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ISO 639 scope

   Not done
Description The language scope as defined by ISO 639.
Data type Item
Domain language (Q34770)
Allowed values individual language, dialect (Q33384), macrolanguage (Q152559), language collection.
Example English (Q1860) => individual language
Source ISO 639-3 (Q845956)
Robot and gadget jobs might be imported by bot
Proposed by Pathoschild
Discussion

This property would contain the language scope defined in the ISO 639-3 standard; see Scope of denotation for language identifiers for a full description. This property is of general interest — the standard is widely recognized (including by the Wikimedia Foundation for its language codes), and the scope is used by the Wikimedia language committee to determine the eligibility for new wikis. —Pathoschild 20:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

citation needed. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
duplicate of ISO 639-1 code (P218), ISO 639-2 code (P219) and ISO 639-3 code (P220)? --Pasleim (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
It's not a duplicate of those. English has ISO 639-1 code "en", ISO 639-2/3 "eng" and is an individual language. Norwegian has ISO 639-1 code "no", ISO 639-2/3 "nor" and is a macrolanguage. - Nikki (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
ISO 639-3 only includes three scopes, "individual", "macrolanguage" and "special" (see [1]), it doesn't include "dialect" or "language collection" like this proposal suggests. - Nikki (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support --Pasleim (talk) 16:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
We can use instance of (P31), i.e.
< English (Q1860) View with Reasonator View with SQID > instance of (P31) View with SQID < individual language >
--Pasleim (talk) 08:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@Pathoschild:  Not done: no support, issues mentioned by User:Nikki were not addressed. Just use instance of (P31) per User:Pasleim. --Srittau (talk) 13:13, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@Srittau: I did not bring up any issues. I only pointed out why this property would not be a duplicate of ISO 639-1 code (P218) (etc). - Nikki (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Indictment

   Not done
Description formal accusation, not at trial (compare with charge (P1595)
Represents Criminal Charge (Q329525)
Data type Item
Domain people
Allowed values offenses, crimes
Example John Doe → speeding
Robot and gadget jobs import from WP
Motivation
  • seems to be missing.
    --- Jura 16:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
discussion

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Please provide a real example of how this would be used including correct item references. Also, is this the right proposal page for this property? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1:  Not done: no support, maybe a real example could help? --Srittau (talk) 13:16, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

administrator of this religious region

   Not done
Description used to indicate the administrator of a region designated by a religion
Represents Administrator (Q358832)
Data type Item
Template parameter "bishop" in en:template:Infobox diocese
"administrátor" in cs:template:Infobox - farnost
Domain parish (Q102496), diocese (Q665487)
Allowed values human (Q5) with occupation (P106) → a subclass of religious leader (Q15995642)
Example archdiocese of Montréal (Q672512)Christian Lépine (Q1080966)
no label (Q15680088)Grzegorz Czerny (Q12018486)
Motivation

Regions designated by religions keep trying to link to their leaders using head of government (P6) or chief executive officer (P169), which isn't quite right and triggers constraint violations. These regions could probably use their own property for their leaders. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Arctic.gnome:  Not done, per User:Pasleim: manager/director (P1037) seems appropriate. --Srittau (talk) 13:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Candidates to the candidacy

   Not done
Description persons who are discussed to be potential candidates for a specific election. Not official candidates, use candidate (P726) for these. There is also successful candidate (P991).
Data type Item
Domain elections
Allowed values people, not those who are confirmed to be candidates: use candidate (P726) for actual candidates.
Example Doeland Government Head Election 2018 → John Doe
Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support listing them with P726 doesn't seem appropriate.
    --- Jura 16:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
    • This is your own proposal. You don't need to express support for it, as has been explained more than once, already. Please provide a real example, with a real subject and a real value, matching the requested datatype; and provide a description. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
      • Pigsonthewing: I think you still haven't provide any reference for your claims. Quoting yourself isn't a reference. Repeating yourself isn't a reference either. No real value added.
        --- Jura 20:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Malformed proposal. Furthermore, "persons who are discussed" would have us recording gossip. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:51, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I quote Pigsonthewing's reason. Your example is not correctly formatted: use items from Wikidata to make a real example. --★ → Airon 90 07:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose just create an item for the auxiliary election. Actualy such items already exists, The Republicans (France) presidential primary, 2016 (Q22249122) and use the regular "candidate" property with those items. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Even in general, obviously, we could use the candidate property -- if this is preferred.
      --- Jura 14:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
      • I leads to potential redundancy. Plus it's totally vague without a lot of qualifiers : you won't know which primary election is associated to this pre-candidate. But I'd support a property primary election or designated by property to link either a candidate to candidacy to the election/process that lead to his designation as a candidate or an election to its pre-elections. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
        • Not really, depending on the country, primaries might just be an internal thing of some organization. We might not even now if they are held or not. Their main function is to designate an official candidate of an organization. If people are candidates to the actual election or not can be independent of that.
          --- Jura 10:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
          • @Jura1: A final comment before this is archived (I missed the section resolved template). Here, I can set my own or anybodys name to any ballot in any political party. A political party can "protect" their ballots from such behaviour, but normally they don't. It was some noise about that in the last municipal election. A socialist in this way hijacked a seat that belonged to the nationalist party in a municipality. And a famous sports person has been elected to the municipal board several times, even if he do not like the ideas of the party he was elected to represent. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 07:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1:  Not done, no consensus. --Srittau (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Projects

