User talk:Xaris333

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Have you thought about proposing a property, linking to a tabular data set, to store these rankings? (809kb for an item about a national football team seems very overkill.) Mahir256 (talk) 00:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't know anything about Tabular Data :) Xaris333 (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
I strongly suggest you migrate all of this ranking information to tabular form. 1.3MB for an item about a single football team is absolutely unreasonable. I have linked to the documentation for tabular data sets in my previous comment, and there is precedent for creating properties to store tabular versions of existing properties, so I suggest that you propose such a property and move this information to respective tabular data sets for each football team once said property is created. Mahir256 (talk) 05:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
As I have said, I don't know anything about Tabular Data. I can't understand what is it. Xaris333 (talk) 08:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
@Yurik:, since you developed the documentation to which I linked earlier, and @S-1-5-7, ArthurPSmith, Pasleim, Yair rand, Jura1, ChristianKl:, as participants in the proposal of tabular population (P4179). Mahir256 (talk) 02:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
We could have a separate property for "tabular ranking", which would store large groups of rankings in data set files on Commons, linked to using the new property. --Yair rand (talk) 04:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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Sport ontology[edit]

Hi, I try to create a sports season of a sports club item (now working in 2016–17 Club Joventut Badalona season (Q41991697)), but I did not found any case (full of information, of course) to use as a reference. I see you created a lot of sports season (as 2018–19 Cypriot Second Division (Q52124857) or 1978-79 Cypriot Cup (Q28945). Some questions:

  1. Do you have (or know) any sports season of a sports club item ?
    1. If not, What should by its properties structure, in your experience
  2. For the sport season items, where should the teams results (points, goals, position, etc.) be informed ?
    1. As a qualifiers of the participants teams ?
    2. As a properties in the sports season of a sports club item ?
  3. The sport season items are related with a league or a champioship. However, an sports club can play in several leagues (National league and Champions league, for instance). What should be the ontology in this situation.

Well, any help will be appreciated. Thanks, --Amadalvarez (talk) 21:41, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


@Amadalvarez: hello! Sorry for the delay.

  1. I don't know about sports season of a sports club item.
  2. For the sport season item see 2016–17 Cypriot First Division (Q23756432) (participating team (P1923).
  3. I have not understood the last question. An example?

Xaris333 (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Xaris333: Thanks so much for your answer. Regarding the 3th question:

Thanks, again. Amadalvarez (talk) 07:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Xaris333: In addition to your pending answer, I have a [related] new topic to you: Under which property of "sports club (Q847017)" would you list its items of "sports season of a sports club (Q1539532)"?.
Following the example of Cypriot First Division (Q155965) and its sports season (Q27020041), the property should be has part (P527), however, the season summaries are not exactly "a part of" in the case of a club. What about history of topic (P2184) ?. I definitely do not consider sports season of league or competition (P3450) in this case. Probably we should need a new property similar to a exhibition history (P608), a kind of record of results. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Came here via Wikidata:Project chat#Sport ontology. First of all some queries for items that are instance of sports season of a sports club (Q1539532), of which we have ~58000:

Unfortunately there is no natural candidate property to link to the competition at which the team competed in that season, and no property to link to the club as well, as I see it. Maybe league (P118) can be broadened in scope, but new properties would be really helpful here. Once it is clear how competitions and club/team are going to be linked, everything else can be negotiated. What do both of you think? —MisterSynergy (talk) 17:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Now I just give it a try and proposed:
Comments are welcomed, of course. —MisterSynergy (talk) 06:07, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Amadalvarez: do the proposed properties are going to solve the problem? Xaris333 (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Sport uniform[edit]

Hi, here again. I see you and @Pasleim: created the first item of sport uniform. Is it the structure to use for this topic ?. I try to transform the template that build the image (football kit) that are almost commons in all WPs and is very difficult to handle this structure.

  • Do you think we have to keep the same logic of image construction created 15 years ago when the limitations were others?
  • The designs of uniforms are becoming more complex and require having their own image (especially for the "body"). If we need to have a specific image for the body, would it not be easier to have it for the entire kit, instead?
  • In addition, under the wears (P3828) of the team item, we'll have directly the image without need 3 new items with a new structure to handle.
  • for plain colors uniform, the images with common colors will be use in all teams with this combination.

I understant this require a discussion and, if you consider this is not the best place, can move it wherever you want. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 05:24, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting info.svg Info There was Wikidata:Property proposal/Home kit (football) (not done) and subsequently Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2017/12#Football kit. —MisterSynergy (talk) 06:12, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Amadalvarez: as MisterSynergy said, there were discussions about sport uniform. Please read them and if you have a different idea, propose something to project chat. Xaris333 (talk) 07:24, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Sports gap[edit]

Hi Xaris333, as you are editing in the field, you might have noticed Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Sports#A_"How?"-gap_?. In the meantime, I followed-up with Wikidata:Property proposal/Wikipedia glossary entry. In case you are interested.
--- Jura 17:40, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

I haven't understood what is going on. :) What the problem is and the solution of it. Xaris333 (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

  • I don't think we have many items about the different technical aspects of practicing a sport, such as those described in w:Glossary_of_association_football_terms. We can easily make items for many concepts in Wikidata, but it would be good to have some description of these concepts. The property proposal provides a way to link to the entries in the glossaries. (A few alternatives are discussed, some of the better ones unfortunately can't be implemented, e.g. import the glossary or use sitelinks).
    --- Jura 15:55, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I rsponded to your comment there. Finally, what's your opinion about it? Do you support it or propose an alternate solution? Do you think the use case is one needing addressing?
    --- Jura 13:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)