User:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases

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Please, edit sections that are fixed or outdated! Please do not archive fixed items - I often need to take extra actions so that future reports will not include them again.

In general, any help with fixing problem reported here is helpful and welcome!

If you want, post on User talk:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases and request to be notified on page update (or just watchlist this page as usual)

Sperrtor Marientor Duisburg (Q2309286) is a science, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: hydraulic engineering (sub-discipline of civil engineering concerned with the flow and conveyance of fluids, principally water and sewage) [1]

en: civil engineering (engineering discipline specializing in design, construction and maintenance of the built environment) [2]
en: engineering (applied science) [3]
en: applied science (discipline that applies existing scientific knowledge to develop more practical applications) [4]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [5] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!

Pumpwerk Alte Emscher (Q1540792) is a science, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: hydraulic engineering (sub-discipline of civil engineering concerned with the flow and conveyance of fluids, principally water and sewage) [6]

en: civil engineering (engineering discipline specializing in design, construction and maintenance of the built environment) [7]
en: engineering (applied science) [8]
en: applied science (discipline that applies existing scientific knowledge to develop more practical applications) [9]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [10] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!!!!

Crimea (Q7835) is a word or phrase, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

Unexpected type Q113382977 undocumented format

en: proper noun (grammatical concept) [11]
en: noun phrase (phrase type without a verb) [12]
en: phrase (sequence of at least two words) [13]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [14]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [15]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [16]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [17]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [18] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [19] this was unexpected here as it indicates a word or phrase !!!!

Green Mountains (Q41507) is a science, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: physiographic section (third-level region in the Fenneman model of physiographic regionalization) [20]

en: physical geography (one of the two major subfields of geography) [21]
en: natural science (branch of science about the natural world) [22]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [23] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!!!!!

Chaco Culture World Heritage Site (Q65648486) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: archaeological culture (group of artifacts associated with a past society) [24]

en: culture (shared aspects of a society's way of life) [25]
en: pattern of behavior (type of animal behavior, humans included) [26]
en: pattern (discernible spatial or temporal regularity in the world or in a man-made design) [27]
en: regularity (abstract concept describing something that appears more than once with a certain space or time between the occurances) [28]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [29] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!

beginning of time (Q63616414) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: clock face (part of a non-digital clock that displays the time) [30]

en: measurement scale (graduated measurement scheme developed for a phenomenon) [31]
en: scale (system of reference values for a characteristic) [32]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [33] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!

Fixed [34] Swpb (talk) 19:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Statue of John of Nepomuk (Q38052803) is art (field of work, not the resulting work), according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

Unexpected type Q105213328 undocumented format

en: religious sculpture as genre (genre of sculpture with religious themes) [35] this was unexpected here as it indicates a religious sculpture (genre) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Conflict as captured by classification.js : violation between abstract and concrete objects
Conflict as captured by classification.js : violation between abstract and concrete objects

This one is captured by classification.js by the "abstract entity" / "concrete entity" disjointness constraint, see screenshot thumb (This screenshot . It's pretty clear that there is a problem here as "art" is a subclass of process but here "statue" is the result of the process and not the process itself. There is also a problem that "process" is classified as "subclass of abstact entity" but if it's a sequence of event it's concrete. It think that I saw @ChristianKl:did a few edits recently about the "process" / "activity" items, not sure of what was done but it might be interesting to discuss this together in cas this triggered this problem.

If art is a process, then it's definitely not abstract. If a genre is a class of work, then a class of statue is not abstract either. There is definitely a problem here between the conflation of art as a practice / process and a class of works. author  TomT0m / talk page 11:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

  • @TomT0m: This has nothing to do with my edits. My edits were about having a metaclass for activity where activities are a process with agents.
    @ChristianKl: I'm not sure about that, activities are a kind of stuff you do regularly. Maybe I'm the one putting this as a metaclass with that reasoning. You can paint one time without being a painter, but some people paint for a living. "painting" is just an action / process, with an agent and a result. But "painting" as an activity, is that thing repeated over and over, for a living or for fun. So for me it makes total sense to put activity as a metaclass. It's the class of all things someone can practice regularly, for profession for example. It's different from "painting" who is just a subclass of "process" or "action" or something like that. author  TomT0m / talk page 17:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Our item activity (Q1914636) doesn't seem to be limited to repeated vs. one-time events in any language as far as I can tell, and in English at least, an "activity" can certainly be something you only do once. The distinction from process (Q3249551) seems to be purely about the presence of a causative agent. Swpb (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny, Swpb: seem to have created a distinction between religious sculpture as object (Q116445901) and religious sculpture as genre (Q16675884) and the wrong one was used here. The naming of those violates our help:label policy but I see a benefit of naming those items this way, so our label policy should likely be changed to be more compatible with it. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Oh yes, I do remember it now. I created it without systematic review of already tagged Wikidata objects so likely may are wrong. (I am pretty sure that creating such distinction was a good idea, but I am not Wikidata expert at all, so maybe I was wrong) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

likely it is work of art, not field of art[edit]

