Wikidata:Property proposal/information sign

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information sign[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Descriptionproperty for the image of a (historical or other) information sign or board
Representsinformation sign (Q6031215)
Data typeCommons media file
Domainitem
Example 1Bonn Minster (Q686664) → File:2011-06-01 Bonn Muensterbasilika Tafel.jpg
Example 2St. Maria Magdalena (Q62576156) → File:Rheinbreitbach St. Maria Magdalena Informationstafel.jpg
Example 3Bonn-Oberkassel station (Q800555) → File:Bonn-Oberkassel Kalkuhlstraße Bahnhof Informationstafel.jpg
Example 4Schloss Drachenburg (Q315089) → File:Königswinter Schloss Drachenburg Informationstafel.jpg (bilingual)
Example 5Acherstraße (Q15818416) → File:Bonn-acherstrasse-02.jpg
Example 6Hofgarten (Q1623077) → File:Hofgarten-05.jpg (bilingual)
Example 7St. Remigius (Q1757224) → File:Königswinter Drachenfelsstraße Kirchhof St. Remigius Informationstafel.jpg (bilingual)
Example 8Rhine-Westerwald Nature Park (Q1970608) → File:Anzeigetafel im Naturpark.jpg
Example 9Nijmegen Town Hall (Q1906372) → File:Nijmegen Burchtstraat 20 Stadhuis informatiepaneel.jpg
Example 10Juliana van Stolberg (Q2989515) monument → File:Den Haag Koningin Marialaan Juliana van Stolberg en haar vijf zoons informatiepaneel.jpg
Planned useadd the property to the items of buildings, cultural heritage monuments, squares, nature reserves etc.
See alsoplaque image (P1801), inscription image (P9906)
Wikidata projectWikimedia Commons (Wikidata Infobox)

Motivation[edit]

Almost every important heritage building or other type of monument (sometimes also an entire street or public square) – at least in my country – has a historical information sign or board attached to its facade or set up in front of it. Probably most of them are not commemorative plaques (for which we have a property already) because they do not or at least not exclusively commemorate a specific event or person but instead describe the entire or relevant parts of the history of this place just like a Wikipedia article would also do or already does. Commemorative plaques are small memorials whereas merely informative (historical) signs or boards are not. Arguably, sometimes it seems to be difficult to decide whether a certain sign is a commemorative plaque or an information board. However, it can be both at the same time, only for different subjects. For instance, a here-was-born plaque or a here-lived plaque is a commemorative plaque for the person but an information sign for the building, so its image could be added twice to different Wikidata items using different properties. Commemorative plaques in general are dedicated to people and historic events, not to the places they are connected or attached to, and should thus only be included in their respective Wikidata items.

If this property should be created I will propose to include it in the Wikidata Infobox on Commons.--2003:E5:1727:B69A:6137:C1A8:1959:ED65 10:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC) --2003:E5:1727:B69A:6137:C1A8:1959:ED65 11:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Information signs need not be historical, so do you want to restrict the property to just that? Have a look at the American Historical Marker Database, https://www.hmdb.org/ and think how you might link to their 178000 !! entries. Vicarage (talk) 16:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, it is so far a restriction to historical information signs that may also describe the current use of the place but not predominantly. Concurringly, plaque image (P1801) is named commemorative plaque image, not merely plaque image. Under en:Information sign it is stated that a mere traffic sign is also an information sign but that is a fundamental difference from the purpose of a historical information sign. I agree that there a rare examples of information signs or boards which only inform about the current use of a building/settlement/mountain etc. Either way, such a property is still missing.--2003:E5:1727:B68C:D081:337D:A1D5:7DA2 20:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If information sign (Q6031215) already exists, I'd make this a direct property of that. Current information signs are very common in nature reserves, railway stations etc, and I'd be wary of balkanising. It would seem odd for an ex-industrial site with buildings overlooking wildlife ponds to have to split the signage. Vicarage (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just changed the property proposal name.--2003:E5:1727:B68C:D081:337D:A1D5:7DA2 21:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's probably another issue with the property name: is information sign sufficient or – to make it more consistent with other media file properties – information sign image?--2003:E5:1727:B6EB:D081:337D:A1D5:7DA2 18:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
After having looked at Special:ListProperties/commonsMedia I am certain that the current name of the proposal can remain. See place name sign (P1766), twin town sign (P8667) and cantilever sign (P10544). --Image-Improver Bonn (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support i don't know why this has been stuck for so long. BrokenSegue (talk) 01:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the recent days and weeks I uploaded under my Commons account (see uploads) many photos of information boards most of which could be used for the proposed Wikidata property. Maybe the creation of this property would motivate other users to take more such pictures (including myself). Especially in case no Wikipedia article on a specific object exists yet information sign images are the only place where users can inform themselves on Wikimedia about it. The property would certainly facilitate the finding of this information.--2A02:908:613:E7A0:E4BB:146:D413:8DDB 14:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC) --Image-Improver Bonn (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am worried that many of these may be copyright violations, and hence can't be kept on Commons. That isn't necessarily a problem for this proposal, since there are information signs that are copyright free, but in those cases perhaps plaque image (P1801) is more applicable? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Provided the photographer stood on public ground, these are covered by Germany's freedom-of-panorama exception. The same is true for a lot of other "FoP-countries", unfortunately with the exception of the U.K. --Túrelio (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Túrelio:. Given that, I  Support this proposal, and will add the property to commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox if it's created. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Túrelio: @Vicarage: Do you also support the property creation? This is my first proposal, so I don't know whether one supporter (no opposer) is sufficient for the creation.--Image-Improver Bonn (talk) 09:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support No idea how you progress it, my one property took ages to be implemented Vicarage (talk) 10:56, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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