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ISO 639 scope

   Not done
DescriptionThe language scope as defined by ISO 639.
Data typeItem
Domainlanguage (Q34770)
Allowed valuesindividual language, dialect (Q33384), macrolanguage (Q152559), language collection.
ExampleEnglish (Q1860) => individual language
SourceISO 639-3 (Q845956)
Robot and gadget jobsmight be imported by bot
Proposed byPathoschild
Discussion

This property would contain the language scope defined in the ISO 639-3 standard; see Scope of denotation for language identifiers for a full description. This property is of general interest — the standard is widely recognized (including by the Wikimedia Foundation for its language codes), and the scope is used by the Wikimedia language committee to determine the eligibility for new wikis. —Pathoschild 20:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

citation needed. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
duplicate of ISO 639-1 code (P218), ISO 639-2 code (P219) and ISO 639-3 code (P220)? --Pasleim (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
It's not a duplicate of those. English has ISO 639-1 code "en", ISO 639-2/3 "eng" and is an individual language. Norwegian has ISO 639-1 code "no", ISO 639-2/3 "nor" and is a macrolanguage. - Nikki (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
ISO 639-3 only includes three scopes, "individual", "macrolanguage" and "special" (see [1]), it doesn't include "dialect" or "language collection" like this proposal suggests. - Nikki (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 Support --Pasleim (talk) 16:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
We can use instance of (P31), i.e.
⟨ English (Q1860)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ instance of (P31) View with SQID ⟨ individual language ⟩
--Pasleim (talk) 08:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@Pathoschild:  Not done: no support, issues mentioned by User:Nikki were not addressed. Just use instance of (P31) per User:Pasleim. --Srittau (talk) 13:13, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@Srittau: I did not bring up any issues. I only pointed out why this property would not be a duplicate of ISO 639-1 code (P218) (etc). - Nikki (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Indictment

   Not done
Descriptionformal accusation, not at trial (compare with charge (P1595)
Representscriminal charge (Q329525)
Data typeItem
Domainpeople
Allowed valuesoffenses, crimes
ExampleJohn Doe → speeding
Robot and gadget jobsimport from WP
Motivation
discussion

 Comment Please provide a real example of how this would be used including correct item references. Also, is this the right proposal page for this property? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1:  Not done: no support, maybe a real example could help? --Srittau (talk) 13:16, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

administrator of this religious region

   Not done
Descriptionused to indicate the administrator of a region designated by a religion
Representsadministrator (Q358832)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"bishop" in en:template:Infobox diocese
"administrátor" in cs:template:Infobox - farnost
Domainparish (Q102496), diocese (Q665487)
Allowed valueshuman (Q5) with occupation (P106) → a subclass of religious leader (Q15995642)
ExampleArchdiocese of Montréal (Q672512) → Christian Lépine (Q1080966)
Q15680088 → Grzegorz Czerny (Q12018486)
Motivation

Regions designated by religions keep trying to link to their leaders using head of government (P6) or chief executive officer (P169), which isn't quite right and triggers constraint violations. These regions could probably use their own property for their leaders. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Arctic.gnome:  Not done, per User:Pasleim: director / manager (P1037) seems appropriate. --Srittau (talk) 13:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Candidates to the candidacy

   Not done
Descriptionpersons who are discussed to be potential candidates for a specific election. Not official candidates, use candidate (P726) for these. There is also successful candidate (P991).
Data typeItem
Domainelections
Allowed valuespeople, not those who are confirmed to be candidates: use candidate (P726) for actual candidates.
ExampleDoeland Government Head Election 2024 → John Doe
Discussion
  •  Support listing them with P726 doesn't seem appropriate.
    --- Jura 16:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
    • This is your own proposal. You don't need to express support for it, as has been explained more than once, already. Please provide a real example, with a real subject and a real value, matching the requested datatype; and provide a description. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
      • Pigsonthewing: I think you still haven't provide any reference for your claims. Quoting yourself isn't a reference. Repeating yourself isn't a reference either. No real value added.
        --- Jura 20:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Malformed proposal. Furthermore, "persons who are discussed" would have us recording gossip. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:51, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I quote Pigsonthewing's reason. Your example is not correctly formatted: use items from Wikidata to make a real example. --★ → Airon 90 07:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose just create an item for the auxiliary election. Actualy such items already exists, 2016 The Republicans (France) presidential primary (Q22249122) and use the regular "candidate" property with those items. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Even in general, obviously, we could use the candidate property -- if this is preferred.
      --- Jura 14:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
      • I leads to potential redundancy. Plus it's totally vague without a lot of qualifiers : you won't know which primary election is associated to this pre-candidate. But I'd support a property primary election or designated by property to link either a candidate to candidacy to the election/process that lead to his designation as a candidate or an election to its pre-elections. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
        • Not really, depending on the country, primaries might just be an internal thing of some organization. We might not even now if they are held or not. Their main function is to designate an official candidate of an organization. If people are candidates to the actual election or not can be independent of that.
          --- Jura 10:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
          • @Jura1: A final comment before this is archived (I missed the section resolved template). Here, I can set my own or anybodys name to any ballot in any political party. A political party can "protect" their ballots from such behaviour, but normally they don't. It was some noise about that in the last municipal election. A socialist in this way hijacked a seat that belonged to the nationalist party in a municipality. And a famous sports person has been elected to the municipal board several times, even if he do not like the ideas of the party he was elected to represent. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 07:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1:  Not done, no consensus. --Srittau (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Projects

   Not done
DescriptionColeção de projetos quando a propriedade usada com organizações não governamentais e entidades similares. (pt-br) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data typeMISSING
Example 1MISSING
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Motivation

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Carlos DelfinoMsgs 17:54, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@CarlosDelfino:  Not done: no support, incomplete proposal, no motivation given. --Srittau (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

degree-granting powers given

   Withdrawn
Descriptionthe date on which the power to grant academic degrees was granted to an institution of higher/tertiary education (e.g. university, university college, polytechnic, technical institute, seminary) by the relevant accreditation body
RepresentsHigher education accreditation (Q17029629)
Data typePoint in time
Domainuniversities and institutions of higher learning
ExampleGallaudet University (Q1056373) → 1864
Sourceexternal references, Wikipedia list articles, Wikipedia articles
Motivation

On English Wikipedia, "Infobox university" frequently contains multiple founding dates for university. Some universities started out as polytechnics or as non-degree-granting (or as colleges where one could study for degrees issued by other universities). In Britain, when a university has the power to grant its own degrees, is is referred to as having attained "university status", and that is marked on a number of Wikipedia article pages in the infobox. See, for instance, the English Wikipedia articles for De Montfort University (Q3551402) and Buckinghamshire New University (Q448403).

