Wikidata:Property proposal/front and backside

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front- and backside[edit]

backside image[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: image reverse (P7417) (Talk and documentation)
  • We could use both proposed properties for Wikidata items about coins & emails, also. However, I oppose under the proposed name. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

frontside image[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Motivation[edit]

c:Category:Media files produced by UNESCO: 2019-09 looks like it could use this. Please add more samples. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 10:44, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Pictogram voting question.svg Question Will the inverse constraint work with itself? I guess yes... Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:41, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
It would be a symmetric constraint (Q21510862) in that case. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
It's hard to say what would be easier to use. I added a few samples for paintings that aren't directly linked.--- Jura 22:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Jane023: maybe The Oxbow (Q3172259) could use the first property to link to File:View from Mount Holyoke, Northampton, Massachusetts, after a Thunderstorm—The Oxbow MET DP-12550-002.jpg. --- Jura 22:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes that would work. Actually you might get more votes by suggesting both properties for a WGA painting currently lacking an item. So the main point of this proposal is that my original comment in the Commons discussion doesn't work. There I said that you need a Commons-based placeholder for the "thing itself" which normally lives on Wikidata for notable paintings. As far as the recto/verso thing goes, your proposal applies beter to e.g. this: File:Huys Dever -Ego sum pastor bonus.jpg as well. Jane023 (talk) 07:25, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
      • @Jane023: At this stage, I mainly try to integrate and improve the proposal based on constructive input received (or formulate an entirely different one). I think it's important to delimit the proposal to properties used for two-sided artworks (done above now). Also to use for actual backsides of paintings hadn't occurred to me, but somehow it does seem missing. I think some art historians like to see them even if images aren't necessarily easily available (added the sample above now). File:Giovanni di Paolo - Virgin and Child - WGA09479.jpg mentioned above didn't actually have an item prior to this proposal. --- Jura 08:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)