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Well, looks like I'm back. Still a bit grumpy about how some things went, and I'm not spending as much time here (or anywhere on Wikimedia) as I did before, but I still love this project, and want to help contribute to it. I'm always (happily) startled by how fast things change here, so I'm gonna ease myself back in, lest I violate some policy I've never noticed before.

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Hi [edit]

Look! Pink section edit links! Also, plz come back :x Legoktm (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

+1 --Rschen7754 20:33, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
In case you were wondering, the community isn't and hasn't asked you to resign yet. Don't get the impression that it did. All that was said was something for future reference. It's nothing to feel bad about.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Jasper, I stand by everything I did. The way I see it, you've walked the line between bold changes and wheel-warring far more often than I have, and I dare say you've crossed it on occasion. I'd love to come back, but I don't know how comfortable I'd be working alongside admins who'd happily see this project turned into a bureaucracy where paranoia takes precedence over the rights of non-admins.
I'm sorry if I sound crabby, but I don't take well to being condescended to.
@Legoktm: Add that to common.css and we'll talkFace-wink.svg <3 — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 17:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I think you just need to sleep on this issue. I'd actually be OK with your actions (it's not something to argue over, apologies for that), but sometimes it's a question of process - the norms Rschen7754 follow are long-standing Wikimedia norms that tenured admins like him are used to. However, you and I would both benefit from not discussing this issue anymore. No-one's been complaining about your actions ever since the first few days after you quit. I could say more about this issue, but you and I both know the project would not benefit from me saying it. Take this as an olive branch offer.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I've slept on it for almost two weeks now, Jasper. I'm still concerned that you and Rschen severely overreacted to some very rudimentary trolling. If that's going to be a recurring issue, I'd just as well not have to re-hash this debate the next time someone writes GNAA. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 18:26, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
There are a lot of admin actions I disagree with, Pink. The issue I had with you actually was not your revisiondelete, but your out-of-process revert of Rschen. That I made such a big deal out of it on IRC was because of your adamant refusal to respect Wikimedia admin norms. It is fine to have a view on an admin action. What's not fine, and what I don't want to see again, is reverting another admin's action without prior discussion with that admin. If you can agree on that point at the very least, the revisiondelete itself is not an issue.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Jasper, there have been days where you've criticized me for every other action I've taken. Hell, you cautioned me on "contributing to the notion that admin tools are toys" when I tacked some dumb note on after a {{Done}}. And you always use this sanctimonious tone, like I don't know what I'm doing, and can't weild a mop without you holding my hand. And yet when you do something dumb, like that time you full-create-protected a page I'd chosen to only semi, and did it by transcluding it to a cascade-protected page in your userspace, so that I wouldn't have even noticed if you hadn't mentioned it... then that's a perfectly innocent mistake. And actually, it is. I don't resent you for the times you've reverted by administrative actions. Often you've been right. But you have this total disconnect, where you think it's okay for you to do it, but see fit to lecture me when I do it. And I've always been a nice enough guy to not tell you that you're being a condescending prick. You've never been able to take the hint that I really don't like being pinged every time you think of me, or every time you want to give me some advice on whatever I've just done with my tools. (Note that despite your ubiquitous insistances that "people aren't gonna like that", or whatever, you seem to always be the only one who has a problem with what I do.)
Incidentally, the only reason I didn't discuss it at the time was that you two were in full-on "we brave sysops are the only thing preventing total chaos" mode, and were completely refusing to listen to reason. I mean, a campaign of full protections over a non-autoconfirmed user vandalizing?! I consider that far more reckless than any simple reversion. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I really don't have much more to add to this conversation, except that I follow Wikimedia norms on all sites that I hold sysop on. If you disagree with that, you are welcome to file a request for desysop for me at Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Removal. And really, this whole thing seems a bit silly to be taking a principled stand over. --Rschen7754 19:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I also am reminded of a similar situation years ago, and I find Scott5114's words applicable here: w:en:User talk:Rschen7754/Wikistatus. While we obviously disagree, it's not intended to be personal. --Rschen7754 20:04, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Sigh. A good point. Like Scalia and Ginsburg. :) Yeah, I... I won't deny I was in a bad mood at the time. I think I'll still stay away from IRC for a while, but... yeah. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 20:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Oh, crumbs[edit]