The idea is we could then the "inception" property for marking when the organisation started, and this property to mark when it formally became a degree-granting higher education institution. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Human Rights Watch identifier

   Not done
DescriptionHuman Rights Watch identifier
Data typeURL
Domaincountries mostly, but other topics as well, such as freedom of speech
Allowed valuesstring with required qualifier language of work or name (P407)
Example
Sourcehttp://www.hrw.org/
Motivation

The 7 October 2015 English Wikipedia Signpost identified the lack of human rights (Q8458) information on the Kazakhstan (Q232) English Wikipedia article. The Signpost cited reports from three human rights advocacy organizations: Human Rights Watch (Q187052), Amnesty International (Q42970), and Freedom House (Q242424). Wikidata authority control will make this information more broadly accessible over all Wikimedia sites, and the multiple languages offered by Human Rights Watch means that Wikipedias (for instance) can select the proper value for their localization. Runner1928 (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
 Not done use described at URL (P973) --Pasleim (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Amnesty International identifier

   Not done
DescriptionAmnesty International identifier
Data typeURL
Domaincountries mostly, but other topics as well, such as freedom of speech
Allowed valuesstring with required qualifier language of work or name (P407)
Example
Sourcehttps://www.amnesty.org
Motivation

The 7 October 2015 English Wikipedia Signpost identified the lack of human rights (Q8458) information on the Kazakhstan (Q232) English Wikipedia article. The Signpost cited reports from three human rights advocacy organizations: Human Rights Watch (Q187052), Amnesty International (Q42970), and Freedom House (Q242424). Wikidata authority control will make this information more broadly accessible over all Wikimedia sites, and the multiple languages offered by Amnesty International means that Wikipedias (for instance) can select the proper value for their localization. Runner1928 (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
This doesn't seem to be about Authority control. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 Comment Moved out of Authority Control. Runner1928 (talk) 16:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 Not done use described at URL (P973) --Pasleim (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Freedom House identifier

   Not done
DescriptionFreedom House identifier
Data typeURL
Domaincountries mostly, but other topics as well, such as freedom of the press
Example
Sourcehttps://freedomhouse.org
Motivation

The 7 October 2015 English Wikipedia Signpost identified the lack of human rights (Q8458) information on the Kazakhstan (Q232) English Wikipedia article. The Signpost cited reports from three human rights advocacy organizations: Human Rights Watch (Q187052), Amnesty International (Q42970), and Freedom House (Q242424). Wikidata authority control will make this information more broadly accessible over all Wikimedia sites. Runner1928 (talk) 16:18, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
 Not done use described at URL (P973) --Pasleim (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

source of material

Descriptionplace the material used was mined/quarried/found/produced
Data typeItem
Domainqualifier for made from material (P186)
Allowed valuesquarries, mines, geological formations, factories, places
ExampleMells War Memorial (Q22669973) made from material (P186) rubble (Q1225329) source of material (P2647) (as qualifier) → Doulting Stone Quarry (Q5302239)
Sourceexternal reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
Motivation

I can't find any correct way of representing this currently - the best I managed was start point (P1427) which is clearly an incorrect usage. The origin of the material used is sometimes significant, in the example above it's significant as local stone, in archaeological contexts it's often significant as something that has travelled a long way. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 02:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
I'm pretty sure we have a property lying around somewhere that can do this. "produces" is pretty close (if in fact the original creation rationale wasn't exactly this) and I'm pretty sure the inverse is currently being proposed. --Izno (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
With produces you could, for quarried/mined/manufactured material, say but the list of users would be immensely long in some cases and it is not in this context normally a significant aspect of the producing entity. It would also not be possible to use that for other materials, e.g. is fairly nonsensical, very much is nonsensical (see w:Amber Road for how many places would need to be listed). Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 01:25, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

@Thryduulf, Pigsonthewing, Nikki: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Time

   Done: race time (P2781) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptiontime recorded in a race
Representstime (Q11471)
Data typeQuantity
Template parameterfr:Modèle:Infobox Descriptif course cycliste ; time (Q11471)
Domainoccurrence (Q1190554)
Allowed valuesquantity with unit of time
Example
⟨ 2015 Grand Prix de Fourmies (Q20872499)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ time Search ⟨  17039 second (Q11574) ⟩
Motivation

I work about cycling as you know. This morning, I discover thanks to @Edoderoo: the brand new property length (P2043) and I already use this property, like in Grand Prix de Fourmies 2015. One problem is solve. For the average speed, is ask to @Sjoerddebruin:, he gives me a link, and there is a property for speed that will exist. So to have an infobox that entirely works with Wikidata, it lacks me a property to write the time of a race. I find this data on the databases like ProCyclingStats.

The time will be written on Wikidata when we realise the classifications. We have general classification of the 2015 Coupe Sels (Q20895314) as example. It lacks the time for the winner, and the gap (écart in French) for all the other cyclists. The type of data is the same, we just are interested by the gap between these cyclists and the winner. For team time trial, we use the time, and the delay (retard in French) like here. Time is expressed in hours, minutes and seconds. It is also possible we use the centièmes de secondes but it is rare.

I need your thoughts about these properties, time and gap. Another will can be bonifications sometimes used in stage races. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

PS : to be more precise, I want the possibility to write 3 h 56 min 30 s (for example) on a same line, like dates. It must be fast to complete, and very easy. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:09, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
Note that you will not be able to enter times in Hours/minutes/seconds as the "quantity with units" datatype only takes decimal numbers at the moment. Ask at Wikidata:Contact the development team for info about when this might be fixed.
Instead of the "gap" times can we just give the "race time" for each rider so one property does both jobs?
No idea what 'bonification' is but it sounds very rude in English. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 23:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I really need three properties, bonifications is a time of 10, 5 and 3 seconds winning on the general classification for the three first of a stage for the general classification. I don't have the word in english but is is maybe the same. In this case for example, we need to have a property for the time and another for the gap/delay. So, in total, it is three properties. It is not a problem if I must wait few monthes. I let a message on Wikidata:Contact the development team. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 08:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
@Filceolaire: "Bonifications" means time bonuses. --Casper Tinan (talk) 11:56, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Casper. So 'Bonification' is similar to the 'time penalties' added to competitors times in some sports except it's a time reduction. That property could be useful for a number of sports. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 21:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
@Yair rand: Fair enough. What about something like label: 'elapsed time', description: 'measured time elapsed over the course of an event'? Are there specific concerns behind wanting to keep the property more specific? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
@Joshbaumgartner: Would this be used for any event? For example, would it have a value of a number of days for long events like olympics, elections, wars, etc? If so, that would be redundant with start/end date data. I think this needs a more restrictive scope than that. --Yair rand (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick, Edoderoo, Filceolaire, Joshbaumgartner, Leo Fischer, ComputerHotline:✓ Done I created this property with a second example, in which the property is used as a qualifier:

⟨ 2011 Rotterdam Marathon (Q3039843)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩ winner (P1346) View with SQID ⟨ Wilson Chebet (Q451012)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩
race time (P2781) View with SQID ⟨  7527 second (Q11574)  ⟩

. I hope that reflects a way of use you meant to create. Lymantria (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, this is a good start! Adding a time in seconds is a bit peculiar, but I understand it's the only way we have right now. Once the user interface will be able to format this in hh:mm:ss, so far this is good help! Edoderoo (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@Lymantria: : no, it is not good, I need absolutely a time in hours minutes and seconds, that suppose a work done by the development team. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 11:11, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I am aware of that. The same problem is with personal best (P2415). Within the possibilities of this moment we cannot do better. A later conversion should not be difficult. Lymantria (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Cycling Quotient identifier (women races)

DescriptionCycling Quotient identifier (women races)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaincycle sport (Q2215841)
Example2016 Le Samyn des Dames (Q20681024) → 10989 ( http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10989 )
Motivation

