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Welcome to Wikidata, Jasper Deng!

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Regards, --Ajraddatz (talk) 19:18, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for my signature[edit]

Sorry if my signature offended you. I understand that canvassing is very innapropiate.

I edit my signature and delete the maximum of link.

thanks for you're remark. --Jitrixis (talk) 02:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Interwikilinks vs. items[edit]

Hi Jasper, I'm new to Wikidata. What should I do with different items that are connected through an interwiki link? A historical society Q38750 is not the same as a yearbook Q38788 (deleted as "Duplicate: of Q38750"), published by this society. I think the best solution are two items or a kind of redirect. --87.189.121.229 02:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I've restored the deleted one. The two looked similar enough based on the German. Sorry! (by the way, you're encouraged to register).--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response! --Media watch (talk) 04:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Sparrows[edit]

Please note: Wikidata:Requests for deletions#Q30010. --Art-top (talk) 07:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

patrol right[edit]

I've thanked the wrong person, so thank you for asking on bugzilla! :)

Best regards — Arkanosis 11:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Empty item[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out, must have made it by mistake somehow. I think i't because I pressed the Enter key twice by accident while I was typing a description. I've filled the item with something else now. Thanks again for pointing it out. Delsion23 (talk) 23:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I have thus declined the request for its deletion at WD:RFD.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Q49907[edit]

Hi Jasper Deng, you have deleted Q49907 because you thought it is a duplicated entry with Q29416. It is not. See Wikidata:Forum#Ein Artikel, mehrere Personen (though in German) for details. Basicly Q29416 is about Alfons Kontarsky, Q49742 is about Aloys Kontarsky and Q49907 was about both of them, the siblings Alfons und Aloys Kontarsky. --Alex (talk) 10:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Restored. I'm not convinced we need an entry on both, though. This seems to vary based on Wikipedia language.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure either. I picked it up as an example where there is an article about a group of people in one language version, and one for each member in another one. There might be a lot of other cases alike (see e.g., en:Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Redirect to joint biography). And the problem might not be restricted to persons. --Alex (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know why some Wikipedias do articles on two things that are covered separately elsewhere, but this is indeed a problem, indeed not just restricted to persons.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, I guess that is due to something like a “language bias”. The English Wikipedia might be an exemption (as English serves as the lingua franca of our days), but even there Aloys and Alfons Kontarsky are perceived as a duet, not as single persons. This is (or at least might be) different to an audience that consists mainly of German speaking people. --Alex (talk) 19:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. The problem is that different entries on Wikidata can't share such an article. And I don't think that if we had a single entry on both, that we could link separate articles in one language.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, at least not at this stage of Wikidata. Someday it might be possible to get the data from Q49742 and Q29416 at Q49907 (or vice versa), so that there is some connection between these entries. --Alex (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Main Page protection[edit]

Fair enough I certainly won't contest you changing the protection, but prophylactic protection of the Main Page seems like a given to me. Thanks for the note. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:45, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Barack Obama[edit]

Sorry, didn't notice Barack Obama already existed. It didn't appear in the search results. 116.203.36.34 05:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Special:ItemDisambiguation helps, but the existing search function is indeed very horrible. No fault of yours.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrolling[edit]

Thanks. :)--Avocato (talk) 20:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

This is a little late but thank you for entrusting me with the autopatrolled user right. --J36miles (talk) 22:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Explain?[edit]

Hi Jasper--what did you mean by this edit? —Theopolisme 21:36, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

When a user is blocked and tries to submit a change to a data entry like changing a site link, a dialog box "Edit not allowed" appears. When "details" is clicked, the bare wikitext of that interface page, not the formatted message it's supposed to generate, is shown to the user. Without this edit, the first thing they'd see is the CSS/table markup, not the actual "You are currently unable to edit Wikidata" message.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying! —Theopolisme 11:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Admin confirmations[edit]

Hello! We are currently in the process of confirming all of the early admins, and you are scheduled to be confirmed between 2 - 6 February 2013. Please create an entry at Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013/3, and see Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013 for more details. Merci et bonne journée! Ajraddatz (Talk) 03:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Création d'une task force Chimie[edit]

