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Autodescription — Ed Gilbert (Q937954)
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Merge with Edmund Giesbert[edit]
As I sometimes do, today I hit the “Random item” link on Wikidata. Almost always I can find something I can improve, and almost always I learn some random fun fact that I usually forget within a few moments.
Today might be different. The link took me to Q14829494, the beetle species Linsleychroma monnei. The species didn’t have much information on it: it is a species, it had the genus, Linsleychroma. A link to the Encyclopedia of Life and the Global Biodiversity Information Facility. There were links to seven different Wikipedia language editions - the usual suspects for species, Cebuano, Indonesian, Waray-Waray, Minangkabau, Vietnamese, Dutch and Swedish. If you’re around on Wikidata you recognize this list as the language editions who have used bot created articles extensively.
The articles had hardly more information than Wikidata. Two of them had a sentence about the larvae being damaging to wood, some included that the species lives in Panama. They all listed the taxon author, Giesbert 1998, which was missing in Wikidata, so I thought, let’s add that to Wikidata. All I need is to find or create an item for Giesbert. Shouldn’t be too hard.
OK. A bit of Googling and the name of Giesbert seems to be Edmund F. Giesbert. Now there seems to be an actor that usually uses the name Ed Gilbert, but who might have been born as Edmund Giesbert. Probably just a coincidence. Although, English Wikipedia doesn’t say so anymore - that changed in just two months ago, when the user fixed the typos on this page and changed Giesbert to Gilbert. [1] I also reached out to the User:Raidohist, the editor who fixed the name difference.
But many other sources on the Web still claim that Gilbert’s name was Giesbert. Unfortunately, many of them seem to be copies from Wikipedia, and thus prone to citogenesis. IMDB doesn’t say Giesbert, but Gilbert, so do a few of the other sources. So maybe Wikipedia sourced that error?
Gilbert died in 1999 in Beverly Hills. Giesbert’s papers had no institution, but listed his private address - this happens rarely, for researchers without affiliation. Giesbert’s address? Beverly Hills. And then stumbled upon this obituary for Frank Hovore [2], mentioning that Frank’s old friend of thirty years, Edmund Giesbert, had died in 1999.
Are Gilbert and Giesbert the same person? Was the actor who voiced in a number of Disney’s shows and in Dallas and Knight Rider the same person describing Linsleychroma monnei and other bugs and beetles?
Wikidata also has a number of identifiers for Gilbert, including for the Library of Congress and VIAF - and finally, the Library of Congress seems to give the best clue: “Edmund F. Giesbert, educ. at the Univ. of Chicago; works in the film, TV and radio industries in Los Angeles, and pursues the study of Coleoptera (Cerambycidae) as a serious avocation.”
Based on that, I decided to merge the newly created Gilbert into the long-existing Giesbert. --Denny (talk) 21:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Found http://www.tv.com/people/ed-gilbert/biography/ which pretty clear states that Giesbert is an actor and biologist. --Pasleim (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you! I didn't find that one, that would have helped a lot! That was a rather unexpected trip :D --Denny (talk) 15:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- The source for that might be an autobiography: http://web.archive.org/web/20011031201152/http://members.aol.com/voactor2b/page2/index.htm
- Is his father "Edmund W. Giesbert (1893-1971)"?
--- Jura 16:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC) - Possibly, couldn't find any info on that. The source is great! --Denny (talk) 17:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- In the meantime, I found an obituary: it is. BTW, this report occasionally finds similar pairs, sometimes both with articles at the same Wikipedia. Even with a similar name, we can't always conclude that it's actually the same person.
--- Jura 12:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
- In the meantime, I found an obituary: it is. BTW, this report occasionally finds similar pairs, sometimes both with articles at the same Wikipedia. Even with a similar name, we can't always conclude that it's actually the same person.
- Thank you! I didn't find that one, that would have helped a lot! That was a rather unexpected trip :D --Denny (talk) 15:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- The Essig Museum of Entomology (Q18354014) has a list of his collections. --Succu (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)