Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/לערי ריינהארט

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

I'm going to close this per Wikipedia:Snowball clause (Q13219453). 10 opposes and no current supports is not going to pass this time. --Izno (talk) 16:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

לערי ריינהארט[edit]

Vote
RfP scheduled to end after 24 October 2013 20:00 (UTC)

Hi! The transcription of « לערי ריינהארט » is « lɛʁi ʁɑjnhɑʁt ». I started at WMF projects as user "gangleri" as admin and / or bureaucrat at some minority languages community as eo:, yi:, mi: but also at ro:. I am still an admin and bureaucrat at test.Wikipedia. Together with Niklas Laxström I starting building the "Betawiki" community (now https://translatewiki.net/) and worked on BiDirectional testing for MediaZilla. About two years ago I started working on AC (authority control issues) and "VIAF_inter_project_linking".
I would like to be able to guide language communities as eo:, yi: etc. --לערי ריינהארט (talk) 20:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Votes[edit]

  1.  Oppose, been here under month and some canvassing. Otherwise not problems. I just can't support you yet, because you're still so new on Wikidata. --Stryn (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not an native English speaker. For other non English speakers some links: canvassing (Q1033959) and http://www.thefreedictionary.com/canvassing לערי ריינהארט (talk) 00:00, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't understand. Asking people to support you on your RFA is not acceptable, and turns this into a popularity contest. --Rschen7754 00:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    To be honest, he didn't ask Niklas to vote for anything. But I agree that advertising RFPs to uninvolved users on other projects is rather unacceptable. Regards, Vogone talk 00:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    True, it is implied though. --Rschen7754 00:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2.  Oppose canvassing is not appropriate. --Rschen7754 20:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Oppose I can look past the fact the user is new with out any doubt. The fact Stryn pointed out canvassing to me is a concern. With this, what the user said in their nomination shows they have no need for administrator tools to be honest. Due to this, I took a quick look over the user and still saw no need for administrator tools. Wikidata has low administrator standards, so low that users who don't even need the tools sometimes pass, which is evident from the fact we only started inactivity desysop two/three months ago and so far have lost around 5-10 sysops from it. So that is my basis for opposing. A candidate who does not need the tools, should not expect to pass nor should expect support. John F. Lewis (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4.  Oppose (edit conflict) per the canvassing, lack of RFD work, and lack of tenure. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 20:27, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5.  Oppose Canvassing and doesn't seem to need the tools. Ajraddatz (Talk) 21:03, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6.  Oppose I have to oppose per the above. You do not need adminship to nurture a community. --Jasper Deng (talk) 21:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7.  Oppose per above --DangSunM (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Not only is the canvassing unacceptable, but in his comments below לערי has demonstrated a total inability to communicate—not just to communicate politely, but to converse in any logical manner whatsoever. This makes him fundamentally unable to be held accountable in the way administrators must be. While I accept that English is not his primary language, he appears to have declined my offer to switch to a language with which he is more comfortable. (I see no reason why admins should have to speak English at all, I should note.) As such, I can only take his comments at face value, in which case they appear to be a string of vaguely egotistical stream-of-consciousness non sequitirs. He also still hasn't explained if he even understands our core "content" policy, or if he plans to abide by it.  Strong oppose — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:18, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9.  Oppose per above. --Ricordisamoa 03:17, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10.  Oppose StevenJ81 (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  •  Question Do you understand the notability policy? In the message to Nikerabbit pointed out by Stryn, you linked to this item that you created on him. While Niklas is a nice guy, I don't believe there's an article on him on any edition of Wikipedia, nor were there any incoming links. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 12:10, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • A good point!
      • Please notive Aviv Geffen (Q733103) and the relatives there; you may see some generations.
      • I went to school where Herta Müller (Q38049) worked as a teacher in Romania. Some years ago I added wherever available the names of the translator from more then a dozen languages to her books at LibraryThing:Herta Müller including AC records (VIAF identifiers and WKP links) for the translators whereever possible. Are these people "notable"?
      • I remember the time where tha Wikipedia articles from an earyl Mediawiki developer Erik Möller (Q577729) was deleted from de.Wikipedis because of some reasons not to be discussed here.
    • Many years ago Niklas and I started to work toghether benefiting from each others skills. Today some persons may not understand what is notable on Niklas work. It depends on what they know about it. Regards לערי ריינהארט (talk) 12:39, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't disagree with you that Niklas's work is notable. We have an item on translatewiki.net, for instance. It's just that he doesn't meet our notability policy. If you have a problem with this, you can try to change how we define notability, but it's inappropriate to create pages contrary to policy.

          I'm afraid I don't really understand the rest of your reply. I'm not sure what these other people have to do with my question. (Erik Möller has an item because 12 Wikipedia editions have articles on him, for instance.) Are you having trouble expressing yourself in English? If so, feel free to reply in German; I have some German neighbors who I'm sure I can get to translate for me. (Yiddish works too. It'll give me an incentive to call my grandmother.) — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 13:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have some property to show a creator of the website? If yes, then we could use translatewiki.net (Q9376349) → created by: Niklas Laxström. --Stryn (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we do have founded by (P112) which is for example used in Wikipedia (Q52). Regards, Vogone talk 14:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) This is true. founded by (P112) would probably be applicable—I see that it's used on Wikipedia (Q52) for Jimbo and Larry, for instance. But, unless there's been a consensus I'm not aware of, the jury is still out on whether it's acceptable to create items for every possible property value. Otherwise we'd have to have items on every person alive, thanks to the parent/child/sibling properties. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 14:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A historical comment on Beta- / Nukawiki: Nukawiki was the most anarchist wiki ever. a note from Niklas from 2007 Every contributor was administrator and bureaucrat to be able to see and translate all parts of MediaWiki. As far as I can remember from my early time there no abuse / trolling was experienced there. People where atracted / invited via irc chat. See all new users receiving bureaucrat rights and an earlier log. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. 5% of Nukawiki contributors still have special rights at yi.Wiktionary in order to test Right to Left directionality issues as well as BiDirectional issues. [1] So wikt:yi: ist the last surviving anarchist wiki beside test: לערי ריינהארט (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How is that relevant? --Rschen7754 19:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Question Do we do Snowball closes here? This seems like a good candidate for that.StevenJ81 (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I personally disagree with any "snowball" closes and thus didn't close it yet. In my opinion, all users who run for a permission should realise the point when it would be beneficial to withdraw an RFP by themselves. We have no other policy than WD:UCS on this matter, though. Vogone talk 17:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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renewing this request[edit]

@לערי_ריינהארט: Moved to Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/לערי ריינהארט 2.--GZWDer (talk) 12:04, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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