Property talk:P1083

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maximum capacity
number of people allowed for a venue or vehicle
Representsseating capacity (Q16685058)
Has qualitymaximum (Q10578722)
Data typeQuantity
Template parameter|capacity= in en:template:Infobox stadium
Domainarchitectural structure (Q811979) and vehicle (Q42889)
Allowed valuesrange between 1 and 400000 (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed unitsnot applicable, individual seat (Q44666669) and bed (Q42177)
ExampleBrisbane Stadium (Q643328) → 52,500
SourceExternal reference, Wikipedia list article (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Robot and gadget jobsthey should be allowed
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P1083 (Q27826989)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/Archive/18#P1083
Current uses13,134
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Units: “novalue, individual seat (Q44666669), bed (Q42177): value unit must be one of listed. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1083#Units, SPARQL (new)
Range from “0” to “400000”: values should be in the range from “0” to “400000”. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1083#Range, hourly updated report, SPARQL (new)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1083#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Type “architectural structure (Q811979), vehicle (Q42889): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “architectural structure (Q811979), vehicle (Q42889)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1083#Type Q811979, Q42889, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
No bounds: values can't have any bounds (e.g. 1 not 1±0) (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: Colosseum (Q10285)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1083#No Bounds, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Integer: values should be integers (ie. they shouldn't have a fractional part) (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1083#integer, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

Discussion[edit]

What about standing room of a venue?[edit]

I think I get the idea behind this property, but at least for some venues I know it would be more applicable to talk of capacity. Often the seating capacity is not known, only the full capacity (seating capacity plus standing room) is known. I guess for some venues (like theaters) we want to know the seating capacity (as normally people sit there during a stage performance). For stadiums (sports venues in general) we want to know the "total capacity", so the number of people that are allowed in a venue during a sports event (seating capacity plus standing room). Maybe this could be reflected in the label/description in some way, not sure how. In the end the correct term for sports venues with standing room would probably be "maximum number of tickets that are be sold for this venue" as we don't really know what the maximum legal capacity is, we (usually) only know how many tickets are sold for sports events in such a venue. E.g. a sports club could sell less tickets for the standing room in this venue than are allowed by law (legal capacity) as they think this would be too uncomfortable for the spectators (just a made up example, not sure if this is realistic :) --Bthfan (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree, the English label and description should be changed. In all other languages, the label already implies the total capacity. --Pasleim (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Changed. --Denny (talk) 16:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

From the new label it's not clear that it's meant for venues. Now it's used (and erronousely did so myself) for vehicles with units such as "aircraft pilot (Q2095549)" and "passenger (Q319604)". Should we add "venue" into the label? --- Jura 14:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I think it's okay to use this property also for vehicles but I really don't like the units aircraft pilot (Q2095549) and passenger (Q319604). metre (Q11573), millennium (Q36507) etc. are units but not aircraft pilot (Q2095549). --Pasleim (talk) 16:07, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Why limit to people?[edit]

Given that we can specify units, should we broaden this property to be able to talk about the number of containers on a container ship, or the number of bullets in a gun? Bovlb (talk) 00:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Option: Object has quality (P1552) +no label (Q28443346)+numeric value (P1181) --Fractaler (talk) 10:24, 8 June 2017 (UTC)