Talk:Q349

Error messages

1. Failed to save the change
2. A length constraint is triggered for language code "ru".
3. There is a constraint violation for description "организованная ..." for language code "ru".

I'll try again after the next software update. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Found the reason for the error: The Russian description was too long.[1] --Kolja21 (talk) 03:18, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

It was not the reason to delete it. Infovarius (talk) 15:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

"activity, usually physical"

= human behavior (Q3769299) or = occupation (Q12737077)

I don't see clear-cut solution to possible problems with claims at these items.

@MisterSynergy: sport is not just activity (Q1914636) or occurrence (Q1190554) d1g (talk) 09:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I don’t understand your changes, frankly, and I totally support Andreasmperu's complaint about your edit behaviour. This item is classified as a subclass of activity for a very long time now, and you just walk past and try to give it a complete new definition in edit war mode without a preceding discussion. This is not acceptable. I will add a corresponding comment in the topic of the administrators' noticeboard later this day.

Sport, as it is used in Wikidata via this item, is not limited to human sport. There are for instance also a couple of cases that include animal sport. A value such as human behavior (Q3769299) is therefore not applicable at all. I have not seen anything which fits better than activity (Q1914636), tbh. —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

"try to give it a complete new definition"

@MisterSynergy: stop making false accusations immediately.

competitive physical activity

competitive организованная деятельность людей

competitive activité physique de récréation

I merely correct incorrect statements with respect to other items.

@MisterSynergy: stop discussion about me personally immediately. d1g (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Q39886602

How about this? --Fractaler (talk) 11:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Sports as an industry

@MisterSynergy: The addition of industry to sports is a reflection of current discussions on en.wiki about classification of people who work in sports but are not competitors (e.g. journalists, coaches etc) which are covered by Q5984861/Q50995749. I made this change due to the error current raised on Q50995749 which shows that sports is not recognised as a field of work. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the topic.

• According to the value-type constraint (Q21510865) of field of this occupation (P425), you would need an instance of (P31) claim in this item, while a subclass of (P279) claim does not help you at all.
• This item already subclasses activity (Q1914636), which would already be enough if it was used as value with instance of (P31). In the current setup, it should not do so.
• industrial sector (Q8148) is about making goods, which does not fit to this item. I understand that parts of sports have a strong economic background and this should somehow be reflected in this item, but industrial sector (Q8148) is the wrong item for sure. Please also note that such a relation does definitely not apply to all aspects of sports, as it is nothing which defines “sports”.

I’m thinking of a solution now, and I hope that I (or someone else) can come up with something… Can you please point to the corresponding enwiki discussion? Thanks and regards, MisterSynergy (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

This edit has apparently solved the constraint violations. There are many other cases which benefit from it as well. —MisterSynergy (talk) 15:34, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Subclass relation again

@Horcrux92: how do you justify this edit? According to the description in the enwiki articles en:Exercise and en:Sport, the former subclass relation was just okay (sport = physical exercise with competitive backgroud). —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

They are more or less the same (notice that physical exercise (Q219067) is subclass of (P279) physical activity (Q747883)). I just wanted to remove the accent from the original meaning of "exercise", because a sportsman may just be aimed by agonism or playfulness, not necessarely by the will of "enhancing or maintaining physical fitness and overall health and wellness" (i.e. the label of physical exercise (Q219067)).

You are free to rollback, if you don't agree. --Horcrux92 (talk) 14:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I have to think about it a bit … :-) —MisterSynergy (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

After some further thoughts, I think we should switch back to physical exercise (Q219067) again. In contrast to your statement, I’d say that physical exercise (Q219067) and sport (Q349) are very similar, with the latter having an additional competitive component that makes it distinct from the former. Both however are activities that are done on purpose by humans, for no other sake than the physical exercising itself (as opposed to physical activity (Q747883) such as "walking to the supermarket to buy groceries", "lift hand to drink water", "shake head to express opinion", etc…).

The question is whether we can (explicitly) include the motivation for these activities somehow here, which to my understanding was your motivation to change the claim. No idea yet … —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)