   Not done
Description Coleção de projetos quando a propriedade usada com organizações não governamentais e entidades similares. (pt-br) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data type MISSING
Example MISSING
Motivation

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Carlos DelfinoMsgs 17:54, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

  • Google translates the pt-br description as: "Collection of projects and the property used with non-governmental organizations and similar entities.". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Discussion

@CarlosDelfino:  Not done: no support, incomplete proposal, no motivation given. --Srittau (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

degree-granting powers given

   Withdrawn
Description the date on which the power to grant academic degrees was granted to an institution of higher/tertiary education (e.g. university, university college, polytechnic, technical institute, seminary) by the relevant accreditation body
Represents Higher education accreditation (Q17029629)
Data type Point in time
Domain universities and institutions of higher learning
Example Gallaudet University (Q1056373) → 1864
Source external references, Wikipedia list articles, Wikipedia articles
Motivation

On English Wikipedia, "Infobox university" frequently contains multiple founding dates for university. Some universities started out as polytechnics or as non-degree-granting (or as colleges where one could study for degrees issued by other universities). In Britain, when a university has the power to grant its own degrees, is is referred to as having attained "university status", and that is marked on a number of Wikipedia article pages in the infobox. See, for instance, the English Wikipedia articles for De Montfort University (Q3551402) and Buckinghamshire New University (Q448403).

The idea is we could then the "inception" property for marking when the organisation started, and this property to mark when it formally became a degree-granting higher education institution. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Human Rights Watch identifier

   Not done
Description Human Rights Watch identifier
Data type URL
Domain countries mostly, but other topics as well, such as freedom of speech
Allowed values string with required qualifier language of work or name (P407)
Example
Source http://www.hrw.org/
Motivation

The 7 October 2015 English Wikipedia Signpost identified the lack of human rights (Q8458) information on the Kazakhstan (Q232) English Wikipedia article. The Signpost cited reports from three human rights advocacy organizations: Human Rights Watch (Q187052), Amnesty International (Q42970), and Freedom House (Q242424). Wikidata authority control will make this information more broadly accessible over all Wikimedia sites, and the multiple languages offered by Human Rights Watch means that Wikipedias (for instance) can select the proper value for their localization. Runner1928 (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
 Not done use described at URL (P973) --Pasleim (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Amnesty International identifier

   Not done
Description Amnesty International identifier
Data type URL
Domain countries mostly, but other topics as well, such as freedom of speech
Allowed values string with required qualifier language of work or name (P407)
Example
Source https://www.amnesty.org
Motivation

The 7 October 2015 English Wikipedia Signpost identified the lack of human rights (Q8458) information on the Kazakhstan (Q232) English Wikipedia article. The Signpost cited reports from three human rights advocacy organizations: Human Rights Watch (Q187052), Amnesty International (Q42970), and Freedom House (Q242424). Wikidata authority control will make this information more broadly accessible over all Wikimedia sites, and the multiple languages offered by Amnesty International means that Wikipedias (for instance) can select the proper value for their localization. Runner1928 (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
This doesn't seem to be about Authority control. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Moved out of Authority Control. Runner1928 (talk) 16:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 Not done use described at URL (P973) --Pasleim (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Freedom House identifier

   Not done
Description Freedom House identifier
Data type URL
Domain countries mostly, but other topics as well, such as freedom of the press
Example
Source https://freedomhouse.org
Motivation