I have had yesterday CQ Ranking men's race ID (P2648), it is for men races. I need a similar property for women. An url is like http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10712 where the ID is 10712. The difference with Theatricalia theatre ID (P2468) is we have men in the URL where here we have women. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Anthony59999, A.BourgeoisP, ComputerHotline, Douglasfugazi, Edoderoo:@Migrant, Sjoerddebruin, Tøndemageren, Thryduulf:

Discussion
 Support Great idea. Near in the future women races will be as important as men races
 Support Good for cyclism and Wikipedia's development. Anthony59999 (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 Support--Chris XC3000 (talk) 10:06, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Fralambert: est-ce que tu pourrais créer cette propriété et la suivante ? Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 09:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Anthony59999, Thierry Caro, Chris XC3000: ✓ Done --Fralambert (talk) 02:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Cycling Quotient identifier (cyclist, woman)

DescriptionCycling Quotient identifier (cyclist, woman)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaincycle sport (Q2215841)
ExampleChantal Blaak (Q933927) → 1665 ( http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=1665 )
Motivation

Same idea than the previous request, CQ Ranking male cyclist ID (P1541) gives the ID for men, and the word men is contained in the URL. For women, we have women in the URL, so we need another property. All the properties about CQranking will be in use in different Wikipedias thanks to Template:CQ Ranking (Q11614524), we have a similar system for Template:ProCyclingStats (Q20742687). It is a part of our project that consist to share a similar program on a big number of Wikipedia in order to be more efficient. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Anthony59999, A.BourgeoisP, ComputerHotline, Douglasfugazi, Edoderoo:@Migrant, Sjoerddebruin, Tøndemageren, Thryduulf:

Discussion
 Support Great idea. Near in the future women races will be as important as men races
 Support Good for cyclism and Wikipedia's development. Anthony59999 (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 Support --Chris XC3000 (talk) 10:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick, Anthony59999, Thierry Caro, Chris XC3000: ✓ Done --Fralambert (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Merci @Fralambert:. fr:Modèle:Cqranking a été mis à jour. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

production statistics

DescriptionStatistics about the production of something in/by the item. Mainsnak should be the produced thing, quantity and date should be qualfiers
Data typeItem
Template parametermettez les paramètres de l'infobox de Wikipédia ici s'ils existent. Exemple : « population » dans fr:Modèle:Infobox Subdivision administrative
Domainadministrative units / companies
ExampleIvory Coast: cocoa bean (qualifiers: quantity:1 MT, date: 2012)
Proposed byZolo (talk)
Discussion
I think that the only way we can use this type of data in a consistent and maintainable way is to mass-import them from external databases like faostat or the national statistics offices. It will probably include data that may not seem very significant (perhaps the banana production of Greenland), but I do not think it is a problem (except that we would need to find a solution to loading time of items). --Zolo (talk) 09:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)  Comment @Klortho: @Zolo: I think this should be replaced with properties more specific like 'Lumber production', 'Oil production', 'Electricity generated'. Should we delete this property and replace it? Would qualifiers be able to do this under one property? Mcnabber091 (talk) 06:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Mcnabber091: it could be but there are lots and lots of properties that could be created, so if we want to be that, we should at least use a much simpler property creation process. Using a generic property would follow the same logic as significant event (P793): it is easy to adapt to the specific product that we want (say light crude oil (Q1047462) instead of just "oil"), and in case a specific property is created afterwards, data can still be transferred. --Zolo (talk) 08:48, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@Zolo: Ok that makes sense, thanks for explaining that. Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

 Support Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

@Zolo, Mcnabber091: ✓ Done (after only 2.5 years) --Srittau (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


Budget

   Done: budget (P2769) (Talk and documentation)
Representsbudget (Q41263)
Data typeQuantity
Template parameterbudget in various infobox film
Domainany
Allowed valuesnumbers with currency
ExampleWikidata (Q2013) → EUR 10,000,000
Sourceinfoboxes
Robot and gadget jobs
--- Jura 13:32, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Discussion
 Support Looks good to me. Pikolas (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
cost (P2130) (usually with determination method (P459): estimation (Q791801)) works just fine for film infoboxes. The movie industry's notion of budget (retospective estimate of costs that had occured) is different from its general use anyway (plan of expenditure/revenue/etc.). – Máté (talk) 04:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 Support @Máté: A film budget is not retrospective, it is prepared in advance and used as a basis to secure financing. Same as any other budget. Danrok (talk) 12:49, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
@Danrok: oh, yes, they have a production budget, but that's usually not public. What we see in the media as budget is something else, and is retrospective. – Máté (talk) 12:56, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1, Pikolas, Danrok: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

source of income

Descriptionthe source of income of an organization (or a person?)
Representsincome (Q1527264)
Data typeItem
Domainany instance of organization or things like a web site
Allowed valuesinstance of (P31)/subclass of (P279)* → business model (Q815823)
Example
Sourceinfoboxes
Robot and gadget jobsimport data from infoboxes
Motivation

The source of income of an organization is critical to understand the dynamic of an organization. Reversely, it can be super useful for someone to get a list of organization that have or don't have a certain revenue model: for instance, I'm interested in website (Q35127) or newspaper (Q11032) that don't have advertising (Q37038) has a source of income. -- Zorglub27 (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

 Support, I like this idea. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 17:12, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Zorglub27, Sjoerddebruin: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 13:02, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

D-U-N-S

   Done: D-U-N-S number (P2771) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionunique company identifier from Dun & Bradstreet
RepresentsD-U-N-S (Q246386)
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Domainbusiness (Q4830453)
Allowed valuesnine digits
ExampleLangley Holdings (Q15825279) → 548160290
SourceNational search portals, e.g. UPIK
Motivation

DUNS or D-U-N-S ist the most widely used company identifier. "More than 50 global, industry, and trade associations recognize, recommend, or require DUNS. The DUNS database contains over 220 million entries for businesses throughout the world."--Kopiersperre (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Kopiersperre, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

power consumed

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 Approved by Lymantria
   Done: power consumed (P2791) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionelectrical power consumed by an appliance
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Domainpower tools
ExampleBlack and Decker DS321 (Q23775160) → 720 watt (Q25236)
Sourceany reliable source
Robot and gadget jobspart of import of NIOSH Power Tools Database (Q17144694)
Motivation

We have a property for power generated but not consumed. This would be a useful counterpart. James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 16:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@James Hare (NIOSH):✓ Done Relaxed domain to physical tool (Q39546) to allow both (sub)subclasses power tool (Q1327701) and electrical appliance (Q2425052). Perhaps someone can look into the allowed units. Lymantria (talk) 20:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Loop ID

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 Approved by Lymantria
   Done: Loop ID (P2798) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionidentifier for a person, in the Loop database of researcher impact
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhumans
ExampleStefano Mancuso (Q23795300) → 82461
Sourcehttp://loop.frontiersin.org/
Formatter URLhttp://loop.frontiersin.org/people/$1/overview
Motivation

Loop's home page carries an endorsement from Philip Campbell (Q7183321). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

 Support Loop offers biographical information together with a list of publications. Suits authority control. Lymantria (talk) 20:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 10:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

