User talk:Dennis Radaelli

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Attività

Finora la tua presenza su wikidata è stata "indiretta", soprattutto spostamenti di titoli o unione di voci su itwiki registrati qui. Se vuoi saperne di più sugli elementi a carattere musicale e le loro proprietà contattami pure.--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

"necessità" salvo soluzioni a incartamenti dovuti al software non credo che ne avrai. Diciamo che è la volontà che si può sviluppare.

Posso darti questo futuribile scenario: già due anni fa in una discussione emerse come voci di almanacco breve (tipo, appunto, le canzoni) sarebbe potute scriversi via bot via wikidata. nel senso che la tecnologia c'è, manca forse il tempo di dibattervi pubblicamente, ma è quasi certo anche in base a esempi precedenti che si possa fare. In questo senso nel medio-lungo termine un elemento di wikidata ben aggiornato è un primo passo verso una voce. Oltre che essere utile per motivi di controllo interno, per esempio verificare discrepanze dovute a fonti in altre lingue. Quindi imparare le corrispondenze fra il contenuto chiave delle voci di itWikipedia (nel caso delle canzoni anno, autore, etichetta, cover...) e le proprieità degli elementi di wikidata è un'attività probabilmente utile per il futuro. probabilmente, ci tengo a precisare. Non è una certezza. al momento è un po' alienante, lo ammetto.--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:35, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Post Traumatic

Hi, why it's not "followed by"? Stryn (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Then how Q17508327 is an album by Mike Shinoda? Stryn (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I still think that EP's are more albums than singles. It's also in infobox on Wikipedias (except in Italian version). EP is also at w:Category:Album types like a soundtrack album. The same we have done for Hybrid Theory (Q19997), followed by Hybrid Theory (Q19862). Stryn (talk) 19:02, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Ripubblicazione

Ok ma la ripubblicazione è avvenuta con un'altra etichetta. Credo che di questo bisogna tenerne conto. --★ → Airon 90 13:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

"Songs" vs. recordings and compositions, and other things

There has been some discussion recently regarding how items for musical compositions are structured; I noticed Moebeus also reverted you on some items.

Most other music databases have separate objects for compositions, recordings/tracks and releases/albums/singles (see Wikidata:WikiProject Music#Overview), and it's probably in our interest to structure our data properly so it doesn't mix up data that should be placed on separate items. What Wikidata has previously done (which seems to be basically an artifact of large-scale infobox imports) isn't necessarily the best approach.

studio album (Q208569) (en: "studio album") is definitely more precise than album (Q482994) (en: "album"), so I'm not sure if either of these are "standard". I've removed follows (P155) and followed by (P156) for singles discographies because it tends to fall apart if more than one artist has a chronology on a release (hence the use of the discography items), although what exactly the chronologies are supposed to comprise anyway doesn't really seem to me to be very clear. Moebeus did this, for what it's worth. Jc86035's alternate account (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Reverts

I completely forgot that you posted to my talk page about this specific issue, so sorry if I said anything unnecessary. Jc86035 (talk) 10:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Presumably, because the deletion discussion for P1432 (P1432) has closed with a consensus to delete the property, there is fairly unambiguous consensus that singles should have their own items separate to songs. Please stop reverting my edits with faulty reasoning. The relevant items (I hope I didn't miss any in creating the relevant ones) are linked through has edition or translation (P747)/edition or translation of (P629), tracklist (P658)/published in (P1433), and recording or performance of (P2550). Jc86035 (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Single	Digital release	Track	Composition	Music video
Jumpsuit / Nico and the Niners (Q55640175)	Jumpsuit / Nico and the Niners (Q60152792)	Jumpsuit (Q55516958)	Jumpsuit (Q56344909)	Jumpsuit (Q60152688)
		Nico and the Niners (Q60152572)	Nico and the Niners (Q56344922)	Nico and the Niners (Q60152690)
Levitate (Q56051896)	Levitate (Q60153037)	Levitate (Q60152315)	Levitate (Q57615767)	Levitate (Q60152689)
My Blood (Q60153121)	My Blood (Q60153122)	My Blood (Q60153126)	My Blood (Q56433727)	My Blood (Q60153124)

Helpfully, the older items' IDs are prefixed with 5, and the newer items' are prefixed with 6. (@Moebeus: This is the result of duplicates from automatic item creations. I tried to keep the items' purposes consistent, but perhaps in future it would be preferable to create new items instead of repurposing all of the old ones.)