Hello, Je voulais t'annoncer la création d'une task force dédiée à la chimie Wikidata:Chemistry task force. Snipre (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Merci!--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Cape Krustenstern[edit]

I appear to have borked what should be "Cape Krusenstern National Monument" (Q5280756). I moved it on en from its original cumbersome title of "Cape Krusenstern National Monument and Archeological District" (Q2937254)and didn't realize that the second title already existed here, created the first, so now we have two. I'm not autoconfirmed so I can't move it, and in any case the first title would need to be deleted first. Not being quite sure of how things work on WD myself (obviously), can you sort it out? Acroterion (talk) 21:18, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello. As for as I know, you don't need to be autoconfirmed to rename items, as we don't use page moving for them. One problem with Wikidata is that what's multiple articles on one wiki is a single article on another.
In this particular case, you can edit the title of the latter entry. Duplicate detection is sometimes hard, but Special:ItemDisambiguation and Special:ItemByTitle are helpful. I'm not sure of exactly what you'd like here (deletion of the first one, perhaps?), but what I'd do is delete Q5280756 and replace the link(s) at Q2937254. Cheers.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it appears that the one I created, Q5280756,should be the one that gets deleted, and then I'll edit Q2937254. I can't alter Q2937254 until Q5280756's gone - I get a conflict message. Acroterion (talk) 00:59, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Q5280756 has now been deleted, so everything should be OK now.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, much appreciated. Acroterion (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

Wikidata barnstar.svg The admin's barnstar
Congrats on passing 100 blocks! — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:53, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Talkback[edit]

Can you enable this template Template:Talkback for be translated? --Vivaelcelta (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look at doing that later today. You can also do it - follow the instructions at Template:Autotranslate.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

A question[edit]

Hi Jasper. We have this and this pages about the same article. When I try to add Turkish interwiki to the first one, it gives me an error. Is there a way to fix it?--Rapsar (talk) 10:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:Wikidata admin confirmations[edit]

Hi! Thanks for information. Now, I have a many work in my live, that, I had decrease my activity in all wikimedia projects to april. However, I will make every effort to comply with its obligation. Best regards, Karol007 talk 18:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

RE: Autopatrolled and rollbacker flag[edit]

Here's an explanation of the Serbian Wikipedia, I blocked under various charges for which there is not the slightest evidence. --Kolega2357 (talk) 20:29, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to seek others' comment on this before I make a final decision.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Serbian Wikipedia has nothing to do with Wikidata, This is completely irrelevant to what you're doing. --Kolega2357 (talk) 18:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

No. It factors into whether you can be trusted with any permissions.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
We have the right to consider your record on other WMF sites in our decision to grant you rights here. --Rschen7754 19:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

User page items[edit]

Why can not I be on the user pages on Wikidata? --Kolega2357 (talk) 23:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

It's subject of current discussion - see the project chat. The original consensus was that it would be of little/no benefit and that it's out of Wikidata's project scope.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


Commenting on talk page[edit]


image « Fair Use » suivre les règles WMF[edit]

Je ne comprends pas. C'est une préoccupation WMF, et non les Commons. Les Commons ne fait que suivre les règles WMF. Wikpedia en pouvez mettre en place « Fair Use » (avec un « Fair Use » justification pour chaque utilisation) parce que c'est la loi aux États-Unis, mais les Commons ne peut pas parce qu'il est dans le monde entier. WMF est très préoccupé par les violations du droit d'auteur. Toutes ces images sont Cover Art et sont sous copywright. WMF ne peut pas soutenir violoation droits d'auteur.Merci, Farrajak (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ces sont juste liens, pas utilisations, donc il n'est pas obligataire à mettre rationales.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:08, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

RequestDeletion[edit]

I don't see how this was controversial. It just gives every user (unregistered users included) the ability to tag items easiliy for quick deletion, like it is possible on every other WMF wiki with the {{delete}} template. This is normally standard. Any admin/registered user who dislikes having the RequestDeletion link in his toolbar can still easily opt-out via his preferences. Regards, Vogone talk 04:43, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I would be fine if it were off for admins by default. That's the main reason why I reverted you. A second reason was that I also didn't know why you did that because of your lack of an edit summary.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, the thing with the lack of an edit summary was indeed my fault. I'll document my changes better, next time. Greetings, Vogone talk 15:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Properties for review[edit]

