Wikidata:Property proposal/usage example

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usage example[edit]

usage example[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Done. usage example (P5831) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionexample of how a lexeme might be used
Representsexample (Q14944328)
Data typeMonolingual text
Domainlexeme
Example 1kindly (L16097) → He was kindly 'Uncle Walt', the amiable old man all American children loved like a member of their own family. (English)
Example 2mieszkaniec (L13356) → Ten człowiek jest mieszkańcem Warszawy. (Polish)
Example 3Wiktionary (L3402) → Two automatic systems provide links for the content pages of Wiktionaries. (English)

demonstrates form[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Description(qualifier) the form of a lexeme which is demonstrated by a usage example
Representsform (Q4423888)
Data typeForm
Domainlexeme
Example 1kindly (L16097) → L16097-F1
Example 2mieszkaniec (L13356) → L13356-F5
Example 3Wiktionary (L3402) → L3402-F2

demonstrates sense[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   On hold
Description(qualifier) the sense of a lexeme which is demonstrated by a usage example
Data typeSense (not available yet)
Domainlexeme
Example 1kindly (L16097) → L16097-S1 (senses are not available yet so values are not real)
Example 2mieszkaniec (L13356) → L13356-S1
Example 3Wiktionary (L3402) → L3402-S1

Motivation[edit]

I found this set of properties created on test server by @Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE), Lucas Werkmeister: see 1, 2 and 3. There is example for this property here and here. I think this system of citation nicely connects forms and senses in examples. KaMan (talk) 10:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Symbol support vote.svg Support I've been wondering how we should handle supporting quotations - this approach makes sense to me, though I'd be open to other options too. I assume the idea is this would be a statement on the lexeme, with the mentioned qualifiers. The other approach would be to make it a statement on the sense (or the form?) - in which case I think the third property here would not be needed. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, IMHO this makes most sense on the lexeme (though I wasn’t sure of this at first). Each example features both a particular form and a particular sense, so putting the example on the sense feels asymmetrical to me. --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment to be honest, I’m not sure if this is data we actually want to collect or if usage examples belong on the individual Wiktionaries…? --Lucas Werkmeister (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Polish words at pl.wiktionary usually have examples, Polish words at en.wiktionary and others usually do not have examples. If examples of usage would be centralised on Wikidata then more wiktionaries could benefit. KaMan (talk) 16:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Sometimes the sample could refer to a specific spelling of a form (e.g. "en-gb" on visualize/visualise (L11), not "en"), so maybe a language qualifier is needed to. If it just relates to the capitalized form, maybe we should specify that too.
    --- Jura 07:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
    I agree, if you select form then all spellings of form are displayed see https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Lexeme%3AL123&type=revision&diff=737745674&oldid=728703222 but on the other hand I think we have language qualifiers already available like language of work or name (P407) or original language of work (P364). Perhaps we need additional property (qualifier) of general usage to point to language code applicable to all properties pointing to forms like derived from form (P5548). KaMan (talk) 08:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Wostr (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Peter Bowman (talk) 12:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support lets get it on! --Shisma (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question what do we need demonstrates form for? isn't it possible to add a usage example as a statement to a form rather then the lexeme? --Loominade (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
    No, because there can be always sentence which demonstrates more than one form at once, like Wiktionary and Wiktionaries in sentence "The purpose of this work is to discuss a new proposal based on two previous ones that have all been made regarding a possible support of Wiktionary through Wikidata via a provision of structured language data that can then be represented in the Wiktionaries." Of course we can choose sentences to avoid such situations, but there are well and widely known citations from books, moovies worth to quote with such cases. The same goes to senses, because one can argue that usage example should be in statement of sense. KaMan (talk) 10:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
    is it still valid to add the new statement to a form? @KaMan:--Loominade (talk) 08:13, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
    @Loominade: I suppose it is, but you have to consider that in the future it will be hard to prepare mechanism to share examples with Wiktionaries if they would be partially in lexeme level and partially in form level. For the same reason it will be also difficult to write queries once lexemes will be enabled in queries. KaMan (talk) 08:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
    @KaMan: now I understand that demonstrates form (P5830) is a direct reference to a form. Now it makes sense to me to use it only on the lexeme. --Loominade (talk) 10:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Peter Bowman, Wostr, KaMan, ArthurPSmith, Lucas Werkmeister, Jura1: @Shisma, Loominade: ✓ Done: usage example (P5831). − Pintoch (talk) 07:30, 14 September 2018 (UTC)