Wikidata:Requests for comment/Commons category on Wikimedia category item
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An editor has requested the community to provide input on "Commons category on Wikimedia category item" via the Requests for comment (RFC) process. This is the discussion page regarding the issue.
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- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Because this was started by a now indefinitely-blocked sockpuppet and the reaction to the proposal has been negative, I will speedy close this. --Rschen7754 05:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Contents
Proposal
[edit]If the following three conditions are met for an item
- it is an instance of Wikimedia category (Q4167836)
- it has exactly one value in Commons category (P373)
- its sitelink to commons is the same as its Commons category (P373)
then and only then remove Commons category (P373) - because the connection to the commons category is stored in the sitelink, P373 is 100% redundant.
Reason
[edit]- avoid duplication of information
- improve usability by promoting sitelink and reducing usage of P373
- since in Commons the left-hand sidebar will show links to Wikidata and to Wikipedias
- arbitrary access will allow display of category's main topic Wikipedia links in Commons
- less duplicated information in the Wikidata page for an item
Situation
[edit]There are ~245 000 items that are instance of Wikimedia category (Q4167836), have a value for Commons category (P373) and have a sitelink to commons. [1].
They can have
- exactly one value in P373
- sitelink to commons is the same as the value in P373 (P373 could be removed)
- sitelink to commons is different
- several values in P373
- sitelink to commons is contained in P373
- sitelink to commons is different from all values in P373
So far that means there are potentially 245 000 duplicated statements.
- @Multichill: Your bot created sitelinks based on P373, e.g. [2]. Maybe you have more experience on what else to consider, when removing P373 if it duplicates the sitelink. Feedback welcome. FreightXPress (talk) 20:27, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong oppose used downstream a lot, see Property talk:P373. Multichill (talk) 10:42, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Multichill: Property talk:P373 shows usage in some templates. These could be updated easily. Any usage elsewhere? FreightXPress (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's used on various Wikipedia's: Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox missing Commons Category statement (Q11925744). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sjoerddebruin: It is not used on Q11925744. But that page links to en:Category:Commons category without a link on Wikidata, where it says: "These are pages that transclude {{commons category}}, but do not have data for them in Wikidata." Since the proposal is about items in Wikidata the category is OFFTOPIC. FreightXPress (talk) 02:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it's not "OFFTOPIC". That kind of categories are filled with the use of Commons category (P373), see the source code of the templates. It's not so easy to use sitelinks for that, if I can remember. And please, don't react like you know everything. It's much nicer to ask a follow-up question. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sjoerddebruin: I don't know everything. But clearly "Commons category without a link on Wikidata" is a misnomer, if it relies on P373. And here is a follow-up question: What do you mean by "It's not so easy to use sitelinks for that, if I can remember"? FreightXPress (talk) 15:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it's not "OFFTOPIC". That kind of categories are filled with the use of Commons category (P373), see the source code of the templates. It's not so easy to use sitelinks for that, if I can remember. And please, don't react like you know everything. It's much nicer to ask a follow-up question. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sjoerddebruin: It is not used on Q11925744. But that page links to en:Category:Commons category without a link on Wikidata, where it says: "These are pages that transclude {{commons category}}, but do not have data for them in Wikidata." Since the proposal is about items in Wikidata the category is OFFTOPIC. FreightXPress (talk) 02:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's used on various Wikipedia's: Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox missing Commons Category statement (Q11925744). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Multichill: Property talk:P373 shows usage in some templates. These could be updated easily. Any usage elsewhere? FreightXPress (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong oppose, strong need for this property. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sjoerddebruin: Just saying it is needed, does not help. Where is it needed? FreightXPress (talk) 02:09, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose unnecessary loss of information. Note that commons cat = WD subject item (not WD cat item) mapping is still not predominantly accepted (even it is make much more sense than commons cat = WD cat item mapping). --Jklamo (talk) 01:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]