Aidez-moi, TP&. I'm really struggling here.Shirt58 (talk) 12:49, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Semiprotection of Template:MainPageLanguages[edit]

I'm concerned with your downgrading the protection of this template, considering that consensus at AN a few weeks ago was to leave this fullprotected. Would you mind either reversing your protection or starting a discussion at AN regarding this? --Rschen7754 21:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Huh? Consensus was that the Main Page should only be semi'd, so I assumed that would extend to all subpages. Did I miss a discussion holding that MainPageLanguages was an exception? If so, could you please point me to it? Thanks. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Not exactly, some comments at Wikidata talk:Main Page for example indicated a willingness to leave that template fullprotected.
What concerns me more, however, is your pattern of undoing other admins' actions without consulting with them and with the community. --Rschen7754 21:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Rschen, I'm reading through WT:MP and I still can't find anything related to this. If you can show me anything about this, I'll happily self-revert, but otherwise I think that the community's opinion is already clear on this, in the form of the AN consensus. I just assumed that we'd forgotten to reduce the protection on that page when we un-FPP'd the others. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Can you please point to me where the consensus is in favor of semiprotecting all related templates? It's ambiguous at best. Also, can you please respond to my second point? --Rschen7754 21:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
You're the one who brought it back down to semi- for the Main Page, so I assumed you'd agree that that's what the consensus was. If you think it was ambiguous, I struggle to see why you would have changed it back. As for wheel-warring, as I said, I think the community's already been clear on this issue, so I see myself as just completing the implementation of that consensus. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 22:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
  • May I ask that we all (the three of us) stop bickering about each others' actions? It is occurring to me that the three of us can't really get along in terms of admin actions lately.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Mineo[edit]

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Re: Incorrect change[edit]

BetaBot update the sitelink of page moved; in this case see the movelog. Q6742291 was incorrect also before the bot's edit. --β16 - (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, that explains it. Sorry, should've checked that myself. Thanks. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 09:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks[edit]

I was going to change it, but I got distracted and you beat me to it.[1] Face-wink.svg The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 02:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Edit War[edit]

Hey PinkAmpersand, hate to take the victory from you but you dealt with the second edit war :) John F. Lewis (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Awww. :( Well, let's hope this doesn't turn into something big. I'd hate to have to start blocking good content creators. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 11:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I ended up to fully protecting two items for a month. John F. Lewis (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, Eastern Europe/Balkans stuff is a nightmare. Sounds like protection was a good call. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 12:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Reminder[edit]

Please avoid changing descriptions of properties, you intend to nominate for deletion. --  Docu  at 20:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

What??? First of all, there's never been any consensus against putting "nominated for deletion" warnings in properties. Secondly, that edit is three months old. (I can only assume you've spent the past few minutes scrolling through my contribs to the Property: namespace.) Thirdly, I reverted that edit three minutes later. Fourthly, and most importantly, I was actually going to leave you alone, as you requested, since I respect users' rights to kick people off their talkpage. However, I think you forfeited that right when you chose to came here and engage in behavior that borders on trolling. I strongly encourage you to take some time off of editing, before I or one of my fellow admins revokes your privileges to do so. And no, before you say anything, your finding some months-old edit of mine to complain about doesn't suddenly make me involved as an admin. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 20:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Your edit to my user page[edit]

Nah, I didn't mind. You're probably not the only one who was experiencing that problem. It's just nice to know that people actually look at the thing. Face-smile.svg TCN7JM 22:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, glad to be of service. :) Btw, were you trying to make the "User:" not show up in the DISPLAYTITLE? I think I can do that for you, if you want. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 22:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I was. If you could do that, that'd be awesome. TCN7JM 23:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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