If you really think that I'm wrong here and that there should be four items instead of 18, then please do it properly and ask for the items that I create to be deleted. Jc86035 (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Rischio di guerra editoriale

Puoi spiegarmi cosa stai giocando ? perché sopprimi i miei contributi ? --83.202.52.48 09:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

perché rimuovere i miei contributi senza alcuna spiegazione? chi pensi di voler cancellare ore di lavoro?--83.202.52.48 08:33, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

My Own Summer

Hi. As said in the edit summaries, the single was originally released in 1997, and please do not alter the English Wikipedia refs. You are free to re-add everything else. Thank you. Ellokk (talk) 02:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I started the discussion here, there was no need for you to post on my talk page. Per WP:BURDEN, the responsibility of adding sources is on you since you're the one who changed it. Anyways, I added a source for the date in the English Wikipedia article. Ellokk (talk) 15:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Date of birth Ché Aimee Dorval

Hi Dennis, we have been reverting eachother's edits. Let's not get into an edit war. What exactly is your problem with the date of birth that I provided? Maartenschrijft (talk) 11:44, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Maartenschrijft: We need a source indicating the correct year of birth of the artist. We cannot use a source like yours that doesn't report that precise information. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 18:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

We cannot, or we don't want to? I don't edit a whole lot on Wikidata. Could you point me to a rule or guideline that says that we need the precise year of birth? Maartenschrijft (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

It's simply common sense. If you put two different years Wikidata generates an error, because you have to put a precise year of birth. Find a good source with the exact year of birth and feel free to add it again. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Common sense is subjective. I find an educated guess of a date of birth better than no date of birth at all. I don't see why I have to give a precise year of birth since Wikidata accepts two. I got no error prohibiting me to add two years of birth but a flag. Unless you can point me to a rule or guideline that forbids me to add the year of birth like I did, or a second opinion backing up your view, I will undo your edit again. Maartenschrijft (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Abyss of Time

Ciao, ho visto le modifiche fatte qui:

1. Quando unisci due elementi non è necessario rimuovere le etichette doppie, lo fa automaticamente lo script di merging;
2. Questa modifica non l'ho proprio capita, intanto la rollbacko;
3. Dappertutto il singolo compare come "Abyss of Time - Countdown to Singularity" e mai con le parentesi tonde. Hai delle fonti che provano che il titolo del singolo è tra parentesi tonde? Altrimenti ripristino le modifiche.

Buon weekend! --★ → Airon 90 07:34, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Mi sono fidato del titolo della voce su Wikipedia: generalmente i loro sottotitoli sono sempre accompagnati dal trattino e mai dalle parentesi ma evidentemente sulla nostra versione è stato deciso di riportarli tra parentesi. Sposto la voce. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 07:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah ok, immaginavo fosse qualcosa legato a itwiki! No problem :) Un'altra cosa: un singolo è considerabile come un album e non può far parte di un altro album. Semmai una traccia fa parte di un album (o di un singolo) ma per quello c'è la proprietà tracklist (P658). Buona domenica! --★ → Airon 90 07:59, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Un singolo è pur sempre estratto da un album (altrimenti non sarebbe tale :D). Seconda cosa: non so se avrai notato ma ho dovuto rimuovere alcuni parametri per il link YouTube, in quanto non sembrano essere riconosciuti come validi dall'identificativo YT stesso. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 09:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey, You (EP)

Hello Dennis; I saw that you have reverted my edition of Hey, You (EP), by Mono. I think the recording after Hey, You is Under the Pipal Tree, and not the split with Pelican.
--Queso y aceitunas (talk) 15:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Template:At Chronology should be separate between albums, EPs, singles, etc. Under the Pipal is an album, not an EP. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 10:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I hadn’t found anything about the chronology and thought it was more clarifying as it appears in the infotables. So I thought the date weighed more than the typology. Thanks for the clarification. --Queso y aceitunas (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Singolo vs. canzone

Scusami, ma questo qua non va bene. La descrizione di Wikidata purtroppo viene usata anche come descrizione delle pagine su Wikipedia (l'introduzione di SHORTDESC su dewiki è appena stata respinta dal 51% della comunità tedesca). Ciò significa che la descrizione deve corrispondere alla pagina su Wikipedia. Su dewiki voci su singoli non esistono, dunque descrizioni “Single von” sono sempre sbagliate. Saluti, XanonymusX (talk) 15:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Ricevuto, grazie. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 13:43, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Un singolo è un "prodotto" discografico, mentre una canzone è una composizione creativa. Molte wiki, come quella tedesca, ma anche quella inglese o francese, considerano la "canzone" e non il prodotto. Quella in italiano è una delle poche wiki a mettere invece l'accento sul singolo anziché la composizione. Inserire qui su Wikidata entrambe le istanze è la formula corretta.--Alienautic (talk) 13:58, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Da quello che so vengono creati elementi distinti per singoli e canzoni. La voce in questione è un singolo. Se si vuole mettere l'istanza canzone si crei un elemento a parte. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Se il singolo e la canzone coincidono solitamente non si creano due elementi, anche perché andrebbe a creare confusione con i vari collegamenti nelle Wiki in diverse lingue. Le voci collegate a questo elemento delle Wiki in inglese o in tedesco, per esempio, si riferiscono alla canzone, non al singolo. Quindi per favore non annullare più, grazie. --Alienautic (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Eh, questo lo so. Però in passato è capitato che più utente operassero in tale maniera e non ci ho mai capito bene a tal proposito (ne sai il motivo?). Ad ogni modo, ho compreso il tutto e lascio la cosa. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 14:06, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Conosco il problema. Lo avevamo discusso su dewiki nel 2017, qui su WD avevo fatto una richiesta già nel 2016: Wikidata talk:WikiProject Music/Archive/2016#Song vs. single. Non è ideale la situazione, al momento non so come fare con Q62565108 e Q72928288, per esempio (e probabilmente nella lista ci sono altri casi problematici). Se fosse stato per me, su dewiki ora avremmo delle descrizioni locali attraverso SHORTDESC e potrei lasciare le descrizioni WD come sono. Ma niente da fare per ora.