(query, not specific verified cases)

https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%0AWHERE%20%0A%7B%0A%20%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ11634.%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ17310537.%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%20%23%20Helps%20get%20the%20label%20in%20your%20language%2C%20if%20not%2C%20then%20en%20language%0A%7D


what is that?[edit]

Is it educational platform or programming language? Or business? Ontology, description, linked wikipedia page disagree

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q22909519

Odda Smelteverk (Q12717387) is a science, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: smelting (use of heat and a reducing agent to purify metal from ore) [36]

en: pyrometallurgy (branch of extractible metallurgy) [37]
en: metallurgy (domain of materials science that studies the physical and chemical behavior of metals) [38]
en: materials science (research, discovery and design of physical materials (especially solids)) [39]
en: natural science (branch of science about the natural world) [40]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [41] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!

Fixed [42] Swpb (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


Fablok (Q1128687) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Telegraphic address (unique identifier code for a recipient of telegraph messages) [43]

en: address (collection of information that describes the location of a building, apartment, or other structure) [44]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [45]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [46]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [47]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [48]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [49]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [50]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [51] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!

Xitou (Q15929166) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: toponymy (branch of onomastics, study of place names) [52]

en: onomastics (study of proper names of all kinds and the origins of names) [53]
en: linguistics (scientific study of language) [54]
en: social science (academic disciplines concerned with society and the relationships between individuals in society) [55]
en: social sciences and humanities (an area of scholarly activity) [56]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [57]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [58]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [59]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [60] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!


The Hungry Mile (Q7741025) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [61]

en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [62]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [63]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [64]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [65]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [66]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [67] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!


Q109758257 is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: confraternity (generally a Roman Catholic or Orthodox voluntary association of lay people) [68]

en: Sodality (also a lay organization in the Roman Catholic Church) [69]
en: sodality (non-kin group organized for a specific purpose and frequently spanning villages or towns) [70]
en: social organization (pattern of relationships between and among individuals and social groups) [71]
en: pattern (discernible spatial or temporal regularity in the world or in a man-made design) [72]
en: regularity (abstract concept describing something that appears more than once with a certain space or time between the occurances) [73]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [74] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!

Also captured thanks to Classification.js social organization (Q4430243) is also a subclass of "unit of analysis (Q7887142)" which is absurd, it's an instance of it not a subclass. author  TomT0m / talk page 11:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC) => This one is solved by revert.

also an interwiki conflict, in the interwiki link of social organization (Q4430243) in frwiki this is describe as the "process of forming social structure", in enwiki "a pattern of relationships". author  TomT0m / talk page 11:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Is it really organization and building at the same time? It seems to not really make sense Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Going with the Italian label and description, it's a building, so: [75]. Swpb (talk) 14:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Q883632 is a science, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: lead smelting (Process of refining lead metal) [76]

en: smelting (use of heat and a reducing agent to purify metal from ore) [77]
en: pyrometallurgy (branch of extractible metallurgy) [78]
en: metallurgy (domain of materials science that studies the physical and chemical behavior of metals) [79]
en: materials science (research, discovery and design of physical materials (especially solids)) [80]
en: natural science (branch of science about the natural world) [81]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [82] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!

Fixed: [83], [84]. Swpb (talk) 15:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


Australia (Q408) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Commonwealth realm (sovereign state headed by British monarch) [85]

en: kingdom (state over which a king or queen rules) [86]
en: monarchy (system of government where the head of state position is inherited within family) [87]
en: monarchic system (political system whose sovereign power is detained by a single person or a few persons) [88]
en: form of government (organisational model of government) [89]
en: administrative type (general umbrella term for the way in which a community is run) [90]
en: classification scheme (system of descriptive information for an arrangement or division of objects into groups based on characteristics, which the objects have in common) [91]
en: knowledge organization system (generic term used in knowledge organization about authority files, classification schemes, thesauri, topic maps, ontologies etc.) [92]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [93]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [94] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!