BVMC person

   Done: BVMC person ID (P2799) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionidentifier of an author on the Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes, data.cervantesvirtual.com
RepresentsBiblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes (Q4903493)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter"1" and "id" in es:Template:Autor de la Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes
Domainelements which are instance of (P31) human (Q5), and some exceptions
Allowed valuesintegers from 3 to < 100000
ExampleFederico García Lorca (Q41408) → 273
Format and edit filter validation([3-9]|[0-9]{2,5})
Sourcehttp://data.cervantesvirtual.com
Formatter URLhttp://data.cervantesvirtual.com/person/$1
Motivation

Stable IDs from an important worldwide non-profit organization concerning Spanish language and literature. abián 01:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Abián, Strakhov, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done Happy editing. --Lymantria (talk) 06:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Beach Volleyball Database ID

Descriptionidentifier for an athlete, in the Beach Volleyball Database
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterde:Vorlage:BvDb
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleAleksandrs Samoilovs (Q537300) → 6770
Sourcehttp://www.bvbinfo.com
Formatter URLhttp://www.bvbinfo.com/player.asp?ID=$1
Robot and gadget jobsEdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

"Beach Volleyball Database" is large database for beach volleyball players. Database contains statistical information, that is useful for players referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing: ✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 15:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

FIVB beach volleyball player ID

Descriptionidentifier for a beach volleyball player, in the FIVB database
RepresentsFédération Internationale de Volleyball (Q6851)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleAleksandrs Samoilovs (Q537300) → 104357
Sourcehttp://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Player_DataDB.asp
Formatter URLhttp://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Player_DataDB.asp?No=$1
Robot and gadget jobsEdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

Fédération Internationale de Volleyball (Q6851) is the governing body of beach volleyball. Database contains statistical information, that is useful for players referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing: ✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

ISF ID

Descriptionidentifier for a sailor, in the International Sailing Federation database
RepresentsWorld Sailing (Q381929)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameteren:Template:ISAF sailor
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleHannah Mills (Q7836739) → 59279
Sourcehttps://members.sailing.org/
Formatter URLhttp://www.sailing.org/biog?memberid=$1
Robot and gadget jobsEdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

World Sailing (Q381929) is the governing body of sailing. Database contains statistical information, that is useful for athletes referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 07:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC) (By the way, as far as I know ISAF in stead of ISF is the usual abbreviation)

LPGA Tour ID

Descriptionidentifier for a golf player, in the LPGA database
RepresentsLPGA (Q27650)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameteren:Template:LPGA player
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleNatalie Gulbis (Q2361213) → natalie-gulbis/80727
Sourcehttp://www.lpga.com
Formatter URLhttp://www.lpga.com/players/$1/overview
Robot and gadget jobsEdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

LPGA (Q27650) database contains statistical information, that is useful for golfer referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done with corrected regex. Lymantria (talk) 06:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

PGA Tour ID

Descriptionidentifier for a golf player, in the PGA Tour database
RepresentsPGA Tour (Q910409)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameteren:Template:PGATour player
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[0-9]+
ExampleAdam Scott (Q350869) → 24502
Sourcehttp://www.pgatour.com/
Formatter URLhttp://www.pgatour.com/players/player.$1.html
Robot and gadget jobsEdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

PGA Tour (Q910409) database contains statistical information, that is useful for golfer referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 06:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Sherdog ID

Descriptionidentifier for an athlete, in the Sherdog database
RepresentsSherdog (Q2663560)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameteren:Template:Sherdog
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleRandy Couture (Q352733) → 166
Sourcehttp://www.sherdog.com/
Formatter URLhttp://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=$1
Robot and gadget jobsEdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

Sherdog (Q2663560) database contains statistical information, that is useful for athlete referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 06:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

YandexMusic album ID

DescriptionThe identifier for the album in the database Yandex.Music
RepresentsYandex Music (Q4537983)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainalbum (Q482994)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleQ23309022 → 1924281
Sourcehttps://music.yandex.ru/album
Formatter URLhttps://music.yandex.ru/album/$1
Motivation

Yandex Music (Q4537983) database contains music albums in the public domain, which will be useful in the articles of the relevant records. ID will be used in the [2].--AleUst (talk) 15:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@AleUst: Earlier today I created this property. Apperently the edit to this propositions page did not succeed. But here it is! Happy editing. Lymantria (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Belgian Football ID

DescriptionIdentifier for a player, on the official Belgian football federation website
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameternone
Domainassociation football (Q2736)
Allowed valuesrange 1-9999
ExampleDaniel Van Buyten (Q44309) → 2477
Sourcehttp://www.belgianfootball.be
Formatter URLhttp://static.belgianfootball.be/project/publiek/jrinteren/speler_PH_$1.htm
Robot and gadget jobsno
Motivation

The official Belgian football federation website (http://www.belgianfootball.be) has a complete list of every Belgium international football players, including every match they were called for + the majority of players who were called in youth national teams (+ matches). This ID will facilitate the input of a reference with this website for every player listed on it (around 2650 actually).

I've already created a similar template on the French Wikipedia (Modèle:Fiche urbsfa) to add a formatted standardized reference for international careers of Belgian football players. As I've seen several similar ID's on wikidata (soccerbase, NFT, ...), I'd like to add this one too, so it could be used on every wikipedia. BelgoFoot (talk) 11:28, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@BelgoFoot: ✓ Done (by ‎Lymantria). --Edgars2007 (talk) 08:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

MegogoID

   Done: Megogo ID (P2826) (Talk and documentation)
DescriptionThe identifier for the film in the database Megogo
Representsmegogo.net (Q4043924)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]+
ExampleBattle for Sevastopol (Q16692754) → 1820951
Sourcehttp://megogo.net/ua
Formatter URLhttp://megogo.net/ua/view/$1
Motivation

Large ukrainian database of films, wonderful replacement uk:template:Megogo title Максим Підліснюк (talk) 22:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Максим Підліснюк:✓ Done Happy editing! --Lymantria (talk) 20:36, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Code letters

   Withdrawn
Descriptionmethod of identifying ships before the introduction of modern navigation aids
Representsinternational maritime signal flag (Q1671640)
Data typeString
Domainships
ExampleGlückauf (Q828584) → KRBH
SourceWikipedia articles, books, ship registers
Robot and gadget jobsPossibly bots could do.
Motivation

This is effectively a unique ID for a older vessels. Danrok (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I think that this property could double-up for use with modern day radio call-signs which seem to be the same format. Danrok (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 Question @Danrok: Are you withdrawing this proposal, or do you still see it as useful? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Discussion
@Joshbaumgartner: Not withdrawing it. As far as I can see, it is very useful because it is a unique ID. Radio call-sign and code letters are basically the same thing and should share this property. Danrok (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 Support as proposed. Thanks for the clarification, Danrok. Would it make sense to add a filter to this property? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 Question @Danrok: How certain are we that older vessels carry unique codes? Is there something like a partial source you can show as an example? Lymantria (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
@Lymantria: "no two ships bore the same code letters at the same time" quoted from the Wikipedia article. Either way, this property is definitely needed, it is the predecessor to IMO ship number (P458). The subject item in the proposal should be international maritime signal flag (Q1671640), instead of international maritime signal flag (Q1671640). Danrok (talk) 21:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
@Danrok: I suppose you mean code letters (Q5140072) for the subject? I understand from [:en:Call sign]] that when it comes to combination with call signs, the ship code may contain numerals as well. Would [0-9A-Z]+ make sense as regex for allowed values? Lymantria (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
@Lymantria: Yes, it is a string of alpha-numeric characters. Spaces and lower-case a-z should also be allowed. For example, Mercury-Redstone 3 (Q623903)'s radio call sign was "Freedom 7". Danrok (talk) 12:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
So, I think it may be best to use this existing property call sign (P2317) to cover all call signs, including the older "non-radio" maritime code letters. Danrok (talk) 13:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree, but then descriptions of call sign (P2317) have to be adjusted. I can consider this request withdrawn? Lymantria (talk) 13:57, 28 April 2016 (UTC) (forgot to @Danrok:)
As said above, this property can double-up as call sign (Q353659). Danrok (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done I consider this request withdrawn, in favour of use of call sign (P2317) for this matter. Lymantria (talk) 07:43, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Rolling stock