The 7 October 2015 English Wikipedia Signpost identified the lack of human rights (Q8458) information on the Kazakhstan (Q232) English Wikipedia article. The Signpost cited reports from three human rights advocacy organizations: Human Rights Watch (Q187052), Amnesty International (Q42970), and Freedom House (Q242424). Wikidata authority control will make this information more broadly accessible over all Wikimedia sites. Runner1928 (talk) 16:18, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
 Not done use described at URL (P973) --Pasleim (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

source of material

Description place the material used was mined/quarried/found/produced
Data type Item
Domain qualifier for material used (P186)
Allowed values quarries, mines, geological formations, factories, places
Example no label (Q22669973) material used (P186) rubble (Q1225329) source of material (P2647) (as qualifier) → Doulting Stone Quarry (Q5302239)
Source external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
Motivation

I can't find any correct way of representing this currently - the best I managed was start point (P1427) which is clearly an incorrect usage. The origin of the material used is sometimes significant, in the example above it's significant as local stone, in archaeological contexts it's often significant as something that has travelled a long way. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 02:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
I'm pretty sure we have a property lying around somewhere that can do this. "produces" is pretty close (if in fact the original creation rationale wasn't exactly this) and I'm pretty sure the inverse is currently being proposed. --Izno (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
With produces you could, for quarried/mined/manufactured material, say but the list of users would be immensely long in some cases and it is not in this context normally a significant aspect of the producing entity. It would also not be possible to use that for other materials, e.g. is fairly nonsensical, very much is nonsensical (see w:Amber Road for how many places would need to be listed). Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 01:25, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

@Thryduulf, Pigsonthewing, Nikki: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Time

   Done. race time (P2781) (Talk and documentation)
Description time recorded in a race
Represents time (Q11471)
Data type Quantity
Template parameter fr:Modèle:Infobox Descriptif course cycliste ; time (Q11471)
Domain occurrence (Q1190554)
Allowed values quantity with unit of time
Example
Motivation

I work about cycling as you know. This morning, I discover thanks to @Edoderoo: the brand new property length (P2043) and I already use this property, like in Grand Prix de Fourmies 2015. One problem is solve. For the average speed, is ask to @Sjoerddebruin:, he gives me a link, and there is a property for speed that will exist. So to have an infobox that entirely works with Wikidata, it lacks me a property to write the time of a race. I find this data on the databases like ProCyclingStats.

The time will be written on Wikidata when we realise the classifications. We have general classification of the 2015 Coupe Sels (Q20895314) as example. It lacks the time for the winner, and the gap (écart in French) for all the other cyclists. The type of data is the same, we just are interested by the gap between these cyclists and the winner. For team time trial, we use the time, and the delay (retard in French) like here. Time is expressed in hours, minutes and seconds. It is also possible we use the centièmes de secondes but it is rare.

I need your thoughts about these properties, time and gap. Another will can be bonifications sometimes used in stage races. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

PS : to be more precise, I want the possibility to write 3 h 56 min 30 s (for example) on a same line, like dates. It must be fast to complete, and very easy. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:09, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support This will enhance the cycling project. Also thanks for the length (P2043), a good step ahead I believe! Edoderoo (talk) 15:03, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. I checked Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2#Temporal_interval and I don't think any of the pending properties with time units are quite right for this. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment. Is this supposed to work with any length of time? Please consider the name carefully. Note that we already have a badly named duration (P2047) that is intended to apply only to the length of recorded works, like films and albums. Is this proposal intended solely for the "winning time" in races? - dcljr (talk) 22:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC) — [Nevermind about "duration": I've renamed it to the more appropriate "running time". Forgot that property names are easily changed. :) - dcljr (talk) 18:11, 25 September 2015 (UTC)]
    • Comment. I think what might work would be something like participant (P710) with qualifiers of "finishing position" <number>/"classification" <string> and "finishing time"

. I hope that reflects a way of use you meant to create. Lymantria (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, this is a good start! Adding a time in seconds is a bit peculiar, but I understand it's the only way we have right now. Once the user interface will be able to format this in hh:mm:ss, so far this is good help! Edoderoo (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@Lymantria: : no, it is not good, I need absolutely a time in hours minutes and seconds, that suppose a work done by the development team. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 11:11, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I am aware of that. The same problem is with personal best (P2415). Within the possibilities of this moment we cannot do better. A later conversion should not be difficult. Lymantria (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Cycling Quotient identifier (women races)