Fixed three issues: [95], [96], [97]. Swpb (talk) 14:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Roman manor house Ottenhusen (Q29522166) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Roman archaeology (archaeological sub-discipline) [98]

en: classical archaeology (archaeological investigation of the Mediterranean civilizations of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome) [99]
en: classics (study of classical antiquity such as ancient Greece and ancient Rome) [100]
en: classical studies (study of the cultures of the ancient Near East, Europe and North Africa) [101]
en: area studies (interdisciplinary fields of research in geography, history, culture, politics, economy, ethnology, languages and sociology, within a national, regional, or local context, in order to describe or explain its specificities) [102]
en: cultural studies (academic field of critical theory and literary criticism) [103]
en: anthropology (scientific study of humans, human behavior, and societies) [104]
en: social science (academic disciplines concerned with society and the relationships between individuals in society) [105]
en: social sciences and humanities (an area of scholarly activity) [106]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [107]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [108]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [109]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [110] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!

Fixed [111] Swpb (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Löwenbrücke (Q1747112) is art (field of work, not the resulting work), according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: architectural sculpture (type of sculpture) [112]

en: public art (genre of art that is created to be in a public space) [113]
en: visual arts (practice of art which creates works that are primarily visual in nature) [114]
en: art (field of work focused on creating expressive work intended to be appreciated for its beauty or emotional power (use Q838948 for the resulting work)) [115] this was unexpected here as it indicates art (field of work, not the resulting work) !!!!!!

Fixed [116] Swpb (talk) 17:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Minden sundown siren (Q119526919) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

Minden sundown siren (Q119526919) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: civil defense alarm (signal for emergency population warning) [117]

en: warning (signal used to warn of danger) [118]
en: social object [119]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [120] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

en: Model 5 (outdoor warning siren model manufactured by Federal Signal Corporation) [121]

en: electromechanical siren (outdoor warning siren that relies on an electric motor to produce sound) [122]
en: civil defense alarm (signal for emergency population warning) [123]
en: warning (signal used to warn of danger) [124]
en: social object [125]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [126] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!

Fixed: [127], [128]. Swpb (talk) 16:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Minden sundown siren (Q119526919) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Model 5 (outdoor warning siren model manufactured by Federal Signal Corporation) [129]

en: omnidirectional siren (stationary outdoor warning siren that produces sound in all directions) [130]
en: civil defense alarm (signal for emergency population warning) [131]
en: warning (signal used to warn of danger) [132]
en: social object [133]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [134] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!

Fixed [135] Swpb (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Pillars of Hercules (Q152854) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: mythical location (place that only exists in myths, legends and folklore) [136]

en: mythical entity (entity that only exists in myth and legends) [137]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [138] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!

It appears in myth, describes real location, with real objects (mountains) given fictional genesis Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Fixed: [139]. Simply, the item describes the real landform. It doesn't matter that its name derives from myth; the place itself is not mythical. Swpb (talk) 18:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Coastal Plain (Q59773603) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology [edit]

en: physiographic province (mid-level region in the Fenneman model of physiographic regionalization) [140]

en: physical geography (one of the two major subfields of geography) [141]
en: natural science (branch of science about the natural world) [142]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [143]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [144]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [145]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [146] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!

object is real, classification is abstract. Not sure how it should be handled.

But surely it is not "branch of science about the natural world" Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I cancelled subclass of (P279) indeed, it's conflating a classification about objects by geography to the science that defines and studies them. Replaced with studied by Search, it's better. It seems to have solved the problem according to classification.js who noted 2 disjointness violations and gives none now. author  TomT0m / talk page 19:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Interflora (Q692179) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Telegraphic address (unique identifier code for a recipient of telegraph messages) [147]

en: address (collection of information that describes the location of a building, apartment, or other structure) [148]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [149]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [150]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [151]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [152]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [153]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [154]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [155] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [156] Swpb (talk) 18:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Memorial Cemetery (Q121636353) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: horticultural monument (national designation of Croatia) [157]

en: heritage register (register listing items having heritage value) [158]
en: inventory (detailed list of items owned, collected, or otherwise accrued) [159]
en: catalogue (enumeration of items systematically arranged for a specific purpose, usually with brief descriptive information included in each entry) [160]
en: knowledge organization system (generic term used in knowledge organization about authority files, classification schemes, thesauri, topic maps, ontologies etc.) [161]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [162]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [163] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!

Fixed [164] Swpb (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

National Fruit Collection (Q41015695) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: catalogue (enumeration of items systematically arranged for a specific purpose, usually with brief descriptive information included in each entry) [165]

en: knowledge organization system (generic term used in knowledge organization about authority files, classification schemes, thesauri, topic maps, ontologies etc.) [166]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [167]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [168] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!