   Not done
DescriptionTypes of rail vehicle or train used on this railway line, or items describing them
Data typeItem
Template parameter"stock" in en.wiki's Template:Infobox station (Q5898006), "materiale rotabile" in it.wiki's Template:Infobox metro line (Q7640833)
Domainrailway line (Q728937)
Allowed valuesmode of transport (Q334166) or items about them
ExampleMilan Metro Line 1 (Q2400801) → Milan metro line 1 railcars (Q16551620), AnsaldoBreda Meneghino (Q3854648)
Motivation

Useful to describe a specific transport line. --★ → Airon 90 11:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Ping me if you need my attention, please.

Discussion
  1. I translated the description but I don't think it is written correctly in English
  2. Your edit to domain is not correct: please see the example I proposed
--★ → Airon 90 18:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
@Airon90: Thank you for the translation; I'll tweak it. Yes, I saw your example; the left-hand part, is Milan Metro Line 1 (Q2400801), which is a railway line. That is the "domain". The right-hand side, Milan metro line 1 railcars (Q16551620), AnsaldoBreda Meneghino (Q3854648), are examples of "allowed values". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:41, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm a very stupid boy! Thank goodness I study mathematics and I work daily with domain of a function (Q192439)!
I don't think you corrected my translation: I fear that under this definition the item Milan metro line 1 railcars (Q16551620) wouldn't be a correct value
--★ → Airon 90 18:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
That's why I included "...or items describing them". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

@Airon90:  Not done: item operated (P121) seems to suffice at this point, since it has been broadened in the past. --Srittau (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

@Srittau: I had to change the Italian name and description of the property as it was outdated and limited to airplanes. Thank you very much! --★ → Airon 90 10:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


fleet or registration number

Descriptionthe fleet number or registration of the vehicle
Data typeString
Template parameter"fleetnumbers" in en:template:Infobox Locomotive
Domainvehicles, events (accidents)
Example
Sourceexternal reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
Motivation

The number of an individual vehicle is often a noted fact, especially for rail locomotives. There are two use cases for this I can think of, the first is on items about individual vehicles and the second is on items about notable events (e.g. accidents) where that vehicle is significantly involved (where it would be used as a qualifier to item operated (P121). aircraft registration (P426) exists for aircraft and is used in a broadly similar way, and IMO ship number (P458) exists for ships but I'm don't that merging or generalising those would be a good idea - indeed it might be better split this proposal into separate properties for rail vehicles and road vehicles? Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 15:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
@Snipre: That would prevent validation of values. Code letters are always letters as far as I know. Plus, there's also another one for ships called Official Numbers [3], a system which came after code letters, and before IMO ship numbers. These unique IDs are very important because they allow for the finding of a ship on say the Lloyd's Register, and other official paperwork, archives, etc. I need to read-up more on official numbers before making a proposal on that. Danrok (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Thryduulf, Joshbaumgartner, Danrok, ArthurPSmith: ✓ Done: Majority of people agree that this is a useful property and not the same as inventory number (P217). --Srittau (talk) 23:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

exUSSR station code

Descriptionunique railway station/operation point code used in USSR and later in former-U0SSR countries
RepresentsESR station code (Q4173954)
Data typeString
Template parameter"код ЄМР" in uk:Шаблон:Станція, "код АСУЖД" in ru:Шаблон:Железнодорожная станция
Domainstation building (Q1339195), railway station (Q55488), operation point (Q832084), junction (Q336764), block post (Q350114),railway stop (Q55678), block post (Q350114), passing loop (Q784159), railway company (Q12105635), business (Q4830453), enterprise (Q6881511) and maybe company (Q783794)
Allowed values\d{2,6}
Example
Format and edit filter validation\d{2,6}
Sourcehttp://tr4.info/ etc.
Formatter URLhttp://tr4.info/station/$1 (for stations) http://tr4.info/railway/$1 (for Railway companies)
Robot and gadget jobsimport from infoboxes
Motivation

exUSSR Railways uses two code systems of infrastructure elements. Main one - United Network Razmetka (or Automated System of Railway Transport Administration) (ru: ЕСР), other one - UIC system UIC station code (P722).

In this code system exUSSR regional Railway companies has 2-digit code, their operated stations and operation points — 6 digit code, with 2 first means operator. Sometimes, more rarely, is used 5 or 4 code system, but first 4 digits always the same.

For now users put this code in station code (P296), which may disambigulate with other code systems. Avatar6 (talk) 09:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
Could someone explain wtf the expected way of entering numbers and abbreviations for train stations? There'd be a lot of properties to create if this is the way to go, while others were deleted in the past… --Nenntmichruhigip (talk) 10:18, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I explain - each property should be asotiated with standard, system (that has an item, explaining it), that has a unique identifiers for each members (but may not have, sometimes), .. to not be deleted in the past.--Avatar6 (talk) 16:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 Comment Looks like this should be datatype:string, not number (albeit with the given regular expression limiting it to digits). Also, please provide an example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Datatype changed,. Thank you for the examples. However, we can't have different formatter URLs for each type. Perhaps we need two properties? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:22, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't prefer to enlarge properties fot same meanings... but if we set this property for railway company like 450000 - it could disambig wth station that has a code 450000. of course infoboxes should truncate codes for each type of infrastructure, but we loose uniquety in restrictions.. I do not know the best way to go.--Avatar6 (talk) 16:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

@Avatar6: ✓ Done using external-id as datatype. --Srittau (talk) 23:00, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

via

   Done: via (P2825) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionintermediate point on a journey - stopover location, waystation or routing point
Representslayover (Q3057799)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"plane1_stopover", "plane2_stopover", etc in en:template:Infobox aircraft occurrence
Domainjourneys, routes (e.g. scheduled flights), events involving vehicles
Allowed valuesplaces: airfields, railway stations, bus stations, settlements, ports, motorway service stations, roads, waterways, etc.
Example2016 Turøy helicopter crash (Q23939125) → Gullfaks (Q588383); British Airways Flight 009 (Q435605) → Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport (Q504368), Chennai International Airport (Q502670), Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport (Q1431802), Perth Airport (Q45935), Melbourne Airport (Q733738)
Sourceexternal reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
Robot and gadget jobsimport from infoboxes possible
Motivation

