - why is there no reason given why someone cannot link to sections?
  • In my opinion, the screenshot description is not correct. To be precise, only the form for adding another site link is highlighted. The existing site links are in default state.
  • To be even more precise, "Sitelinks can be added for Wikimedia sites and in more 200 languages" is a bit misleading and sounds a bit odd. Each of the Wikimedia sites features one language or pseudo-language (e.g. simple English) per definition.
  • Just wondering what does "Only add a sitelink for a language and a Wikimedia site if a page on that language version of the Wikimedia site already exists." mean? Is it possible to create empty site links?
  • The information at Interlanguage links with anchors should also be mentioned somehow at the stage where sitelinks to sections are negated. It is possible - just not via Wikidata...
  • There probably should be an additional screenshot of how the sitelinks look like on another Wikimedia site - basically the result of the sitelink listing in Wikidata. The screenshot should be from the page that is connected to the item the current screenshot is of.
  • Maybe there should be some information about bages and how one has to assign them at the moment (most likely a link to the Wikipedia documentation is fair enough) with just mentioning that this will change as well at some point.
Random knowledge donator (talk) 19:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

RfC about proper sitelinkage when an item is the subject of multiple interwiki articles[edit]

I propose making the outcome of this RfC part of the Help:Sitelinks page.--Anders Feder (talk) 15:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Sitelinks to Wikidata WikiProjects[edit]

I saw that WikiProject U.S. Roads (Q1890587) has an "Other sites" sitelink to Wikidata:WikiProject Roads/United States, but when I tried to add a similar link to Wikidata:WikiProject Open Access on WikiProject Open Access (Q19794158), I did not get that to save. Any pointers? --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Sitelinks to Wikisource Main page[edit]

There are articles in the wikisource main page – not the wiki in a specific language. How to use them? https://wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Tom%C3%A1s_%C3%93_Criomhthain Ogmios (Tratsch) 09:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Querying badges[edit]

I would like to obtain the list of enwiki featured articles (before mining it, but that's not the question).

I imagine I could get it by writing something like link[enwiki]{claim[???:Q17437796]} (Q17437796 is featured article (Q17437796)) but at that point I'm blocked. Is this the correct way indeed ? How to do it ?

Thank you !

Tinm (talk) 14:54, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Sitelinks to draft namespace[edit]

Is there any guidance on whether it is a good idea to add sitelinks to Wikipedia articles in the draft namespace? My opinion is that it would be very useful to be able to do so, as the data would help to develop the article while in its infancy. I've noticed that although it is possible to do this, the interwiki links to not display on the draft article. This makes it harder to use other language versions when writing the article. MSGJ (talk) 10:19, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

removing a language sitelink[edit]

I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how you break a link between, say, the English wiki page and the French page.

That is: I'm on the English page for something, and I spot that the language link for French links to the wrong article over at the French wikipedia. Furthermore, it's not that the link is merely wrong, it should not go there at all.

Somebody thought the english concept E and the french concept F is the same thing, or similar enough. I disagree and want to boldly undo that link.

So I want to delete the link (break the EN <-> FR chain), not merely edit the link to point to some other French article. I do not want to delete the English article. I do not want to delete the French article. I do not want to delete the wikidata item.

The English page is fine. Its link to the wikidata item is fine. (That is, the wikidata item represents the concept E just fine. It just isn't appropriate for the concept F)

I want to stop the English page from showing the link to any french page in the Languages column to the left. I guess that means I want to uncouple the French page from the wikidata item.

HOW DO I DO THAT?

This was earlier exceedingly simple. Now it seems exceedingly impossible. The help pages doesn't even seem to mention it, much less discuss it.

Any insight much appreciated, CapnZapp (talk) 10:50, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Crossposted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikidata#removing_a_language_sitelink

Sitelinks trouble[edit]

"Sitelinks thereby improve upon this system by having everything centralized in Wikidata." Good intention. Unfortunately it does add problems to WP authors.

Example: In german WP de:Honda Fireblade describes a series of motorbikes that were called en:Honda CBR900RR in the english world. So it would make sense to have interlanguage links pointing to each other article. Now when I click "edit link" below the existing interlanguage links of the latter page, I fail to add "Honda Fireblade" for a "de" entry because of this error:

  • The link dewiki: Honda Fireblade is already used by item Q1626597.

Q1626597 is a wikidata entry for the english en:Honda Fireblade, which is just a redirect to the above en-article.
The WP side of this IMHO makes perfect sense, but the wikidata refusal to accept the interlanguage link - not. It seems wikidata tries to enforce a concept that is not thought through. It's not the first time that I stumbled over this problem, and I guess I'm not the only one. Sounds like a misconception to me (but I'm willing to learn).
--Bernd.Brincken (talk) 23:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

@Bernd.Brincken:There's currently an RFC about allowing links to redirects, that would allow you to have interwiki links in a case like this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Allow_the_creation_of_links_to_redirects_in_Wikidata ChristianKl (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Great, let's pray for the forces of light to prevail. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 10:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)