Fixed [169] Swpb (talk) 16:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Q60458676 is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: house mark (mark of property, later also used as a family or clan emblem, incised on the facade of a building, on animals, in signet and similar in the farmer and burgher culture of Germany and Scandinavia) [170]

en: Letters, words and symbols in heraldry (heraldic charge) [171]
en: artificial figure (category of heraldic charges) [172]
en: mobile charge (heraldic charge not tied to the size and shape of the shield, may be placed in any part of the field; symbolic representation of a person, animal, plant, object, building, simple geometric shapes or other device, usually stylized) [173]
en: charge (heraldic motif; an ordinary, common charge or symbol) [174]
en: motif (in the visual arts, individual design element, alone or combined to produce a pattern) [175]
en: pattern (discernible spatial or temporal regularity in the world or in a man-made design) [176]
en: regularity (abstract concept describing something that appears more than once with a certain space or time between the occurances) [177]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [178] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!

Fixed [179] Swpb (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Q112102215 is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: pantheon (collection of gods of a particular religion or mythos) [180]

en: group of mythical characters (group of characters that only appears in myths and legends) [181]
en: mythical collective entity (collective entity that only appears in myths and legends) [182]
en: mythical entity (entity that only exists in myth and legends) [183]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [184] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!

Fixed [185] Swpb (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Alte Oder (Q436065) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: collective noun (collection of things taken as a whole) [186]

en: noun (word that functions as the name of a specific object or set of objects) [187]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [188]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [189]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [190]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [191]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [192]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [193]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [194] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!

wikipedia article seems about specific one...

Fixed: [195]. The Wikipedias differ on referring to all or a specific one, but either way it/they are physical. Swpb (talk) 16:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Ruhender Mann (Q111582772) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: motif (in the visual arts, individual design element, alone or combined to produce a pattern) [196]

en: pattern (discernible spatial or temporal regularity in the world or in a man-made design) [197]
en: regularity (abstract concept describing something that appears more than once with a certain space or time between the occurances) [198]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [199] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!

Fixed [200] Swpb (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Planetstien (Q12331941) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: planet trail (walking route which has a scale model of the solar system) [201]

en: Solar System model (model to illustrate the positions and motions of bodies in the Solar System) [202]
en: scientific model (scientific representation aiming to understand, define, quantify, visualize, or simulate the world) [203]
en: conceptual model (representation of a system, made of the composition of concepts) [204]
en: knowledge organization system (generic term used in knowledge organization about authority files, classification schemes, thesauri, topic maps, ontologies etc.) [205]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [206]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [207] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!

Fixed: [208]. Swpb (talk) 16:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Markuszentum Sindelfingen (Q98113446) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

Unexpected type Q2388039 undocumented format

en: nursing (caring for people who are sick or injured) [209]
en: medicine (field of study for diagnosing, treating and preventing disease) [210]
en: health sciences (applied sciences in healthcare) [211]
en: life sciences (branch of science about life) [212]
en: natural science (branch of science about the natural world) [213]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [214]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [215]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [216]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [217] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!

Fixed [218] Swpb (talk) 17:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

calanchi di Montemaggiore (Q123399000) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: badlands (type of heavily eroded terrain) [219]

en: terrain (vertical and horizontal dimension of land surface) [220]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [221] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [222] Swpb (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Q30946171 is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: toponym (name for a geographical entity or location) [223]

en: abionym (name of an inanimate being) [224]
en: proper noun (grammatical concept) [225]
en: noun (word that functions as the name of a specific object or set of objects) [226]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [227]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [228]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [229]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [230]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [231]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [232]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [233] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!

Fixed [234] Swpb (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Q48927879 is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: toponym (name for a geographical entity or location) [235]

en: abionym (name of an inanimate being) [236]
en: proper noun (grammatical concept) [237]
en: noun (word that functions as the name of a specific object or set of objects) [238]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [239]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [240]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [241]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [242]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [243]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [244]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [245] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!

Fixed [246] Swpb (talk) 18:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Douglas Bay Horse Tramway (Q1252047) is a public transport network, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: tram system (system of railway tracks using tramcars to facilitate public transport) [247]

en: public transport network (network for public transport) [248] this was unexpected here as it indicates a public transport network !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if that is valid - how I am supposed to distinguish single line tram system from actual large tram systems? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Fixed: [249]. Single lines should be instances of tram line (Q27997185). Swpb (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Asten correctional facility (Q20170666) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: forensic psychiatry (medical specialty) [250]

en: medical jurisprudence (branch of science and medicine) [251]
en: jurisprudence (theoretical study of law, by philosophers and social scientists) [252]
en: social science (academic disciplines concerned with society and the relationships between individuals in society) [253]
en: social sciences and humanities (an area of scholarly activity) [254]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [255]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [256]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [257]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [258] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!

