Property talk:P840

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narrative location
the narrative of the work is set in this location
Descriptionthe narrative of this work is set at this location
Representsnarrative location (Q105115142)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: work (literature, film, music, everything with a narrative)
According to statements in the property:
work (Q386724), scene (Q1185607), genre (Q483394), level (Q1046315) or group of works (Q17489659)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuescan have multiple values (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExamplePaul et Virginie (Q2293012) → Mauritius Island (Q2656389)
Nineteen Eighty-Four (Q208460) → London (Q84)
300 (Q131390) → Thermopylae (Q194450)
Regency novel (Q7308027) → England (Q21)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (Q471842) → Vulcan (Q1088708)
San Francisco (Q62)
The Simpsons (Q886) → Springfield (Q151076)
Capital City (Q3176924)
Shelbyville (Q3285391)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P840 (Q20990010)
See alsofilming location (P915), set in period (P2408), set in environment (P8411), location of creation (P1071), takes place in fictional universe (P1434)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total104,858
Main statement103,77699% of uses
Qualifier1,0551% of uses
Reference27<0.1% of uses
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Value type “physical location (Q17334923), geographical feature (Q618123), geographic region (Q82794), fictional location (Q3895768), event (Q1656682), shell of an astronomical object (Q47495022), extremity (Q20203388), fictional vessel (Q18670171), outer space (Q4169), fictional spacecraft (Q14637321), facility (Q13226383), territory (Q4835091), fictional group of locations (Q111547268), fictional dimension (Q100706037), fictional parallel universe (Q47306921), fictional multiverse (Q39916781), campaign setting (Q4418079), mythical location (Q3238337), astronomical object (Q6999), fictional locality (Q108059277)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value physical location (Q17334923), geographical feature (Q618123), geographic region (Q82794), fictional location (Q3895768), event (Q1656682), shell of an astronomical object (Q47495022), extremity (Q20203388), fictional vessel (Q18670171), outer space (Q4169), fictional spacecraft (Q14637321), facility (Q13226383), territory (Q4835091), fictional group of locations (Q111547268), fictional dimension (Q100706037), fictional parallel universe (Q47306921), fictional multiverse (Q39916781), campaign setting (Q4418079), mythical location (Q3238337), astronomical object (Q6999), fictional locality (Q108059277) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P840#Value type Q17334923, Q618123, Q82794, Q3895768, Q1656682, Q47495022, Q20203388, Q18670171, Q4169, Q14637321, Q13226383, Q4835091, Q111547268, Q100706037, Q47306921, Q39916781, Q4418079, Q3238337, Q6999, Q108059277, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P840#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P840#Scope, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): version, edition or translation (Q3331189)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P840#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): fictional universe (Q559618)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P840#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P840#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Question[edit]

Can this also be used to identify the 'location' of a painting?

the location of the painting? no. as soon as a painting has a narrative, yes!--Shisma (talk) 12:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't that be motive, depicts (P180)? --Palnatoke (talk) 08:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well.. we currently have 42 paintings with a narrative location. Many of them also has the location in the motives. On the other hand, many of the depicts (P180)s are not "the motive of this painting", but "an insiginficant detail in this painting", so having a property to store "location of the motive" makes sense. --Palnatoke (talk) 09:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To me it sounds odd to have a narrative location set for a painting. Narative should be reserved for works that have some form of sequence. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:05, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Q617332[edit]

Is Q617332 the same? —Sobloku (talk) 01:01, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think so. I do not think this property is limited to films, but should be used on other works of fiction too. I have changed the property accordingly. --Haansn08 (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Real vessels as narrative locations[edit]

As currently defined this property may be used with fictional vehicles but not actual ones. Yes, it would be possible to construct an item for a fictional analog of an actual vessel and then locate the narrative there. However, that seems cumbersome, in part as it's possible to locate a narrative in a geographic location without the need to create fictional analogs of the place. There are definitely narrative works that take place on non-fictional ships, such as operas that take place entirely or in part on the Achille Lauro cruise liner or the Amistad slave ship. Films, novels, etc., too, can have vessel settings. At the same time, would we want to consider also adding real-world analogs of other constraints where fictional entities are permitted but not real ones, particular, fictional spacecraft and fictional organization?

values for The Mentalist (Q204228)[edit]

See Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Narration#narrative_location_(P840)_for_The_Mentalist_(Q204228) --- Jura 14:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tools using P840[edit]

I've developed new tools based on P840.

PAC2 (talk) 22:34, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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