Wikidata talk:Wikivoyage

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No need to rush[edit]

Please guys,

please hold your horses for a tiny bit longer and do _not_ make announcements. The dates are not set in stone. I will make announcements in due time and with all the necessary information. If everyone starts doing this in an uncoordinated way we're just creating a lot of unnecessary confusion. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 13:59, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where is a roadmap or any plans for it? And also what is next? I think the easiest is to migrate wq then since it has articles about the same things as wp has. --Base (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a roadmap yet for which projects will be enabled next and in which order. I'll publish it as soon as I have it - hopefully next week. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 16:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, sorry if we jumped the gun a bit. I mainly wanted to get people to start working on import bots beforehand in a coordinated way rather than everyone duplicating work by writing their own scripts. I've also added a comment at the top of the page indicating what you've said on the talk page. Legoktm (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :) And I understand. No harm done. We'll get this out there ;-) --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway. Technicaly adding voy link is the same as wp? We should import links only and addbot will remove them or both import and remove. --Base (talk) 00:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since a lot of the pages seem to have links to Wikipedias already I'd assume that a lot of it can be done automagically by bots - both import and removing. But I'd depend on the bot owners how they're going to do it. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: I just sent out a note to all traveler pubs. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:00, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Updating Wikidata:Wikivoyage[edit]

Hi all,

I'm reaching out because I'm currently cleaning up and updating the Wikidata documentation for sister projects. For an idea of what that means, see Wikidata:Wikisource and Wikidata:Wikinews which I recently updated.

As you'll see, I added some navigation and structure to both. I'd like to introduce these same changes to Wikivoyage. I'm also interested in helping and/or supporting efforts to improve Wikidata:Wikivoyage so the page more fully reflects the fact that Wikivoyage now has Phase 2 deployment of Wikidata (IMO currently the page reads as though deployment is still just at Phase 1 sitelinks). It'd also be great to include content on how Wikdiata supports Wikivoyage (and vice versa) and why people should care and contribute. Unless anyone objects, in the next couple of days I'll start making some changes and moving content around to sub-pages.

If you have comments or suggestions for content that is missing but should be added, please let me know! Thanks -Thepwnco (talk) 22:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • voy:template:pagebanner uses a default banner image specified in a Wikidata property (Property:P948, Wikivoyage banner), which is worthy of mention. One usage example is voy:fr:Magog, which re-uses the same Commons banner image across languages for Magog (Q142004): city in Québec, Canada.
  • It's not clear from the text whether Wikidata supplies sidebar links to same-language sibling projects or to the same-language DMOZ open directory. From the one example article I'd mentioned, it looks like wikipedia: and commons: are linked, other WMF projects are not, DMOZ is not - although this may vary between language wikis. There is also no provision to specify a target Wikidata record for each individual {{listing}} on a Wikivoyage travel guide page at the moment due to technical limitations (bugzilla:47930 and bugzilla:68029). K7L (talk) 19:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Page(s) updated as part of documentation overhaul[edit]

Hi all,

as discussed above, I've gone ahead and updated the Wikidata:Wikivoyage page. I realize these are substantial changes—but I did try and keep the original proposal/discussion largely unchanged (as you will see, it is now a subpage at Wikidata:Wikivoyage/Development). I also added in redirects for all talk pages to point to just one main talk page (this one). If you have suggestions or concerns please leave them here—you can, of course, edit/revert my changes but I hope this documentation will prove useful for the Wikivoyage community, help sustain contributions to Wikidata, and encourage further collaboration.

Thanks in advance. -Thepwnco (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Properties for voy:Wikivoyage:Listings data[edit]

Please see Wikidata:Property_proposal/Sister_projects#Wikivoyage.
--- Jura 18:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added some of the existing mappings to Wikidata:Wikivoyage/Resources.
--- Jura 11:05, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The main one missing is probably opening hours, see Wikidata:Property_proposal/Sister_projects#Opening hours.
--- Jura 06:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Missing items for Wikivoyage editions[edit]

All 17 editions now have an item. The full list is at Wikidata:Wikivoyage/Lists/language editions.
--- Jura 12:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Region parameter[edit]