I saw that you contribute to the chemistry task force. Do you have time to look at Crystal habit, Twinning, Fracture and Cleavage? (link) --Tobias1984 (talk) 17:15, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not that advanced.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk page reverting[edit]

Hi Jasper,

Please avoid reverting other users comments on your talk page. This is unfriendly and makes your warnings on other users talk pages appear some sort of retaliation and suggesting misuse of your admin privileges. --  Docu  at 20:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I can remove comments from my own talk page as I wish. Yes, it may be unfriendly, but I'm not interested in comments like the one you posted.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:00, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Ahh .. and then you complain about other users not listening to you .. --  Docu  at 21:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
That's not plural users, that's singular user - the discussion is about your conduct, not mine.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Aristomenis12[edit]

Hi

You posted another warning to this user's talk page. Why not indefblock? You've probably seen that he/she made strange edits before, this is one more strange edit. I'd think it enough for a block. --Michgrig (talk) 06:24, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

The goal of a block is to stop disruption. If a warning accomplishes that, as it seems to have here, a block is not necessary.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC on Wikidata's primary sorting property[edit]

You recently participated in a deletion discussion for P107 - main type (GND). The discussion has been closed, as it is clear that a resolution won't come from PfD, and an RfC has been opened on the matter at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Primary sorting property. You are invited to participate there. Please note that this is a mass delivered message, and that I will not see any replies you leave on this page.

Yours, Sven Manguard Wha? 18:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

RfP Micru[edit]

A month has passed and he has done some more reviews. What do you think? Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Other_rights#Micru. --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I would say if (s)he wants the right, (s)he should open a new request, as when a {{not done}} is placed, the decision for that request is usually final.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello![edit]

Hello Jasper, I decided to join the data wiki, and I must say I really like the place! Im a bt concerned with my edits, I haven't had anyone comment about what I do and how I work, is there something I'm not doing or am I causing more harm than good? Hope to hear from you when you are free. Thanks! --Prabash (talk) 00:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

A quick glance shows that they are probably fine, and I've assigned you autopatrolled. However, keep in mind that descriptions are more like dictionary definitions, and thus you generally only specify the "thing" a particular item is (for example, an American national park is simply described as a "United States national park"). Best of luck!--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:57, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Oh ok so we do not go in detail with the description, I'll hop back and simplify the descriptions into a more dictionary like format. thanks for the help Jasper, really appreciate it! --Prabash (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Hi Jasper Deng,

I saw that you are a sysop here and had some questions about my entries. First thing is, am I doing a good job/are they helping? I want to make sure that my contributions are helping. If you could tell me how I am doing or what must be changed, feel free to. Best. WorldTraveller101 (talk) 18:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I can't really check your foreign-language contributions - remember to keep in mind TCN7JM's advice on your talk page.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that was a slight, minor mix up that was easily fixed, albeit I sight necessity for the expression of caution. Happy editing. WorldTraveller101 (talk) 21:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Flood flag, again[edit]

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Hello, Jasper Deng. You have new messages at Ricordisamoa's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Ricordisamoa 19:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

not vandalising[edit]

Hello. I wasn't vandalising, I was fixing incorrect links between different language wikipedias (rep by pop and representation are two different things, as well there was a link to the romanian article on proportional representation which is once again a wholly different subject). Rather silly accusation, I don't see who would vandalise such a specific page on this Wiki. Please undo your revert, thanks.--74.15.187.152 04:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, usually mass-removal of links is construed to be vandalism. However, I have removed only two links because the rest appear to be related.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Right, my bad, I only should have deleted those two. Cheers, Methegreat on wikipedia fr & en. --74.15.187.152 04:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Autopatroller Request[edit]