I noticed this missing when adding the entry for 2016 Turøy helicopter crash (Q23939125), a flight from Bergen Airport (Q619980) to Bergen Airport (Q619980) via Gullfaks (Q588383). I'm unsure whether we need separate properties for actual stops and intermediate points where the vehicle doesn't stop (a distinction possibly more common in land travel than air travel). I've chosen to propose a single one here, but I'm in no way opposed to two if people prefer that. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 20:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
 Support Sounds useful for the reasons listed. --Srittau (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, let's start with just one property. We can always add another if it turns out we need it. --Srittau (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

@Thryduulf, Srittau, Jura1:✓ Done as subproperty of location (P276) and with constraint that start point (P1427) and destination point (P1444) should be used as well. Happy editing! Lymantria (talk) 20:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Joint Electronics Type Designation Automated System Designation

DescriptionUnclassified designator for United States military electronic equipment
Data typeExternal identifier
ExampleAN/MPQ-64 Sentinel (Q564415) → AN/MPQ-64
Sourcenumerous external sources including w:List of military electronics of the United States and [5] as examples
Motivation

The Joint Electronics Type Designation Automated System designator is an official identifier for United States military electronic equipment and uniquely identifies radar systems, sonar systems, communications systems, radio systems and other electronic equipment. Military standard 196 (MIL-STD-196) (available at [6]) defines the format of the designator in detail.

Discussion

number known to exist

   Not done
Descriptionnumber of specimens or examples of a type which are known to exist at a given point in time
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
DomainMany types of items, e.g.ː historic aircraft, artistic works, archaeological artifacts, dinosaur species
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
ExampleAvro Vulcan (Q218931) → 19
Archaeopteryx (Q100196) → 11
The Scream (Q471379) → 4
Motivation

For types of items of which a limited number are known to exist, such as historical, archaeological, or paleontological specimens. Subproperty of quantity (P1114). Where applicable, qualify with point in time (P585) and has list (P2354). Swpb (talk) 14:47, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Isn't this just a quantity with an unknown upper bound? We should be able to represent that instead, if we can't already. --Izno (talk) 16:15, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


By-product / by-product of (inverse properties)

   Done: by-product (P2821) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionproduct of a chemical or industrial process, of secondary economic value
Representsby-product (Q1128255)
Data typeItem
DomainProcesses, or processing facilities
Allowed valuesMaterials
Exampleanimal husbandry (Q80962) → manure (Q185716)
natural-gas processing (Q2287558) → helium (Q560)
   Done: by-product of (P2822) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionchemical or industrial process which produces the item as a by-product
Representsby-product (Q1128255)
Data typeItem
DomainMaterials
Allowed valuesProcess, or processing facility
Examplemanure (Q185716) → animal husbandry (Q80962)
helium (Q560) → natural-gas processing (Q2287558)
Motivation

To indicate secondary products of industrial and other processes. By-product differs from product or material produced or service provided (P1056), which indicates a primary product. Likewise, made from material (P186) may indicate a raw material (but not a process) of which the item is the primary product. Swpb (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
  •  Support Josh Baumgartner (talk) 20:38, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose since there is no limits for editor imagination. There is should be a limit to prevent "garbage" to be product of "education" (technically it is, but it is not useful data at all). -- VlSergey (трёп) 10:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support as proposed. Just because something could potentially be misused (which applies to every property here) does not negate the benefits of it being used properly. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 11:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Property proposal does not define it as misusing, proposal allows and encourages adding all (notice the difference with P1056 in description) possible outputs of any process to this property. Any editor is encouraged to add almost anything in a way "hey, you forgot that A produces not only B_1, B_2, ..., B_N, but also B_{N+1}". Data consumer just will be unable to use such wildly defined properties. -- VlSergey (трёп) 11:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
      • The proposal does not contain the word "all", or anything to that effect; relevance is no less important that with any other property. Nothing about the proposal encourages misuses like the one you suggest. Swpb (talk) 14:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
  •  Comment How is defined what of the products is primary and what is secondary? In terms of the examples given, could I not intentionally have animals to produce manure or to extract helium from natural gas as the primary product?
    • Primary products are those which are the largest drivers of the economics of the activity; those tend to be stable over time. For instance, methane brings in far more revenue for natural gas drilling operations than helium does, and the situation is set to remain that way for the foreseeable future. Likewise for cows; there are breeds of cattle specialized for dairy or beef, but not for manure, which is always of secondary or lesser value. Swpb (talk) 17:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Why are the properties defined duplicitely - should all data be duplicated? --Flukas (talk) 21:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Paired properties; Neutral on whether one or the other should be created, if any. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:56, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support. author  TomT0m / talk page 12:30, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Support Both properties could be useful, depending on the context. --Srittau (talk) 01:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Swpb:✓ Done Clear majority support. --Lymantria (talk) 17:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

amount of penalty

   Not done
Descriptionthe amount a person has to pay when sentenced to pay a fine
Representsfine (Q2842797)
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Domainqualifier for P2466fine (Q2842797)
Allowed valuesnumbers with currency as unit
ExampleTrent Hotton (Q7838410) → fine (Q2842797) qualifier "amount" 5000 Australian dollar (Q259502)
Sourceexterne referentie, lijstartikel op Wikipedia, etc.
Motivation

There is no suitable qualifier to make clear what the fine was someone had to pay when sentenced to a fine. Mbch331 (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

 Not done No consensus. Lymantria (talk) 20:30, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

cardinality

DescriptionThe measure of the number of elements if the item represents a set and the number of elements is unknown or changing. Sets with fixed amounts should use cardinality of the group (P1164) instead.
Representscardinality (Q4049983)
Data typeItem
Allowed valuesall instances of cardinal numbers (which include natural numbers and also : n (many) (Q22952775), aleph ω (Q22952698), aleph one (Q2832673), aleph null (Q1445491), beth ω (Q22952652), beth two (Q22952656))
Examplephalanx of foot (Q184494) → n (many) (Q22952775)
Sourcehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinality
Proposed byUser:Thewormsterror
Motivation

I stumbled across phalanx of foot (Q184494) that had the incorrect property of being an instance of bone. Switching this to subclass alone would be technically correct but incomplete. Having a cardinality would really help describe the concept. One could argue that in this particular case the item most likely should be renamed to Phalange of the foot (that's probably for another debate). However there are many other items where the cardinality would be handy like "Presidents of Egypt".

I found a similar property called cardinality of the group (P1164). I propose renaming that to cardinality (count) or just plainly count since it actually measures the count and doesn't deal well with sets where the count is unknown or changing. It might be brought up that another option is that we get rid of that but I think that property is handy for things where the count never changes like 'the 3 stooges' or 'the 7 dwarfs' (in snow white).

I would like to point out that very often the only cardinalities used here will be zero (Q204), 1 (Q199) and n (many) (Q22952775). By themselves zero (Q204), 1 (Q199) don't make much sense but they can used as qualifiers.

Since this is used so often in modeling it would allow us to for example to say things like a table has N legs if we reference this with the part of property. I hope people can understand what I'm getting at.

In line with the table example I also think we could have another property min cardinality, which would only allow natural numbers. 99% of the time it would be 0 or 1. But in the case of a table it would be 3. Matching that with cardinality n(many) would mean that a table has between 3 to N legs.

There are many many applications for this property and I'm surprised it doesn't exist yet since it's so common in UML, Merise and many other modeling diagrams.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thewormsterror (talk • contribs).

