Wikidata:Property proposal/historic first

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historic first[edit]

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   Under discussion
Descriptionachievement or position held by subject as first of their social group
Representshistoric first (Q64510815)
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Wentworth Cheswell (Q7983013)elected office (Q17279032)
qualified with ethnic group (P172)=African Americans (Q49085), country of citizenship (P27)=United States of America (Q30)
Example 2Susanna M. Salter (Q3631124)mayor (Q30185)
qualified with sex or gender (P21)=female (Q6581072), country of citizenship (P27)=United States of America (Q30)
Example 3Karolina Widerström (Q4110625)physician (Q39631)
qualified with sex or gender (P21)=female (Q6581072), country of citizenship (P27)=Sweden (Q34)

Motivation[edit]

The idea is provide a way to model a historic first (Q64510815), especially firsts for historically underrepresented social groups. The property statement is placed on a human's item, the value is their achievement or position, and qualifiers are used to specify the social circumstances under which they count as a "first". Note that while the first female prime minister of a country would of course be queryable by other means, as all prime ministers are notable on Wikidata, the same is not at all true for physicians and similar.Pharos (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I approve of the basic idea wholeheartedly, but I don't see anything near an actually functional implementation in the proposal. this sort of complex description is just not really possible in the Wikidata model IMO. It's likely that creating items with instance of (P31) historic first (Q64510815) (e.g. something titled "first election of an African-American to public office in the United States"), and linking those to the people through significant event (P793) is a more efficient approach. Circeus (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Circeus, Pharos: I reformatted the samples a bit. Maybe it's a bit clearer now. I think they should be feasible. Supposedly, it could work also without any qualifier? Eve > historic first > female. --- Jura 13:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)