Wikidata:Requests for comment/Disambiguation pages guidelines
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| An editor has requested the community to provide input on "Disambiguation pages guidelines" via the Requests for comment (RFC) process. This is the discussion page regarding the issue.
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- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The results of this RfC are as follows:
- Disambiguation pages that differ only in capitalization may be merged, provided that each language only has one disambiguation page for those letters. For example, different languages have the disambiguation page for car as either "Car" or "CAR", but no one language has pages for both "Car" and "CAR", so merging is acceptable. On the other hand, different languages have the disambiguation page for arc as either "Arc" or "ARC", but some languages have pages for both "Arc" and "ARC", so merging is disallowed.
- Disambiguation pages that differ only in punctuation (apostrophe, dash, full stop, colon, space, etc.) may be merged, provided that each language only has one disambiguation page for those letters. For example, boogie-woogie is expressed in some languages with the dash and in some languages without it. Because no one language has a page for boogie-woogie and one for boogiewoogie, merging is allowed.
- There is no consensus for the third point, merging different forms of the same words.
- There was insufficient participation to form a consensus around any resolution to the stated issue with Chinese and Japanese Wikipedia's disambiguation pages with different spellings but the same pronunciation.
Closed by: Sven Manguard Wha? 07:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This Requests for comment is created for ask if we have to add more guidelines that aren't be discussed on the project chat and listed on Wikidata:Disambiguation pages task force. The main goal of this RfC is to ask to add some exceptions on Wikidata:Disambiguation pages task force. Concretely, the RfC is created after disagree on Wikidata:Disambiguation pages task force ([1]). If you have others exceptions or others subjects to ask to the community about the disambiguation pages guidelines, you can add a question on this RfC.
Should we allow case differences (between upper case and lower case) on disambiguation pages of one item?
[edit]For a example, see Q243026 between eo/it/ja and the others interlingual links, or Q438052 between fr and en, or , or Q398045/Q296474.
Support, but if somewhere (in Wikipedia) is both versions, e.g. "VER" and "Ver", then they need two separate items, where upper case and lower case need to separate. --Stryn (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)- Support with Stryn's reservation. Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support with Stryns restriction as well... --Sixsi6ma (talk) 23:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support as Stryn – I think the main purpose of having interwiki links between disambiguation pages, is to ease searching for an article with the disambiguated name in other Wikipedias, if the used Wikipedia doesn't have the wanted article, and that that purpose is best served by allowing differences in case and punctuation as such things are very language dependent. --Byrial (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support as Stryn. --Saehrimnir (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support with Stryns restrictions. --Knopfkind (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support I'm not really agree with this split policy, but this the Stryn's reservation is better than nothing. --Nouill (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support as Stryn. JAn Dudík (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support with the exceptions outlined by Stryn above. Ajraddatz (Talk) 19:09, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Should we allow punctuation differences on disambiguation pages of one item?
[edit]By punctuation, we means usual punctuations which can be commons for separate words in a expression or a abbreviation : apostrophe, dash, full stop, colon, space.
For a example, see Q416425 between nl and en/fr.
Strong support. Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)- Support --Sixsi6ma (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support – as above --Byrial (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support--Saehrimnir (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support but with the same restrictions as above: as soon as one wikipedia has two DABs for such a case there also need to be separate items e.g. Q12981666 and Q1180284. --Knopfkind (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support as Knopfkind. --Stryn (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support --Nouill (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support JAn Dudík (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Could we merge disambiguation pages when majority/all wikipedia page linked doesn't make difference between various forms ?
[edit]For a example, see Q7663755 between en and fr.
- Strong support. Also for other scripts. Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Oppose. Way too generic imo. --Sixsi6ma (talk) 23:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Question – Please elaborate this question. I do not understand what difference between fr:Sistema (homonymie) and en:Systema (disambiguation) it is talking about, thank you -- Byrial (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- It seems I cannot get an answer about what really is being asked here. But if the question is: Should the France page fr:Sistema (homonymie) be linked to the English redirect page en:Sistema (disambiguation) or to the redirect target at en:Systema (disambiguation), I will say the latter, so you also easy can come from English to French. A good general principle here when in doubt can be: if some of the disambiguated articles (as in the example) belongs to the same items, then the disambiguation pages can also belong to same item. Byrial (talk) 21:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose We should not merge them but should not split them by creating a new item either if all existing pages in all wikipedias only have one page which includes both spellings.--Saehrimnir (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose as Sixsi6ma but also against splitting as Saehrimnir mentioned --Knopfkind (talk) 12:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose as Knopfkind. --Stryn (talk) 11:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support – If the same form of a term is used on all disambiguation pages, it would not be helpful not to link between them just because some or all pages also include alternative spellings. Byrial (talk) 11:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support In many case, we will have at lot of problems with disambiguation pages with disseminated interwiki link. --Nouill (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support if there does not exist both en:systema and en:sistema - in that case split JAn Dudík (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Where should the Japanese or Chinese Wikipedias which often contain a lot of different spellings with the same pronounciations be linked?
[edit]If only "many-to-one" link were possible... Infovarius (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- It is certainly the bigger problem of the disambiguation pages, but I don't thing there is a better solution, or any solution. --Nouill (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)