Description Cycling Quotient identifier (women races)
Data type External identifier
Domain cycle sport (Q2215841)
Example 2016 Le Samyn des Dames (Q20681024) → 10989 ( http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10989 )
Motivation

I have had yesterday Cycling Quotient ID men's race ID (P2648), it is for men races. I need a similar property for women. An url is like http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=10712 where the ID is 10712. The difference with Theatricalia theatre ID (P2468) is we have men in the URL where here we have women. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Anthony59999, A.BourgeoisP, ComputerHotline, Douglasfugazi, Edoderoo:@Migrant, Sjoerddebruin, Tøndemageren, Thryduulf:

Discussion
Symbol support vote.svg Support Great idea. Near in the future women races will be as important as men races
Symbol support vote.svg Support Good for cyclism and Wikipedia's development. Anthony59999 (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support--Chris XC3000 (talk) 10:06, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Fralambert: est-ce que tu pourrais créer cette propriété et la suivante ? Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 09:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Anthony59999, Thierry Caro, Chris XC3000: ✓ Done --Fralambert (talk) 02:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Cycling Quotient identifier (cyclist, woman)

Description Cycling Quotient identifier (cyclist, woman)
Data type External identifier
Domain cycle sport (Q2215841)
Example Chantal Blaak (Q933927) → 1665 ( http://www.cqranking.com/women/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=1665 )
Motivation

Same idea than the previous request, Cycling Quotient male cyclist ID (P1541) gives the ID for men, and the word men is contained in the URL. For women, we have women in the URL, so we need another property. All the properties about CQranking will be in use in different Wikipedias thanks to Template:CQ ranking (Q11614524), we have a similar system for Template:ProCyclingStats (Q20742687). It is a part of our project that consist to share a similar program on a big number of Wikipedia in order to be more efficient. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Anthony59999, A.BourgeoisP, ComputerHotline, Douglasfugazi, Edoderoo:@Migrant, Sjoerddebruin, Tøndemageren, Thryduulf:

Discussion
Symbol support vote.svg Support Great idea. Near in the future women races will be as important as men races
Symbol support vote.svg Support Good for cyclism and Wikipedia's development. Anthony59999 (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support --Chris XC3000 (talk) 10:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick, Anthony59999, Thierry Caro, Chris XC3000: ✓ Done --Fralambert (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Merci @Fralambert:. fr:Modèle:Cqranking a été mis à jour. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

production statistics

Description Statistics about the production of something in/by the item. Mainsnak should be the produced thing, quantity and date should be qualfiers
Data type Item
Template parameter mettez les paramètres de l'infobox de Wikipédia ici s'ils existent. Exemple : « population » dans fr:Modèle:Infobox Subdivision administrative
Domain administrative units / companies
Example Ivory Coast: cocoa bean (qualifiers: quantity:1 MT, date: 2012)
Proposed by Zolo (talk)
Discussion
  • It seems hard to fit that into a generic "key statistics" property but one decicated property for every product seems hard to manageZolo (talk) 07:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral Maybe 'significant item produced' i.e <New Zealand> significant item produced <Milk> (qualifiers: quantity: heaps of L date: 2013) Macadamia1472 (talk) 06:24, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
I think that the only way we can use this type of data in a consistent and maintainable way is to mass-import them from external databases like faostat or the national statistics offices. It will probably include data that may not seem very significant (perhaps the banana production of Greenland), but I do not think it is a problem (except that we would need to find a solution to loading time of items). --Zolo (talk) 09:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Time2wait.svg On hold Pending currency data type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC) Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Klortho: @Zolo: I think this should be replaced with properties more specific like 'Lumber production', 'Oil production', 'Electricity generated'. Should we delete this property and replace it? Would qualifiers be able to do this under one property? Mcnabber091 (talk) 06:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Mcnabber091: it could be but there are lots and lots of properties that could be created, so if we want to be that, we should at least use a much simpler property creation process. Using a generic property would follow the same logic as significant event (P793): it is easy to adapt to the specific product that we want (say light crude oil (Q1047462) instead of just "oil"), and in case a specific property is created afterwards, data can still be transferred. --Zolo (talk) 08:48, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@Zolo: Ok that makes sense, thanks for explaining that. Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

@Zolo, Mcnabber091: ✓ Done (after only 2.5 years) --Srittau (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