Discussion
@Thewormsterror: It exists, it's quantity (P1114) View with SQID. It's supposed to link a class (set) to its number of instances, originally. It may have evolved over time, as other properties in Wikidata. But this won't work for infinite set of classes however, so we need a property with item datatype. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomT0m: Basically I want to compliment the quantity property with a cardinality property. This one would basically be used for 2 main things (there are other types of cardinalities for rare situations). The first of the 2 being for things that are changing but must be N. Like Birds of North America (Q2904442) or list of presidents of Egypt (Q774262). We know they are plural but the amount often changes, hence the cardinality would be n (many) (Q22952775). But then we can also use qualifiers with properties such as part of. So you could say something like a planet is part of 0 (rogue planet) or 1 (normal planet) solar system. For this we would need 2 properties min cardinality and (max) cardinality. That is what I would prefer from this discussion. I really hope people can understand the difference from quantity here. Thewormsterror (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@Thewormsterror: I don't think your examples are useful. Wikidata has already mechanisms for changing values : several statements qualified with their dates of validity. For unknown values there is the special value unknown value Help. So I don't get your point. author  TomT0m / talk page 17:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomT0m: I'm sorry, I might not have explained well enough. I remember in my class in university not everyone understood the point of cardinality. Let me start by saying that the point of all properties on wikidata is to gather relevant information on entities and that's what I'm trying to do here. The information is not that there are 5 or 7 or 1000 elements (quantity) that are changing over time, if the cardinality is N the information is that there are a variable N amount of elements where N is set containing all natural numbers. I think why this is difficult to understand is that 99.9% of the time the cardinality will be n and will just mean that the thing can be plural. But there are a few entities that are bigger than N such as infinite set (Q205140) which has a cardinality of aleph null (Q1445491). And very often the cardinality will be fixed which I think is why you misunderstood. For example lets say that there have been 46 presidents so far, the quantity is 46, but the cardinality is N, since there can be more, if the cardinality was 46 that means that 46 is an absolute value. Furthermore I hope people can understand the cardinality is the set of allowed values and not the values themselves. So if the quantity is fixed at 5 and has always been 5, the cardinality would be the set with only one element 5, so for fixed quantity items it's easy to confuse the 2. Thewormsterror (talk) 05:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@Thewormsterror: I think I understand your point but I don't see how the "n" cardinality would be useful. The quantity (P1114) View with SQID property datatype is number and the set of values defined by this datatype is definitely a subset of Q - mod the precision information, so say an interval in Q - so there is no possible infinite values (maybe unknown value Help fits however) - plus the infinite values. In the example of phalange of the human foot we can be way more precise using the precision notion - unlikely to have a human foot or a table with 1000000 feets. author  TomT0m / talk page
@TomT0m: I think I'm pretty bad with the examples I've given here. I understand why you would think N is not very useful by itself. If it's used as a property it really only describes things as being plural. When the cardinality is used as a qualifier for properties it can be very useful though. As qualifiers the 3 main cardinalities used would be 0, 1, and N. Adding in min cardinality (I really want this too) as another property would also be amazing at describing triples. Let's say I wanted to describe a solar system. A solar system may have up to N planets and a planet is part of 0 or 1 solar systems. You would therefore say a planet is part of a solar system with min cardinality 0 and (max) cardinality 1. And a solar system has part of planet with min cardinality 0 and (max) cardinality N. The min cardinality is important because it differentiates must have and may have but really only works as a qualifier. I hope I'm getting my point across. But in this example you see where max cardinality can be 1 since a planet can not be part of more than 1 solar system. Thewormsterror (talk) 11:26, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@Thewormsterror: OK, I think I'm beginning to understand, you speaking of describing classes in a way similar to a class definition in UML for example.
For example for the solar system class you mean something like
Is that so ? I wonder then if it should be the same property as the one for mathematical sets. But yes, it could be useful and would probably help us to build a better constraint system. author  TomT0m / talk page 12:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomT0m: You got it. The reason I thought the property might as well be the same, is because the concept of cardinality is either describing an entity or a relationship. As I see it, we could either have 2 properties: min cardinality and cardinality, or 3 properties : min cardinality, max cardinality and cardinality; with min and max being for qualifiers and cardinality being only for entities. Conceptually I think the first solution is better, however the second solution is easier to understand. Thewormsterror (talk) 02:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 Support but just for the cardinality of mathematical sets at this point. Might need some thinking for number of values of properties - although we already have unique value constraint, and a value can either be unique, non unique (n) and cannot be infinite ... author  TomT0m / talk page 10:38, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm still waiting for this to be added :) if possible Thewormsterror (talk) 19:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

@Thewormsterror, TomT0m:✓ Done Created this property with some hesitation. In accordance with TomT0m I added a constraint to restrict the domain to set (Q36161). I noted that group cardinality (P1164) is related, but is restricted to finite groups and has quantity datatype. I added a "conflicts with" constraint with this property and with quantity (P1114). The latter so that you may relax the domain when all turns out to work out as expected. Happy editing! Lymantria (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

"Social Media URLs"

   Withdrawn
DescriptionMISSING
Data typeURL
Example
Motivation

Companies want to advertise themselves in Wikidata and like to use easy to remember vanity URLs instead of identifiers. Dispenser (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

 Not done Unsufficient support. Lymantria (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into implementing reverse formatter URL into the site-wide JavaScript. Dispenser (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

involved in event

   Not done
Descriptionpeople, vehicles, and other items involved in this event
Data typeItem
Domainoccurrence (Q1190554)
Example
Motivation

I was trying to describe which aircraft was involved in Flydubai Flight 981 (Q23253749). Currently there is no way to do this, except using item operated (P121) with a aircraft registration (P426) qualifier. But this seems like a misuse of item operated (P121), since this property is supposed to describe a class of vehicles used by an organization, not an individual vehicle involved in an event. Also, it does not allow to link to the item of an individual vehicle. In cases like this an item describing the vehicle involved would be quite advantageous, since it allows to capture a lot of information that is referenced in the article, like production date, ownership changes, images etc.

This property can also be used in other kinds of events, not only accidents and for other types of items, like airplanes, rail vehicles, road vehicles, ships, but also persons and other things involved in an event (that cannot be better described by a narrower property). This is the reason the property is as broad as it is and not something narrower like "vehicle involved in an event" or even "vehicle damaged in an accident". If necessary, such sub-properties could always be created later.

This is a super-property of organizer (P664) and participant (P710).