Fixed [259] Swpb (talk) 18:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Weight Watchers diet (Q84763014) is a food, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: diet (specific kind of diet, i.e. a strategy of regulating the intake of food to achieve or maintain a specific health-related goal) [260]

en: diet (sum of food consumed by an organism) [261]
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2095

Fixed [262] Swpb (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Landeskirchenamt Hannover (Q1802284) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: administration (management of organization) [263]

en: humanities (study of the products of human culture such as art, historical artifacts etc) [264]
en: social sciences and humanities (an area of scholarly activity) [265]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [266]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [267]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [268]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [269] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!

Fixed [270] Swpb (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Q108761333 is a food, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: drinking water (water safe for consumption) [271]

en: drink (kind of liquid which is specifically prepared for human consumption) [272]
en: food (any substance consumed to provide nutritional support for the body; form of energy stored in chemical) [273] this was unexpected here as it indicates a food !!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [274] Swpb (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Die Currywurst (Q1211914) is a food, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: take-out (prepared meal or other food items, purchased at a restaurant or fast food outlet to be consumed offsite) [275]

en: food (any substance consumed to provide nutritional support for the body; form of energy stored in chemical) [276] this was unexpected here as it indicates a food !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [277] Swpb (talk) 16:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Q18889101 is a food, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Würstelstand (Austrian street food retail outlet) [278]

en: street food (ready-to-eat food or drink served on a street) [279]
en: fast food (food prepared and served quickly) [280]
en: human food (food eaten by Homo sapiens) [281]
en: food (any substance consumed to provide nutritional support for the body; form of energy stored in chemical) [282] this was unexpected here as it indicates a food !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: food (any substance consumed to provide nutritional support for the body; form of energy stored in chemical) [283] this was unexpected here as it indicates a food !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [284] Swpb (talk) 18:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Motorworld Village Metzingen (Q108311514) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: property management (operation, control, and oversight of real estate and physical property) [285]

en: asset management (any system that monitors and maintains things of value to an entity or group, including both tangible and intangible assets) [286]
en: engineering (applied science) [287]
en: applied science (discipline that applies existing scientific knowledge to develop more practical applications) [288]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [289]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [290]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [291]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [292] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: economic activity (human activity involving the transfer of goods or services) [293]
en: intentional human activity (human activity driven by purposeful motives) [294] this was unexpected here as it indicates an intentional human activity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: business administration (administration of a profit-oriented enterprise) [295]
en: administration (supervising, organizing and coordinating the execution of tasks and people) [296]
en: human behavior (array of physical actions and observable emotions associated with humans) [297] this was unexpected here as it indicates a human behavior !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [298] Swpb (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hohe Lug (Q21881813) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: field name (local designation for a piece of land (toponymy)) [299]

en: endonym (name used by a group to refer to themselves, to their language, or to a geographical place in their territory) [300]
en: abstract noun (noun, with which somewhat non-representational is designated) [301]
en: noun (word that functions as the name of a specific object or set of objects) [302]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [303]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [304]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [305]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [306]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [307]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [308]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [309] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [310] Swpb (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Pons (Q873700) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: imprint (trade name under which works are published; a publishing division of a publishing company) [311]

en: trade name (name which a business trades under for commercial purposes) [312]
en: wordmark (stylized text-only representation of a brand used for identification and branding) [313]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [314]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [315]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [316]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [317]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [318]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [319]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [320] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed [321]. "Pons" is an imprint (trade name), but the item refers to the company, not its name. Swpb (talk) 19:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Werkfall (Q21876578) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: mining (extraction of valuable minerals or other geological materials from the earth) [322]

en: engineering (applied science) [323]
en: applied science (discipline that applies existing scientific knowledge to develop more practical applications) [324]
en: science (systematic system that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [325]
en: knowledge system (systems of knowledge produced over time through interactions with other human beings) [326]
en: conceptual system (system composed of non-physical objects, i.e. ideas or concepts) [327]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [328] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!

Fixed [329] Swpb (talk) 19:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Amazone zu Pferde (Lustgarten) (Q24036911) is art (field of work, not the resulting work), according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: architectural sculpture (type of sculpture) [330]

en: public art (genre of art that is created to be in a public space) [331]
en: visual arts (practice of art which creates works that are primarily visual in nature) [332]
en: art (field of work focused on creating expressive work intended to be appreciated for its beauty or emotional power (use Q838948 for the resulting work)) [333] this was unexpected here as it indicates art (field of work, not the resulting work) !!!