Poi nel caso concreto trovo strana l’idea che un singolo possa aver vinto un Song Contest o il Festival della Canzone Italiana, ma ovviamente conosco i concetti di itwiki. Comunque ora ci siamo, bene! :) Un saluto, XanonymusX (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Vedo che siamo tornati alla situazione precedente. Seriamente ti sembra sensato dividere i link interwiki tra i due elementi che trattano la stessa cosa? Per ora ho spostato il link a dewiki all'elemento corretto, ma gran parte dei link al momento è sbagliata.--XanonymusX (talk) 11:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Ho ritenuto opportuno toglierlo questa volta per il semplice fatto che qualcuno ha creato l'elemento per il brano, facendo di fatto un duplicato. --Dennis Radaelli (talk) 13:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Già... Cerco di trovare qualche soluzione, ma è veramente un casino così. XanonymusX (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Per Topic:Wnqarkm7pt8lyhys ho spostato tutti gli interwiki all'elemento della canzone. Non è ideale per itwiki, ma non credo ci sia una soluzione migliore. XanonymusX (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Your revert on Hybrid Theory (Q19997)

What happened with these edits? MusicBrainz merged two release groups, so I added the new MBID and flagged the merged and redirected statement as deprecated (see Help:Deprecation), rather than removing it entirely. You then removed the correct statement and the reason for deprecating the incorrect statement. Why did you do that? --Alex Cohn (talk) 06:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Because the first link is now a redirect to the second one (just click on it and you'll notice it). It's like having a double. I'll remove it again. Dennis Radaelli (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

You removed the correct (bb88...) MBID, leaving behind the one that redirects. Also, there's a semantic meaning to deprecated statements; they are not duplicates. Have you reviewed Help:Deprecation? Alex Cohn (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Revert on Q110591802

Hi, what happened here? You reverted a large number of contributions there. Was that by accident? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand why you changed a single entry into a song entry for no reason. Isn't creating a new item the best solution? Dennis Radaelli (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

That would also be possible, but it is standard to have all Wikipedia article links on the song/composition entity, rather than the single entity. I could have moved all the article links over but that would be only more work. I created a new entity for the single, Q112058783. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Subject named as

Ciao, non rimuovere il parametro "subject named as"; viene letto dal template collegamenti esterni su it.wiki, così come in altre versioni linguistiche, ed è utile in casi in cui il titolo della voce non corrisponde all'alfabeto latino o quando si tratta di una resa grafica. Ciao France3c0 (talk) 15:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Okappa, buon lavoro. Dennis Radaelli (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikilinks on songs

What part of the info on Wikidata:WikiProject Music do you not understand?

If a Wikipedia article is about a single with only one track, or mainly discusses one track of that single, then it should be connected to the item about the composition.

You keep moving wikilinks to the item about the single, but those articles discuss the song, not per se the single. The wikilinks should be attached to the item about the song. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense: why create multiple entries for a single (single itself, song, "vocal track", "music video"). It's not Wikidata, it's MusicBrainz basically. Dennis Radaelli (talk) 15:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't know exactly anymore why that was done, but if I recall correctly there was consensus to do this at some point at Wikidata:Project chat. In any case, changing that would at least require another discussion there. If you think you have good enough arguments to change that, go right ahead, but until then, having separate items for songs and singles is just how it works on Wikidata. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Follows/followed by

Hi, I have been removing follows (P155) and followed by (P156) statements because, as the descriptions of those properties also say, it is better to use these as qualifiers of part of the series (P179) than as standalone statements. This is because otherwise it becomes unclear in what series it is actually following or being followed by. This is currently a problem on for example Let Somebody Go (Q108914561) which is part of multiple series so it has multiple P155/P156 statements. (On that item of (P642) is used to distinguish them but that property really shouldn't be used in this way). On the album items where you have readded the P155/P156 statements, it is basically duplicating information that is already on the part of the series (P179) statement. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2022 (UTC)