Hi Jasper. I am here to ask if you can give me the autopatroller user right here. I would need the autopatroller user right as I would want my edits to be autopatrolled when I revert off new editors removing sitelinks. I have been here for a while. I hope that you would grant me the autopatroller user right here. I have it on Commons. Thanks. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 06:49, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, autopatrolled was very recently phased out. You should be autopatrolled already though, because you're autoconfirmed.--Jasper Deng (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
I actually saw that requesting for the autopatroller user right was removed from Wikidata:Requests for permissions, so I asked here instead. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 10:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
That's because it was phased out - i.e., unavailable now.--Jasper Deng (talk) 11:43, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Contributions seem good. I have given you 'confirmed' as the step in which gives autpatrolled rights as well as allowing the rights of an autoconfirmed user. John F. Lewis (talk) 22:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
I won't fuss over it, but because he's autoconfirmed (first edit over a month ago, over 80 edits), I think that's redundant.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Do you think I am fit for the rollback right? I have made a lot of reverts using 'restore' and I know how Wikidata works. I find that the restore button have a glitch. When I try to revert some edits, an error message comes out. So I think I might get the rollback right. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 04:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to see more counter-vandalism activity here first.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:53, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Like until how much? 200 or 300? I have 100+ now. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 06:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm more concerned about how much time you've spent here on countervandalism - tomorrow is probably good enough.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I have did a lot of valid reverts yesterday and today. Can you give me the rollback right? Or should I ask at WD:RFOR? Jianhui67 talkcontribs 03:31, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
It's done. It may be quicker to request it at RFOR next time.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

93.115.94.85[edit]

Thanks for blocking them. I was watching their edits, but it looks like you got to it first. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 02:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't hesitate to block spambots of this kind. See Special:AbuseFilter/5.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:History[edit]

Hello! I just found Template:Purge for MediaWiki action=purge and created Template:History for MediaWiki action=history. Please semi-protect the template, add the required .css class historylink if not already available. I am a newbie here. Maybe you can create / review and semi-protect the required Template:History/doc based on Template:Purge/doc (which needs to be created first) as well. Thanks in advance! @לערי_ריינהאר

לערי ריינהארט (talk) 08:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Plesase note the existence of Template:Property/doc and Template:P/doc versus Template:Q/doc. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 08:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Where can I get the CSS code?--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilter/5[edit]

Why did you make this modification to the abuse filter? The xzork.com site has been used by several vandals so far, see [1], [2], [3], and [4]. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 00:26, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Your regex syntax was incorrect. \b means word separation, because \ followed by a letter is special.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Rezabot[edit]

You can probably Nuke all items this bot created.--GZWDer (talk) 06:02, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to wait for an all-clear because this will involve the deletion of a large amount of items, which could cause a problem with the database.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:04, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'm doing it gradually.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:18, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
There are so many to delete, I won't proceed beyond this point because I fear that it might cause irrepairable damage to the database. I will wait for more comments or let others do it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

unblock[edit]

Hi, please unblock Rezabot. It works on many local wikis and this blocking will cause many problems in local wikis.

now importing that templates are stopped and we can talk about them. yoursYamaha5 (talk) 06:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
As I know template subpages which are not Wikidata:Notability means /doc pages not independent subpages which can have interwiki. these subpages should have interwiki because users can develop or review them by interwiki also in
  • Request for comment: Inclusion of non-article pages
  • Request for comment: Inclusion of non-article pages 2
  • Request for comment: Exclusion of pages in the file namespace

I didn't see any comment for these kind subpagesYamaha5 (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

That's what the policy says though. It does not restrict the prohibition to just /doc subpages. I do need confirmation from the bot operator (Reza1615) before I can unblock it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I am bot operator :) please see fa:user:yamaha5 and here. I changed my username because of some personal problems Yamaha5 (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Unblocked.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks I left a topic in the Wikidata:Project chat . please leave a comment thereYamaha5 (talk) 07:32, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

link does not show up[edit]

Hi Jasper. I randomly clicked on your talk page for help. The article w:Asphalt shingle does not show an interlanguage link to it's German counterpart Preolitschindel so I went to add the link. However, I get the error message "Site link Preolitschindel is already used by item Q2108753...". How can I get the link to show up? Thanks. Jim Derby (talk) 03:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

You are possibly dealing with duplicate items. I would have to see the items in detail to make further comment.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:03, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I made the article names above into links. Could you look at this problem? Thanks. Jim Derby (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
It does not seem that Q2108753 is a match for the German term you propose here, based on a Google Translate of the German.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:08, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
I click on the Q2108753 link and it goes to a page listing preolitschindel, I do not understand your last entry.Jim Derby (talk) 01:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I meant that Q2108753 does not match the item on asphalt shingles.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

