Wikidata:Property proposal/human position in artwork

body pose or movement

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: expression, gesture or body pose (P6022) (Talk and documentation)

Description	qualifier on depicts (P180) for human position of an individual in an artwork
Represents	posture (Q8514257)
Data type	Item
Domain	work of art (Q838948)
Example 1	Washington Crossing the Delaware (Q509806) → George Washington (Q23) → standing (Q1986098)
Example 2	David (Q179900) → David (Q41370) → contrapposto (Q514847)
Example 3	Kneeling Bull with Vessel (Q17077938) → bull (Q693690) → kneeling (Q8866546)
Example 4	Pollice Verso (Q1237863) → Roman emperor (Q842606) → Pollice verso (Q1232302)
Example

Motivation

For describing the body position of a human figure (standing, kneeling, sitting, making a particular hand gesture) in a painting or sculpture. This will make it possible to query, for example, depictions of women who are standing versus sitting in a particular body of artworks. Pharos (talk) 19:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support David (talk) 08:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
•  Support More appropriate than shown with features (P1354). An alternative label for the property could be "pose". Jheald (talk) 15:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
•  Support but in artwork should be dropped. There might be circumstances that make this useful to describe events in real life. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
•  Support with Thierry Caro's correction. Mahir256 (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
•  Comment On Commons User:Jeblad has recently asked how one might search for eg "cat and dog playing" using structured data. It seems to me it would be useful to give this currently-proposed qualifier a broader scope, eg something like "depicted in pose or activity". Commons has quite extensive category hierarchies under c:Category:Animals by posture and c:Category:Animals_by_activity, part of broader hierarchies under c:Category:Categories by posture and c:Category:Categories by activity. Jheald (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
•  Comment I would support dropping in artwork and making this property "pose", or possibly also "body pose or movement". I find "activity" a bit generic, for something like tool use you could maybe have uses (P2283) as a qualifier.--Pharos (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pharos: Whilst "activity" is rather generic, something quite generic is needed if we are to be able to capture the various activities in e.g. c:Category:Animals_by_activity -- which don't really fall into the class of 'tool use'. With a generic qualifier, it's easy enough to write a query to look for values in a particular class such as posture (Q8514257). Jheald (talk) 21:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jheald: I think "body pose or movement" covers pretty much everything you'd want from "activity", without being so generic it could apply to inanimate objects, which is my concern.--Pharos (talk) 21:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Pharos, Thierry Caro, Jheald, Mahir256:  Done: expression, gesture or body pose (P6022). − Pintoch (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)