Fixed [334] Swpb (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


apparently missing wikidata entries[edit]

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name:etymology:wikidata:missing#values lists cases where feature is named after person/object/thing with no Wikidata entry.

Presumably this Wikidata entries should be created

Would it be useful to report somewhere?

Items that may be correct as they are[edit]

Kappa Kappa Kappa (Q6367049) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: fraternity (collegiate social organization for men) [335]

en: fraternities and sororities (social organizations at colleges and universities) [336]
en: social organization (pattern of relationships between and among individuals and social groups) [337]
en: pattern (discernible spatial or temporal regularity in the world or in a man-made design) [338]
en: regularity (abstract concept describing something that appears more than once with a certain space or time between the occurances) [339]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [340] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!

This is correct; it is an organization without physical substance. Swpb (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Santa Casa da Misericórdia de Soure (Q64555514) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: confraternity (generally a Roman Catholic or Orthodox voluntary association of lay people) [341]

en: Sodality (also a lay organization in the Roman Catholic Church) [342]
en: sodality (non-kin group organized for a specific purpose and frequently spanning villages or towns) [343]
en: social organization (pattern of relationships between and among individuals and social groups) [344]
en: pattern (discernible spatial or temporal regularity in the world or in a man-made design) [345]
en: regularity (abstract concept describing something that appears more than once with a certain space or time between the occurances) [346]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [347] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!
  • Organizations are platonic objects and not physical objects, so I don't see the problem here. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
    • "nonphysical object" would be fine. But "entity that exists outside physical reality" is not true. "number 1", "NGO" is "abstract entity - entity that exists outside physical reality". While specific organisation is nonphysical but existing within reality Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Subject matter expertise needed[edit]

Jesus (Q302) is a fictional entity, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Salvator Mundi (title of Jesus and subject in Christian iconography) [348]

en: Salvator [349]
en: Messiah (saviour or liberator of a group of people, most commonly in the Abrahamic religions) [350]
en: fictional religious occupation (religious occupation which only exists in a work of fiction) [351]
en: fictional entity (entity that only exists in a work of fiction) [352] this was unexpected here as it indicates a fictional entity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

en: historical character (character in works of fiction inspired by an actual person in history, often heavily romanticized) [353]

en: fictional character (fictional human or non-human character in a narrative work of art) [354]
en: fictional entity (entity that only exists in a work of fiction) [355] this was unexpected here as it indicates a fictional entity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

en: film character (fictional character appearing in a film) [356]

en: fictional character (fictional human or non-human character in a narrative work of art) [357]
en: fictional entity (entity that only exists in a work of fiction) [358] this was unexpected here as it indicates a fictional entity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

This in general is a pretty problematic mess in many aspects.

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The solution would be the same as that discussed for other biblical figures with evidence of historicity: one item for the historical person, and one for their biblical representation. It would be best for someone with topic expertise to sort out which statements and links belong to which of those two items. Swpb (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Andorra (Q228) classified as goods and services[edit]

principality (Q208500)

manorialism (Q1550557)
landed property (Q845132)
property (Q1400881)
goods (Q28877)
goods and services (Q2897903)

manorialism (Q1550557) currently conflates an economic system and properties held under that system. To the extent that principalities are or were manorial properties, they are goods. The question of whether all instances of principality (Q208500), and Andorra in particular, are also instances of manorialism (Q1550557) needs a subject-matter expert. Swpb (talk) 20:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, nowadays Andorra cannot be simply bought. So at least some qualifiers would be needed Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 22:42, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, probably end time (P582) at least. Swpb (talk) 13:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Posted to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Andorra_(Q228)_classified_as_goods_and_services Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2023/11#Andorra_(Q228)_classified_as_goods_and_services - remained unfixed Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Unsolvable?[edit]

imprints and publishers[edit]

Verlag Ferdinand Schöningh (Q1298441) is an object that exists outside physical reality, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: imprint (trade name under which works are published, often corresponding to a division of a publishing company) [359]

en: trade name (name which a business trades under for commercial purposes) [360]
en: wordmark (stylized text-only representation of a brand used for identification and branding) [361]
en: name (word or phrase used for identification) [362]
en: word or phrase (sequence of one or more words) [363]
en: linguistic form (any meaningful unit of speech such as word, phrase, sentence, morpheme, affix (prefix, suffix, etc.) and the like) [364]
en: unit of speech (whatever the English phrase "unit of speech" means, used e.g. in the definitions in Merriam-Webster and dictionary.com) [365]
en: linguistic unit (any of a range of units of language, whether a word, phrase, clause, sentence, paragraph, whole conversation or a story, morpheme, grapheme, phoneme and syllable) [366]
en: unit (entity regarded or used as an elementary structural or functional constituent to measure, analyse or describe another entity) [367]
en: abstract entity (entity that exists outside physical reality, including abstract objects and properties) [368] this was unexpected here as it indicates an object that exists outside physical reality !!!!!!!

