Wikidata:Property proposal/langue d'écriture

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writing language (for published authors)[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Descriptionfor language/s in which a writer has written/published
Data typeItem
Template parameteron Wikisource : categories of languages for authors
Domainhuman (Q5) who publish : writers, authors, scientists, historians, philosophers, journalists, etc... all those used as author (P50) of a textual work... and also organization publish works in their own name.
Allowed valueslanguoid (Q17376908)
Example 1Jules Verne (Q33977) -> French (Q150), not Esperanto (Q143)
Example 2Wilhelm Ostwald (Q12658) -> German (Q188), not Esperanto (Q143)
Example 3Käthe Schirmacher (Q1651018) -> generally wrote in German (Q188), but also in French (Q150)
Example 4Émile Boirac (Q18436) -> French (Q150), and Esperanto (Q143) and Latin (Q397) (source : https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb130091408)
Planned usethousands of writers (> 10000 on frwikisource)
See alsolanguages spoken, written or signed (P1412)

Motivation[edit]

Aubrey
Viswaprabha (talk)
Micru
Tpt
EugeneZelenko
User:Jarekt
Maximilianklein (talk)
Don-kun
VIGNERON (talk)
Jane023 (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Doria (talk)
Ruud 23:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Kolja21
arashtitan
Jayanta Nath
Yann (talk)
John Vandenberg (talk) 09:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
JakobVoss
Danmichaelo (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Ravi (talk)
Mvolz (talk) 08:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hsarrazin (talk) 07:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Accurimbono
Mushroom
PKM (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Revi 16:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 23:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Almondega (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
maxlath
Jura to help sort out issues with other projects
Epìdosis
Skim (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Marchitelli (talk) 12:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
BrillLyle (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Alexmar983 (talk) 23:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Chiara (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Thibaut120094 (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Ivanhercaz | Discusión Plume pen w.png 15:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 17:35, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
User:Jc3s5h
PatHadley (talk) 21:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Erica (ohmyerica) (talk) 19:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Timmy_Finnegan
Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 05:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Sam Wilson 09:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 22:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Andreasmperu
MartinPoulter (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
ThelmadatterThelmadatter (talk) 01:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Zeroth (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Emeritus
Ankry
Beat Estermann (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Shilonite - specialize in cataloging Jewish & Hebrew books
Elena moz
Oa01 (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Maria zaos (talk) 11:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Wikidelo (talk) 13:07, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Mfchris84 (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Mlemusrojas (talk) 3:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
salgo60 Salgo60 (talk) 12:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Dick Bos (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Harshrathod50
 徵國單  (討論 🀄) (方孔錢 💴) 14:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Alicia Fagerving (WMSE)
Louize5 (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Viztor (talk) 05:48, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
RaymondYee (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 22:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Kcoyle (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Tris T7 TT me
Helmoony (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Naunc1
Shooke (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
DarwIn (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I am Davidzdh. 16:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Juandev (talk) 10:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Buccalon (talk) 15:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
MJLTalk 16:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Rosiestep (talk) 20:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC) Dcflyer (talk) 12:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Books @Tpt, VIGNERON, Billinghurst: On wikisources, we need to store (through categories or infoboxes) the languages in which an author wrote, not ALL the languages s/he spokes or reads. It is a very important info for a writer. This info is as specific as the instrument a musician plays... it is identified specifically in UNIMARC (Q2755217)'s field 101, by opposition to field 102 for country (which do not systematically match) on Library catalogs.

  • translator (Q333634) translate from many languages, but generally only in one or two target language. For library authorities purpose, it is important to know not only the list of languages they translated, but also which are the target language/s.

We used languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) for long, but it is now flooded with all sorts of languages that people read, or speak, or even understand, which leads to nonsense info about the writing languages of an author, like saying Jules Verne (Q33977) wrote in esperanto, and a discussion on frws, aiming to remove info coming from wikidata because of this...

For years, the solution given by Tpt (talkcontribslogs) was to "privilege" the writing language, but this seems to pose problems to esperanto projects... and was systematically undone recently. --Hsarrazin (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@Accurimbono, Candalua: who asked for something similar in 2015, precisely for the same purpose. --Hsarrazin (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Useful. --Yann (talk) 05:33, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Strong rationale. NMaia (talk) 06:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Robin van der Vliet (talk) (contribs) 12:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - PKM (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Candalua (talk) 13:34, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Isn't this already stored by the language statements on the works that the author wrote? --Yair rand (talk) 18:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
    • @Yair rand: Isn't that the most roundabout imaginable way of retrieving that information for use on other wikis? Circeus (talk) 05:34, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support but definition must be precise to avoid overlapping with existing languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) and avoid confussion between writing language and publish language (several authors published in more languages that they know. I understand this is a property of the person not a property of its books), is it ? Amadalvarez (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
    • yes, it is a property of the person, precisely to solve the problem of texts published in many languages, which were translated, without mention of translation ^^ --Hsarrazin (talk) 07:16, 26 June 2019 (UTC)