The list which collects missing properties for Wikivoyage template parameters mentiones several times region. Isn't this basically covered by located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)? We just need to go through the hierachy and stop at some point to determine the region of an entity. This differs probably from country to country. What do you think, can we mark those parameters as resolved? T.seppelt (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From a Wikidata perspective, this is what we can currently provide ;) If it suits Wikivoyage, fine for me. I'm aware that it does need some processing to be of use, but maybe a good LUA module already exists.
--- Jura 14:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The region or isPartOf entries refer to the immediate parent article in the Wikivoyage hierarchy, not to an official administrative region. For instance:
Neither of these match located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), which for Montréal is nominally Urban agglomeration of Montreal (Q2826806).
I'm a bit unsure of how to handle templates like Template:Routebox (Q14626862) and Template:IsPartOf (Q14205332), which could potentially use an item like adjacent Wikivoyage article or parent Wikivoyage article as parameters. Montreal (Q340) is in Quebec (Q176), c'est vrai, but the limits of any of the intervening region pages are arbitrary. Presumably, there's a map on voy:Quebec which indicates what Wikivoyage editors in that one language consider to be "southwestern Québec", but some other language of Wikivoyage could just as easily divide this as "Montréal {{isPartOf|St Lawrence Valley (Québec)}}" or some equally arbitrary subregion-of-a-big-province. That makes creating a parameter to identify the Wikivoyage parent region awkward, as the result may differ between languages. I'm not sure how to best address this, but located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) is not the answer. K7L (talk) 15:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With Wikidata Query Service, it's possible to find articles that are close by. Potentially, this could be used to build a static list. --- Jura 15:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If the structure is the same across several Wikivoyage versions, we could add a property. In general, LUA could go through values of P131 (and P131 of its values) to find which one has a Wikivoyage link in the same language.
--- Jura 06:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some language versions will arbitrarily carve provinces and nations into regions and subregions, depending on how many articles exist for destinations there. The more articles exist for within particular region, the better the chance it'll be split into arbitrary subregions (fr.voy will have the most for Québec, en.voy will have the most for many other regions...). A dozen languages have British Columbia (Q1974) but only five of those subdivide it in such a way as to create Lower Mainland (Q206489).
Template:Routebox (Q14626862) is used for Wikivoyage:Routebox navigation (Q14917974); for each main highway or passenger rail line through town in each direction, it lists "next" Wikivoyage destinations. It's not enough to know they're close by, we'd need to know which road in which direction. The next point west of Montreal (Q340) might be Vaudreuil-Dorion (Q141711), but en.voy doesn't have the article so may list A20/401 west as Cornwall (Q956690) "next" on the road west to Toronto (Q172). K7L (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More importantly, we do not have a unified hierarchy across Wikivoyage language editions, and therefore I do not see we can store it at Wikidata.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I presume that would affect both {{routebox}} and {{isPartOf}} along with any other links to parent, child or adjacent-destination articles? I'm not quite willing to give up on a adjacent station (P197)-like property but what's there now seems to be just a name of the adjacent station without clear identification of which line, which direction for each of the cities. There's nothing at all for highway "next city" or "next control city" entries, and even the rail articles don't seem to be using P197 to generate the "next station" links in the encyclopaedia infobox - instead storing the information locally. I'd presume that, if any "go next" data were to be stored, it would be in (route, direction, city, distance) format - for instance an entry like (Ontario Highway 401 (Q449996), east (Q684), Oshawa (Q211867), 50km) for each route and each direction. Maybe a flag to indicate if this is a "major city" or "control city (Q5165854)". If a Wikivoyage article for the city doesn't exist, it would get no clickable link or be simply ignored entirely. K7L (talk) 18:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It seems the toggle "destination/POI" icon for dynamic maps already does some of this. I haven't actually figured out how it's being fed, but supposedly it could take input from Wikidata.
--- Jura 05:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template and listings editor support[edit]

Currently only the French version seems to be supporting entry of item numbers [1]. Could this be added to others?
--- Jura 06:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

English and French versions of the listing template support this, but other languages may still lack it. A proposal for Italian is at voy:it:Template talk:Listing.
--- Jura 06:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with RfD[edit]

Please note User_talk:Bene*#Benebot on RfD (items for Wikivoyage listings). How could we fix this?
--- Jura 06:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Import listings from voy:it:Esino Lario ?[edit]

Could be a start. Unfortunately, the Italian template doesn't support the inclusion of Wikidata items yet. Is there already a way to export all listings from Wikivoyage pages?
--- Jura 06:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Using Wikidata at Listings[edit]

I created phab:T141345. Please comment on it. Thank you, -- T.seppelt (talk) 08:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion on a new property[edit]

Hello. We might need your opinion on a new property that may be useful for the project. The proposal is about lodgings in a given area. See Wikidata:Property proposal/lodging for more on this. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

I'm new here what's my first task VClarke270392 (talk) 07:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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