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identity of object in context
qualifier to specify the identity that applies to a statement when the object of the statement has another identity covered by another item

Data type	Item
Example	Chinese Taipei at the 2016 Summer Olympics (Q18204509) → Chinese Taipei (Q216923) Helmut Kalex (Q1603729) → Promotion B (Q15841081) 1947 BAA World Championship Series (Q3072443) → Philadelphia Warriors (Q18691677)
<complementary property>	identity of subject in context (P4649)
See also	object has role (P3831), applies to part (P518), subject named as (P1810), object named as (P1932)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P4626 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 5,084 Qualifier 5,080 >99.9% of uses Reference 4 <0.1% of uses
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Scope is as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4626#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Identity of object vs part of object

@Nikki, @ArthurPSmith, @Jheald, @Valentina.Anitnelav, @Kolja21, @Deryck Chan, @Swpb, @ChristianKl (as active participants in earlier discussion of the properties mentioned): I have made a statement L312484-S1location of sense usage (P6084)England (Q21)identity of object in context (P4626)southern part (Q112265589) to indicate where (geographically) a particular sense of turnip (L312484) is in use.

I first tried applies to part (P518), but as the discussion at Property talk:P518#Part of subject, or part of object ? resulted in "part" being interpreted as referring to the subject only (it's not the "southern part" of the sense, whatever that means, that is common in all of England, but the entire sense that is common in the southern part of England), I picked out identity of object in context (P4626) as the most appropriate replacement qualifier among those being suggested. As a bonus, in contrast to applies to part (P518) it didn't result in any constraint violations.

However, I'm concerned "identity of object" doesn't quite describe the relation between all of England (the object) and its southern part (here its "identity"), when the statement (or the sense, or the lexeme) makes up the context. I just feel that both object has role (P3831) and applies to name of object (P8338) would be worse in that regard. Any comments on this? SM5POR (talk) 20:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, southern part is not the same entity as England and thus this property doesn't work for you use-case and just wrong. L312484-S1location of sense usage (P6084)Southern England (Q1134643) would be much better for this example. I see no good reason for using qualifiers here. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:13, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I actually wasn't aware Southern England (Q1134643) was a "thing", and while its exact boundary maybe doesn't coincide with the linguistic border, the latter is inherently fuzzy anyway, so it's no worse than southern part (Q112265589). I have adjusted my statements, and that resolves the matter for South Yorkshire (Q23095) and North East England (Q47983) too.

This leaves "most Commonwealth countries", but I changed it to L312484-S1location of sense usage (P6084)Commonwealth of Nations (Q7785)nature of statement (P5102)mainly (Q91013007) which will do for now even if it sounds a little off grammatically (it may suffer from the same problem as applies to part (P518) by referring to the subject sense rather than the geographic area).

The en:Turnip (terminology) article stands out a bit with this amount of detail for just a single word, which is why I tried to model it with a lexeme to find out which properties aren't sufficiently expressive. I don't expect a lot of these unless someone dumps a truckload of language usage data into Wikipedia. SM5POR (talk) 10:33, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't have any good answers... We specified identity of object in context (P4626) well before Senses became widely used. I think ChristianKl's solution will be fine. Deryck Chan (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)