--Srittau (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  •  Comment I've been musing on something like this due to my work with rail accident entries. I am unsure though why you say that item operated (P121) would not allow the use of an item for the individual aircraft? I was thinking of creating items for the individual train services involved in rail accidents (rather than overloading applies to part (P518)/has part(s) (P527) as at e.g. Dagenham East rail crash (Q5208483)) and linking to that using item operated (P121). I'm not sure that that is the optimal solution, particularly as at Polmont rail accident (Q7225869) the train and the cow that hit are listed as separate types of property, however I'm not sure either that this is the optimal solution either. I'm leaning support but more thought is needed. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 20:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Well, item operated (P121) is currently ill-defined, because its use was broadened in some languages, but not others. Nevertheless according to both the old and the new proposal on its talk page, it is supposed to link organizations to types of vehicles (classes) (or even more broadly defined stuff) used by that organization. I wouldn't like to overload that with individual vehicles (instances) involved in events (like accidents), which - to me - is something very different. --Srittau (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose as proposed. The proposed name is vague and confusing, and reads as if its object should be the event rather than the vehicle. If the example is correct, the property should be called "vehicle involved". If the event is supposed to be the object, then the example needs to be reversed. Assuming the example is as intended, and no item exists for the individual vehicle, what's wrong with using aircraft registration (P426) as a property of the event itself, instead of as a qualifier of a statement for which there is no good existing property or object? Swpb (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
    • I am always open for better names and descriptions. But please note that this proposal is not just about vehicles, but a very general way to tie items to events. I have added another example. In the specific case of aviation accidents, it makes sense to create items for the vehicles involved. If you look at Wikipedia articles about those events, you will find detailed background information about the airframes involved, data that should be captured on Wikidata. We also have Commons categories for many individual airplanes, which could be linked to the specific vehicle involved. Similar data is available for other kinds of vehicles, for example rail vehicles. --Srittau (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
  •  Oppose - Per Srittau above, and because this information could be mined far more effectively by querying which items link to a particular event via significant event (P793). -- Netoholic (talk) 07:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done No consensus. Lymantria (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

funding source

   Withdrawn
Descriptionthe source of funding for a thing such as a publication
Data typeItem
DomainOriginally this would be used for journal articles to note where their funding comes from but it could potentially be used for anything
ExampleJob satisfaction, common cold, and sickness absence among white-collar employees: a cross-sectional survey (Q23909632) → National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)
Motivation

As part of my upload of NIOSH-funded journal articles to Wikidata I would like to be able to note that it is government-funded research. (Pinging Daniel Mietchen.) James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 15:23, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  •  Support seems a very useful general property to have. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 18:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC). Support struck, see below. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 12:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support with the caveat that the documentation clear that this be the most specific funding source which can be identified (and which is WD:N?). I don't want a bunch of items running around with U.S. Government when the specific funding organization was the Department of Energy. --Izno (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
    • In my specific use case, it is to denote scientific publications that are funded by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, part of the U.S. Department of Human Health and Services. I agree that funding sources should be precisely stated and not just "the US government." James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 20:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

anno di produzione (it) / Produktionsjahr (de) / année de production (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)

Descriptionannée de production d'un film ou d'une oeuvre, si différente de l'année la publication (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data typePoint in time
Template parameter|rok produkcji= (pl:Szablon:Film infobox)
Domainfilm/oeuvres
Examplepl:Szablon:Film infobox
Sourcepl:Szablon:Film infobox
Motivation

import données de plwiki --- Jura 13:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

exploitation visa number

Descriptionnumber of the exploitation visa of a movie in France
Representsfilm distribution certificate (Q3560977)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainAny film (Q11424) shown in a movie theater (Q41253) in France (Q142)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]* ; from 1 to 150000, films currently being shown in theatres having values around 144000.
ExampleMississippi Mermaid (Q1168045) → 34459
The Sapphires (Q2715076) → 134054
Formatter URLhttp://www.cnc.fr/web/fr/rechercher-une-oeuvre/-/visa/$1
Motivation

This is the most official and comprehensive identifier for any movie released in France. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Filmiroda rating

Descriptionrating of a film in the former (2004–2011) Hungarian film rating system
RepresentsFilmiroda rating system (Q23830574)
Data typeItem
Domainfilm (Q11424), television series (Q5398426), television series season (Q3464665)
Allowed values Category I (Q23830576), Category II (Q23830577), Category III (Q23830578), Category IV (Q23830579), Category V (Q23830580)
ExampleTinker Tailor Soldier Spy (Q681962) → Filmiroda III.
Sourcehttp://nmhh.hu/dokumentum/162838/terjesztesre_kerulo_filmalkotasok_nyilvantartasa.xlsx, http://adattar.nmhh.hu/index.php?p=film
Motivation

As it happens Hungary has been using its third motion picture rating over the last half a century. Each of them used a different set of categories and were issued by a different body. The latest one has already a property as NMHH film rating (P2363). This property would cover the second of the three. Many of these ratings are still in active use today, and a few times NMHH has also referred back to the Filmiroda ratings instead of re-rating. Thousands of values can be expected (numbering on certificates went up to 11770 but that includes non-notable releases as well). – Máté (talk) 21:27, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

EIRIN film rating

DescriptionEIRIN film rating
RepresentsEIRIN film rating category (Q23790276)
Data typeItem
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Allowed values G (Q23790275), PG12 (Q23790279), R15+ (Q23790282), R18+ (Q23790322)
ExampleUshimitsu no mura (Q11361965) -> R18+ (Q23790322)
Sourcehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eirin , http://www.eirin.jp/english/008.html
Motivation

See MPA film rating (P1657), FSK film rating (P1981), and NMHH film rating (P2363). Adding the Japan rating system will correspond with data from Freebase [7]. --Netoholic (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

CNC film rating

DescriptionCommission de classification des œuvres cinématographiques film rating
RepresentsCNC film classification category (Q23817731)
Data typeItem
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Allowed valuesno age restriction (Q23817729), no minors under twelve (Q23817740), no minors under sixteen (Q23817741), no minors under eighteen (Q23817742), X rating (Q23817743), warning (Q23817739), Prohibited (Q23837002)
ExampleFight Club (Q190050) → no minors under sixteen (Q23817741)
One Hundred and One Dalmatians (Q165512) → no age restriction (Q23817729)
Sourcehttp://www.cnc.fr/web/fr/rechercher-une-oeuvre
Motivation

It's the french film rating. Tubezlob (🙋) 19:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
@Máté: OK, good idea ! 👌 it's easier to understand --Tubezlob (🙋) 11:59, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


sound power

Descriptionthe rate at which sound energy is emitted, reflected, transmitted or received, per unit time
Representssound power (Q1588477)
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Domainanything that creates sound
ExampleBlack and Decker DS321 (Q23775160) → 97 dB re. 1pW
Sourceany reliable source
Robot and gadget jobspart of import of NIOSH Power Tools Database (Q17144694)
Motivation

James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@James Hare (NIOSH), Thryduulf, Tobias1984:✓ Done Created decibel relative to 1 picowatt (Q23977060) for the unit. Make good use of the property! --Lymantria (talk) 07:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

vibration

   Done: vibration (P2806) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionlevel of vibration measured
Representsvibration (Q3695508)
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Domainanything for which the amount of vibration can be measured
ExampleBlack and Decker DS321 (Q23775160) → 5.20 metre per square second (Q1051665)
Sourceany reliable source
Robot and gadget jobspart of import of NIOSH Power Tools Database (Q17144694)
Motivation

James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@James Hare (NIOSH), Thryduulf: ✓ Done - Please feel free to add more possible units if appropriate. Lymantria (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature ID

Descriptionidentifier of a feature on an astronomical body in the Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterTemplate:Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature (Q12981608)
Domainfeatures on astronomical bodies
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
ExampleRossby (Q19972237) → 5194
Sourcehttp://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/
Formatter URLhttp://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/Feature/$1
Motivation

There is a template for these IDs on multiple Wikipedias and there are even more links to the site as references. The data is also public domain (see last question), so if we have a mapping between the two datasets, we could later import data from there too. - Nikki (talk) 15:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
Notified participants of WikiProject Astronomy - Nikki (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

@Nikki, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 08:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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