Property talk:P286

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head coach
on-field manager or head coach of a sports club (not to be confused with a general manager P505, which is not a coaching position) or person
Representscoach (Q41583)
Data typeItem
Domainsports club (Q847017), human (Q5), sports team (Q12973014), sports season of a sports club (Q1539532) and sports governing body (Q2485448)
ExampleMontreal Canadiens (Q188143)Michel Therrien (Q326943)
Tracking: sameno label (Q42533363)
Tracking: differencesno label (Q55283108)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P286 (Q23909014)
Tracking: local yes, WD nono label (Q55283107)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/Archive/3#P286
Current uses7,020
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Type “sports club (Q847017), human (Q5), sports team (Q12973014), sports season of a sports club (Q1539532), sports governing body (Q2485448): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “sports club (Q847017), human (Q5), sports team (Q12973014), sports season of a sports club (Q1539532), sports governing body (Q2485448)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Type Q847017, Q5, Q12973014, Q1539532, Q2485448, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Value type “human (Q5): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Value type Q5, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Property “sex or gender (P21)” declared by target items of “head coach (P286): If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Target required claim P21, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
Property “occupation (P106)” declared by target items of “head coach (P286): If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “occupation (P106)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Target required claim P106, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), end cause (P1534): this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Allowed qualifiers, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (head coach (P286)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Contemporary, SPARQL (new)
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Discussion[edit]

Discussion[edit]

This property appears to be have been created without any regard to statements I've made, repeatedly, at the proposal stage. One cannot simply create a property for a sports team "manager" as that term is woefully ambiguous. In European soccer, and elsewhere, it seems to refer to what we in North America would call a en:Head coach. I'm sure it would inevitably be confused with en:General manager (American football), en:General manager (basketball), en:General manager (baseball) and en:General manager (ice hockey) -- in other words, all North American major league sports -- which is often shortened to simply "manager," and is a different post entirely. I've tried to disambiguate the description somewhat; feel free to improve on it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

  • I've also modified the French label to " entraîneur en chef," to disambiguate from coaches that are not head coaches. But that may be judged too Quebecois (it is widely used in the League nationale du hockey) by those of you from France. I am by no means an expert in French. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
    • Hello, I think that in non-Quebec French, en chef is not used in this circumstance, for exemple, the page fr:Entraîneur don't use en chef and to talk about other coaches, entraîneur adjoint is used. --Fawkes d 21:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
      • Another problem is, the French definition now does not match the English. This property in English cannot be used for people who train animals. A head coach or manager is not the same as a "trainer,' as it apparently is en francais. But additionally, I'd personally find the idea of a shared property for a sports trainer and animal trainer offensive and inaccurate. In Wikipedia we avoid grouping things be shared names, and in this case I'd argue that that's what sharing this property according to the French ambiguity in the term would amount to. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

What about assistant coaches?[edit]

What should we do about assistant coaches, do they need a new property? Also at least the German and English description differ here, English says "team manager or head coach", German description simply says (translated) "coach". I guess people had different opinions here what the property should be about. --Bthfan (talk) 15:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Though I guess we can use basketball coach (Q5137571) View with Reasonator View with SQID or coach (Q41583) View with Reasonator View with SQID in occupation (P106) View with SQID inside the items of such coaches. --Bthfan (talk) 23:38, 6 June 2014 (UTC)