ELO rating (P1087)[edit]

Just created ELO rating (P1087). --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Request for feedback on my GSoC'14 proposal[edit]

Hi Jasper Deng,

I am planning to work on the project titled "Tools for mass migration of legacy translated wiki content" this summer under Google Summer of Code. I have drafted a proposal for the same over the past few weeks. This project is going to help the translation adminstrators like you in a great way, as it would completely automate the tedious manual task of preparing a page for translation and then importing the translations into the Translate extension. You can check the proposal page for detailed information on how I plan to accomplish this.

As you would be an end user of this tool, it would be great if you could go through the proposal and provide feedback/suggestions. Your feedback would definitely help me improve the proposal as well help in creating an even better tool. You can do the same on the discussion page of the proposal or reply here, whichever is convenient for you. I look forward to hearing from you! Thank you!

P.S: I need to submit the proposal to Google by March 19, 2014.

BPositive (talk) 13:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I usually don't do translation administrator work, sorry.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Jesmion (talkcontribslogs)[edit]

Just to let you know, he continued his disruptive behaviour today despite promising to behave, so I've reinstated the original block. ElfjeTwaalfje (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Q15136093[edit]


Thanks for the heads-up[edit]

Looks like I'll be missing my activity deadline. I told myself I'd do the handful of required actions to keep the bits, but I've been sick this past week (better now!) and suddenly have a load of things to do. Maybe I'll find the time in the next few hours (not sure what the details of the policy are), maybe I won't. On verra.

More importantly: I'm sorry for sorta disappearing in a fuss way back. Wikimedia had been a stresser for me almost since I started using it, as I think I mentioned on occasion, and I guess, y'know, I took some time off and "some time" became six months eventually.

I feel like a jerk for ditching all you guys without any real good-bye, after y'all had been a pretty big part of my life for the better part of a year. If it makes it any better, I justified it to myself by saying I needed to put myself first so I could move on with my life, and I'm... kind of doing that now? I mean it's too soon to say I've accomplished anything, but I'm backpacking through Europe right now, having a pretty good time. Then at the end of July I'm gonna go study Hebrew for a couple months... Hey, who knows, maybe I'll be back on the wikis to improve my language skills. So, it's progress at least. I'm still not in school or anything, but it's a whole lot better than laying in bed all day editing articles and items (fun as it was).

And it's nice. I spent months telling myself I'd get off my ass and do something, I left this place tangentially to that, and hey, now I've actually done it! Or at least started to do it. It feels nice to follow through on a goal.

That still doesn't excuse my unceremonious departure, but I hope it provides some explanation.

So really, thanks for the desysop heads-up. You're a good friend, Jasper, and I hope I'll have a chance to work with you again in the future. Same goes for tons of other people on here... I'd give echo pings, but I'd leave someone out by accident, and then I'd feel bad; but I'm sure everyone who's anyone is stalking this page as it is. My apology obviously extends to the rest of you as well.

Let me know how you're doing! You can email me at tom@tomkel.ly if you want. (Same goes for the rest of y'all.) And if you take six months to respond to this, I suppose that's only fair. Face-wink.svg Heh, I'm the one who created the redirect for that template here

— PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@PinkAmpersand: you still have about 25 hours, all it would take would be 10 RfDs (for example). Also, in case you're going to be there, I will be at Wikimania 2014 in London.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@PinkAmpersand: actually only 8 RfDs, you have 2 MediaWiki-space edits on 1 January. --Rschen7754 08:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

RFC[edit]

Hi Jasper, thanks for the effort in creating the RFC on user conduct. Its sheer length already shows how much you care about a good working community. Unfortunately that is not the way to make everyone feel more integrated and to collaborate better, quite the opposite as Gerard and me pointed out in the talk page. Sorry if the language was harsh, but we should not repeat the painful errors that arose in wikipedia and that displeased so many people for so long.