This represents a whole class of tricky cases – it hinges on whether the entity continued as a defined organization within a parent company, or if it became simply a name that the parent company publishes certain works under, without any corresponding internal organization. In the former case, it wouldn't strictly be an imprint, and in the latter, we'd want to put an end time (P582) on instance of = publisher (Q2085381). However, in the grand scheme, I suspect it's best to leave this type of conflation alone: imprint (Q2608849) is an accepted value class for publisher (P123), which is what these entities are overwhelmingly used for, and I suspect the degree of organizational independence of entities identified as imprints is often both A) not easily determined and B) not important enough to justify the work to separate them, and the overhead of maintaining two Q-items for each such entity. The same issue applies to brand (Q431289) and company (Q783794) generally; they are often not worth separating. So I think this belongs in the "Unsolvable" section below. Swpb (talk) 19:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Conflating offices with professions[edit]

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q449319 via https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3368517 classifies it as a profession

But it is not a specific profession, and article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Prosecutor_General_(Germany) describes rather government office

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5166910 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7583851 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55499784 have similar problem. Not sure what would be a proper fix... Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Public Prosecutor General (Q449319) is a profession, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: public prosecutor general (public office) [369]

en: prosecutor (legal representative of the state in criminal trials) [370]
en: government attorneys (type of professional employees in government) [371]
en: lawyer (legal professional who helps clients and represents them in a court of law) [372]
en: legal profession (profession of those who study, develop and apply law – as a lawyer, judge, etc.) [373]
en: profession (occupation requiring specialized training) [374] this was unexpected here as it indicates a profession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Comment That's a tricky one because the label Generalbundesanwalt beim Bundesgerichtshof applies to both the prosecutor (=person) as well as the agency they are overseeing. Maybe these two meanings should be modelled as separate items.
The same issue applies to every instance of Federal Commissioner (Q1005815) and State Commission for Data Protection (Q1802121). --Nw520 (talk) 09:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

And what worse Wikipedia articles will tend to describe both in the single article - what is not unreasonable at all. But it will explode wikidata modelling. I faintly remember we have something along lines of "is instance of: wikipedia article describing comingled topics" Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:35, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Are you looking for ambiguous Wikidata item (Q122754124)? Swpb (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Probably Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Do you think that ambiguous Wikidata item (Q122754124) would work here? Or should I put it on "Wikidata is incapable of handling it" pile? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

FYI, there are currently at least 9500 items that are both instances of position (Q4164871) or its subclasses, and subclasses of occupation (Q12737077) or its subclasses. Each item in each of those 9500 subclass chains may be a proper occupation, or it may be a subclass of position. Take head of state (Q48352) - which is it? If it's a class of positions, then it shouldn't be a subclass of statesperson (Q372436) (assuming that statesperson is an occupation), but it could have occupation (P106) = statesperson instead (if you add Q4164871 to the subject-type constraint on P106). But you will surely get complains that head of state is indeed an occupation, and a proper subclass of statesperson. The closer you look, the more the dividing line vanishes. I think you're going to have to just accept these conflations. I wouldn't apply ambiguous Wikidata item (Q122754124), as it suggests the possibility of a reasonable deconflation. Swpb (talk) 20:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

public prosecutor general (Q3368517) is a profession, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: prosecutor (legal representative of the state in criminal trials) [375]

en: government attorneys (type of professional employees in government) [376]
en: lawyer (legal professional who helps clients and represents them in a court of law) [377]
en: legal profession (profession of those who study, develop and apply law – as a lawyer, judge, etc.) [378]
en: profession (occupation requiring specialized training) [379] this was unexpected here as it indicates a profession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Síndic de Greuges de Catalunya (Q7583851) is a profession, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: ombudsperson (official representing the interests of the public) [380]

en: judge (official who presides over court proceedings) [381]
en: legal profession (profession of those who study, develop and apply law – as a lawyer, judge, etc.) [382]
en: profession (occupation requiring specialized training) [383] this was unexpected here as it indicates a profession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Conflating projects with their same-named products[edit]

Project Riese (Q320076) classified as an intentional human activity[edit]

project (Q170584)

intentional human activity (Q451967)

