Wikidata:Property proposal/NARA record group number

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NARA record group number and NARA collection identifier[edit]

NARA record group number

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   Under discussion
Descriptionthe unique number assigned to a National Archives and Records Administration record group
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainonly items that are instances of collection (Q2668072)
Allowed values[1-9]\d{0,2} (for now)
Example 1Records of District Courts of the United States (Q59296199) → 21
Example 2Records of the Patent and Trademark Office (Q59405143) → 241
Example 3Records of U.S. Strategic Command (Q59408145) → 535
Sourcehttps://catalog.archives.gov
Planned useI will add the complete set of numbers to their items.
Number of IDs in source568
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See also
NARA collection identifier

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   Under discussion
Descriptionthe unique identifier assigned to a National Archives and Records Administration collection
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainonly items that are instances of collection (Q2668072)
Allowed values.{1,10} - any string of up to 10 characters is allowable (all current identifiers appear to contain some combination of letters, numbers, a space, and/or a hyphen)
Example 1Korean War Collection (Q59480206) → HST-KWC
Example 2Douglas MacArthur Papers (Q59480207) → DDE-1294
Example 3Dwight D. Eisenhower Library Small Manuscripts Collection (Q59480209) → DDE-1207
Sourcehttps://catalog.archives.gov
Planned useI will add the complete set of identifiers to their items.
Number of IDs in source4545
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation[edit]

There are over 22 million catalog records in the US National Archives catalog, but just 568 of them describe a record group (Q59294700) and 4545 describe a collection (Q59294612). These are the top-level record groupings to which all the other records in the catalog belong (as either children, children of children, or children of children of children). Because of their significance, they all have their own identifiers, separate from the general US National Archives Identifier (P1225) (which is used for all entities in the catalog, including descriptions, authorities, and terms), so that they can also be listed and identified within their own set.

The record group number is a set of sequential integers from 1 to 568 that represent the order in which they were established (more here). I have recently created items for all of these record groups, but have been unable to add their actual numbers to those items yet. The collection identifier is an alphanumeric string (sometimes with hyphens or spaces in it), which, similarly, represent the top-level groupings. I am also going to add all collection descriptions to Wikidata and would similarly like them to use NARA collection identifiers.

A record group is a grouping of records with a shared provenance (in practice, based on the US federal agency the records come from), while a collection is an artificial grouping based on some other shared characteristic (generally, these are donated or presidential materials). I am combining these two proposals because they are very similar concepts, just two different NARA identifier sets. Dominic (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment@Dominic: Please make examples links David (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support both. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question @Multichill: Is the first one different from the ones we deleted some time ago (see Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2016/Properties/1#P1223)? Unfortunately, property talk pages of these were deleted, so it's hard to tell what they were about. --- Jura 10:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • More info at User_talk:Dominic#NARA_properties. Names of the old properties: NARA person ID (P1222), NARA organization ID (P1223), NARA geographic ID (P1224) & NARA specific records type ID (P1226). Multichill (talk) 10:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • NARA used to have many different catalog identifiers (for different types of authorities as well as the descriptions), but these were all unified into a single set. This is different from the ones being proposed here, which are used independently of (and predate) the catalog system. Dominic (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Are the numbers of the first identifier proposed above included in US National Archives Identifier (P1225) or one of the deleted properties? --- Jura 14:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: No, these identifiers are unrelated. If you look at the NARA catalog record for the first example, you will see that it has both a NAID (P1225), which is also in the catalog URL, and a record group number. The record group number is a separate identifier which is used only to identify and designate the order of the record groups. the other deleted properties you are talking about were just from when the multiple catalog identifiers were merged into one unique ID. Dominic (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Ok. --- Jura 09:29, 15 December 2018 (UTC)