Wikidata:Property proposal/recovered by

Recovered by

   Done: recovered by (P3093) (Talk and documentation)

Description	person, organisation or vehicle that recovered the item
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"Recovered by" in en:Infobox spaceflight -->
Domain	people, vehicles, objects
Example	Apollo 12 (Q188433) → USS Hornet (Q1141355) Esterhazy Madonna (Q2283808) → Carabinieri (Q54852)
Source	Nasa website

Motivation

For complete data in space mission items. If you prefer, we can create a generic "recovered by"... but I don't think it's a good idea Adert (talk) 21:22, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Question Why do you think a generic "recovered by" is not a good idea? I can think of several items (unrelated to space) where "recovered by" may wish to be used, e.g. shipwrecks, aircrashes (black boxes, etc), prisoners of war (recovered by an operation and/or a specific military unit), etc. Looking at Wikipedia though "recovered by" seems to be some sort of specific term in astronomy but I don't know what it means or whether that needs a property here or not? Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 22:03, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps, I was afraid that it could cause confusion. But for me it is ok --Adert (talk) 22:42, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

@Adert: Do you want to broaden this proposal or should I start a new one? Thryduulf (talk) 01:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Thryduulf: I'm not very expert in this type of procedures; however I think that "broden the proposal" both the better option. Do you agree with me? Thaks for your help! --Adert (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I'll make the changes if you want me to? Thryduulf (talk) 10:01, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Of course! Thanks so much! --Adert (talk) 14:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

•  Comment I've significantly generalised this proposal from the original based on the discussion above. Thryduulf (talk) 16:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
•  Support as generalised. Thryduulf (talk) 16:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
•  Oppose as currently construed, which allows both Apollo 12 (Q188433) → USS Hornet (Q1141355) and Apollo 12 (Q188433) → United States Navy (Q11220). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
  • @Pigsonthewing: That's a good point. My first thought in response is two properties "recovered by" for people/organisations and "recovery vehicle" for vehicles - would that resolve your opposition? Are there any problems with that approach you (or anyone else) can think of? Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
    • I don't think there's a problem here. The most specific person/org/vehicle should be used. I would suspect that in most cases, the vehicle is known and has a known operator for the time period in question. In Andy's case above, the USN operated the recovering vehicle at that time. --Izno (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
•  Support Sounds useful. I second Izno's rebuttal of Andy's argument. --Srittau (talk) 18:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
•  Comment I left a note on Wikidata talk:WikiProject sum of all paintings asking for input about the combination of paintings and spacecraft. In the meantime, I removed "ready".
  --- Jura 04:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Paintings and spacecraft just happen to be the two examples, the domain is any thing or person that has been recovered and so could be used for e.g. boats, bicycles, FIFA World Cup Trophy (Q517621), Ingrid Betancourt (Q152472), etc. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
    • Not sure how this fits Wikidata:WikiProject_Visual_arts/Item_structure#Object_history_or_provenance.
      --- Jura 12:42, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
      • Why not?
        ⟨ painting ⟩ significant event (P793) ⟨ unexplained disappearance ⟩
        recovered by (P3093) ⟨ City of London Police ⟩
        would seem to fit perfectly, although theft (Q2727213) seems to be a prominent omission from that list. Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
        • I'm not sure how you think this matches the sample given above nor the current model for paintings. I think we really need input from the relevant Wikiproject.
          --- Jura 11:39, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
          • How does that example differ from either the examples given above or from the model for paintings outlined on the project page? Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
•  Support -- JakobVoss (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

@Adert, Thryduulf, Izno, Jura1, JakobVoss:  Done --Srittau (talk) 11:39, 23 August 2016 (UTC)