It is. Swpb (talk) 20:10, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I guess that it describes both constructed structures and project to build them... Not sure how to handle such case on my side Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, it's the same issue I raised here. I don't find the conflation satisfying either, but Vicarage is right that splitting all such entities is not practical. You might want to just write an exception for these into your tool. Swpb (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

KATRIN (Q316053) is a human activity, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: experiment (scientific procedure carried out to support, refute, or validate a hypothesis) [384]

en: research work (activity performed as part of scientific research) [385]
en: human activity (activity initiated by a human, intentionally or unintentionally) [386] this was unexpected here as it indicates a human activity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: test (way of checking something by interacting with it) [387]
en: intentional human activity (human activity driven by purposeful motives) [388] this was unexpected here as it indicates an intentional human activity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the same way as Project Riese (Q320076) above, I'd consider this "unsolvable" in that it's probably counterproductive to try to de-conflate the experiment (activity) from the apparatus of the same name. Swpb (talk) 20:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Conflating halls of fame as lists of awardees and as buildings[edit]

International Tennis Hall of Fame (Q52454) is an award, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: sports hall of fame (hall of fame for topics related to sports) [389]

en: hall of fame (list of outstanding individuals in a particular group, which may or may not be embodied in a literal physical structure) [390]
en: award (something given to a person or a group of people to recognize their merit or excellence) [391] this was unexpected here as it indicates an award !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Change made: [392]. Lots of instances of hall of fame (Q1046088) are intangible lists, lots are buildings, and lots refer to both. It would be impractical to have separate "hall of fame (list)" and "hall of fame (building)" classes and attempt to separate the many, many instances into those two piles. Swpb (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Walk of Fame of Cabaret (Q2345775) is an award, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: walk of fame (sidewalk or similar construction that commemorates outstanding individuals in a particular group) [393]

en: award (something given to a person or a group of people to recognize their merit or excellence) [394] this was unexpected here as it indicates an award !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somewhat fixed - see section on International Tennis Hall of Fame (Q52454) above. Swpb (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Blues Hall of Fame (Q258100) is an award, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

en: Blues Hall of Fame (award by Blues Foundation, since 2015 also a music museum in Memphis, Tennessee) [395]

en: award (something given to a person or a group of people to recognize their merit or excellence) [396] this was unexpected here as it indicates an award !!!

mixing two things in one entry again

Other[edit]

The Bitches (Q878769) (set of rocks) is a physical process, according to Wikidata ontology[edit]

part of problem is that two entities are merged together - or that single entity has two components

still, location with fast-moving tidal flow is still not a physical process

en: tidal race (fast-moving tidal flow passing through a constriction, forming waves, eddies and strong currents) [397]

en: ocean current (continuous, directed movement of ocean water) [398]
en: current (magnitude and direction of flow in a fluid) [399]
en: fluid flow (movement of fluid matter) [400]
en: motion (change in position of an object over time; a body is said to be in motion if it changes its position with respect to its immediate surroundings) [401]
en: movement (act of moving) [402]
en: behavior (actions by entities within a system) [403] this was unexpected here as it indicates a behavior !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: change (process, event or action that deviates from the present state) [404]
en: occurrence (occurrence of a fact or object in space-time; instantiation of a property in an object) [405] this was unexpected here as it indicates an event !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
en: physical process (process that can be described with physics) [406] this was unexpected here as it indicates a physical process !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing reasonable to be done. Probably not practical to have one item for the rocks and a separate item for the resulting tidal flow (process), which goes by the same name. A query for instances of tidal race (Q495844) should return this item. Swpb (talk) 19:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

List of detected issues in OpenStreetMap[edit]

(OSM issue listing is the main project, Wikidata problems are reported when they cause false positives)

more info about this list[edit]

Produced from https://github.com/matkoniecz/wikibrain/blob/master/test_wikidata_structure.py

see also Wikidata talk:WikiProject Ontology (write to me if you solved all what is posted there and here - or at least tried to solve - and want more)

note to self[edit]

adding new cases to Wikidata talk:WikiProject Ontology is fine as long as they are no more than 20% of threads there and this page is overloaded (100 unsolved cases)

ad (to be used when linking it on Wikidata talk:WikiProject Ontology): BTW, if anyone wants listing of other issues like this - see [[User:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases]] (some may be easier to solve than this one) ~~~~

Wikidata:Pump - 2023 share done and archived thread linked in one of still unsolved cases

share on #wikimedia on US Slack done in 2023

Slack share text[edit]

I want to advertise my https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Mateusz_Konieczny/failing_testcasesit is listing of cases where I discovered bogus ontology on Wikidata while trying to find bad wikipedia tagsSee https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/ and https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/53065 if fixing OSM problems is more important for you

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