I have suggested on the project chat to start a "tea house", which might avoid problems by taking newcomers by the hand and mentor them. I would appreciate that you would take some time to imagine from the perspective of a newcomer what are the possible outcomes of each path, and perhaps you want to consider testing a teahouse project before establishing new rules?

It will take weight out of your shoulders, and your task as an admin will be more free than ever. I understand that sometimes it is hard to make decisions, but by having non-hatred and empathy as the rule, all your decisions can only be great! :) --Micru (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@Micru, GerardM: I respectfully disagree, because the conflict tends to be among experienced editors of the wiki.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:25, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, while I respect your effort in starting it, I'm not sure that the current format is manageable. I do think that the use of Widar to make automated edits needs to be examined, more urgently. --Rschen7754 21:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

This day has gone pretty quickly for me (I was busy throughout much of it), so I will finally make a full statement on this.

My opinion is that while guidelines are preferable over policies, they haven't worked for us. You already know that.

Now why did I start such a large RfC? Because, I felt like a major program needed a major overhaul. However, I do admit that this should've instead been done in three or four separate RfC's at the very least. But I won't accept that such an RfC is not necessary. When drafting the proposal, I predicted every single response to it: "too much bureaucracy, too much confusion". My response to that is that this RfC requires the full participation of the community, including actively revising policies when they become inadequate. Most problematic policies I've seen on Wikipedia (in terms of controversy over them) have not been overhauled for more than half the age of the wiki. Yes, getting consensus to change it becomes hard, but on the other hand, I've found that inertia can be avoided here. I truly believe that our community is a dynamic one capable of that. I would not start an RfC with the intent of setting anything in stone.

Now, what I ask for my critics is to remember that I am human and to assume good faith with my actions. Therefore, @GerardM: I do not appreciate calling it a "power play". I also ask that any criticism of the existing proposals be met by not only comments against the proposals, but by new proposals on the same page, in order for the community to be able to choose from as widely of a range of choices as possible. @Micru: I do not want to end this without saying that I do thank you for your civility on this. I just do not think that the notion that facilities for new users have to be mutually exclusive with this is valid.

We learn from my mistakes. I'm already learning from this one. But since this is an RfC that already has been started, I can no longer halt it.

Thank you.--Jasper Deng (talk) 10:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Given that communication is very much something we do not want to get involved in, how do you want me to express how this RfC comes across. I understand that you do not like that this is called a power play but how do I get that message across to you? You ask for comments, you get comments and it is not mandatory that you like them all.
The notion that you have set something on its way and "cannot stop it" is because ? So all the negative fallout is fine because it was started ?? Thanks, GerardM (talk) 10:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@GerardM: Sigh. You really should choose your words better in the future, because I'm less inclined to be convinced by incivil comments like that one - that you think such comments are more effective than civil comments like Micru's is the specific problem I have with them. I specifically opposed your request for administrator access here for that aspect of your commenting style.
I try to be nice by not pointing fingers at you. It's really hard to continue doing so when you point your finger at me this much. You haven't said a single constructive thing regarding the RfC, i.e. you haven't accepted that the RfC is going to happen and that the best thing to do is what I intended the RfC's structure for - molding its options and form as the community sees fit. If you think your idea is better, you should propose it instead of bashing me out of my own idea.
Just because I requested comments doesn't mean I can't request that they be civil and non-combative.--Jasper Deng (talk) 10:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey, guys, calm here. Let's discuss it in the public chat and let's also talk about what are the participation requirements for such an important policy to be passed or not.--Micru (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

FideID[edit]

Hello, You participiated in the discussion of the property ELO rating (P1087), so you might be interested to know that there now is a proposal for a property of a related topic: FideID. It is discussed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person#FideID. Regards, Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 04:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania 2014[edit]

Hello

Probably we meet (also with GerardM standing next to us) on Wikimania2014. (my image). If it was you - You were not sure that I am admin. So you can see that I am :).

I hope that you have good time on Wikimania. PMG (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

@PMG: Yep I did, and I do clearly recall seeing you!--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Təşəkkür[edit]

Salam. Vikidata idarəçiliyinə namizəd olduğum səsvermədə iştirak etdiyiniz üçün Sizə təşəkkür edirəm. Hörmətlə, --►Cekli829 06:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)