Budget

   Done. budget (P2769) (Talk and documentation)
Represents budget (Q41263)
Data type Quantity
Template parameter budget in various infobox film
Domain any
Allowed values numbers with currency
Example Wikidata (Q2013) → EUR 10,000,000
Source infoboxes
Robot and gadget jobs
--- Jura 13:32, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Discussion
Symbol support vote.svg Support Looks good to me. Pikolas (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
cost (P2130) (usually with determination method (P459): estimation process (Q791801)) works just fine for film infoboxes. The movie industry's notion of budget (retospective estimate of costs that had occured) is different from its general use anyway (plan of expenditure/revenue/etc.). – Máté (talk) 04:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support @Máté: A film budget is not retrospective, it is prepared in advance and used as a basis to secure financing. Same as any other budget. Danrok (talk) 12:49, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
@Danrok: oh, yes, they have a production budget, but that's usually not public. What we see in the media as budget is something else, and is retrospective. – Máté (talk) 12:56, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1, Pikolas, Danrok: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

source of income

Description the source of income of an organization (or a person?)
Represents income (Q1527264)
Data type Item
Domain any instance of organization or things like a web site
Allowed values instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279)* → business model (Q815823)
Example
Source infoboxes
Robot and gadget jobs import data from infoboxes
Motivation

The source of income of an organization is critical to understand the dynamic of an organization. Reversely, it can be super useful for someone to get a list of organization that have or don't have a certain revenue model: for instance, I'm interested in website (Q35127) or newspaper (Q11032) that don't have advertising (Q37038) has a source of income. -- Zorglub27 (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support, I like this idea. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 17:12, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Zorglub27, Sjoerddebruin: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 13:02, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

D-U-N-S

   Done. D-U-N-S (P2771) (Talk and documentation)
Description unique company identifier from Dun & Bradstreet
Represents D-U-N-S (Q246386)
Data type Number (not available yet)
Domain business enterprise (Q4830453)
Allowed values nine digits
Example Langley Holdings (Q15825279) → 548160290
Source National search portals, e.g. UPIK
Motivation

DUNS or D-U-N-S ist the most widely used company identifier. "More than 50 global, industry, and trade associations recognize, recommend, or require DUNS. The DUNS database contains over 220 million entries for businesses throughout the world."--Kopiersperre (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support This is an important identifier for organizations, definitely should be in wikidata! ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support if licensing allows. Also, should be datatype:external-id. Is there a formatter URL? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:24, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kopiersperre, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing: ✓ Done --Srittau (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

power consumed

Loop ID


BVMC person

   Done. BVMC person ID (P2799) (Talk and documentation)
Description identifier of an author on the Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes, data.cervantesvirtual.com
Represents Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes (Q4903493)
Data type External identifier
Template parameter "1" and "id" in es:Template:Autor de la Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes
Domain elements which are instance of (P31) human (Q5), and some exceptions
Allowed values integers from 3 to < 100000
Example Federico García Lorca (Q41408)273
Format and edit filter validation ([3-9]|[0-9]{2,5})
Source http://data.cervantesvirtual.com
Formatter URL http://data.cervantesvirtual.com/person/$1
Motivation

Stable IDs from an important worldwide non-profit organization concerning Spanish language and literature. abián 01:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support this (all metadata available on data.cervantesvirtual.com are published free of restrictions, under the terms of the Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication) and this. Strakhov (talk) 09:52, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Abián, Strakhov, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done Happy editing. --Lymantria (talk) 06:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Beach Volleyball Database ID

Description identifier for an athlete, in the Beach Volleyball Database
Data type External identifier
Template parameter de:Vorlage:BvDb
Domain human (Q5)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example Aleksandrs Samoilovs (Q537300)6770
Source http://www.bvbinfo.com
Formatter URL http://www.bvbinfo.com/player.asp?ID=$1
Robot and gadget jobs EdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

"Beach Volleyball Database" is large database for beach volleyball players. Database contains statistical information, that is useful for players referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing: ✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 15:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

FIVB beach volleyball player ID

Description identifier for a beach volleyball player, in the FIVB database
Represents Fédération Internationale de Volleyball (Q6851)
Data type External identifier
Domain human (Q5)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example Aleksandrs Samoilovs (Q537300)104357
Source http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Player_DataDB.asp
Formatter URL http://www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/Player_DataDB.asp?No=$1
Robot and gadget jobs EdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

Fédération Internationale de Volleyball (Q6851) is the governing body of beach volleyball. Database contains statistical information, that is useful for players referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing: ✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

ISF ID

Description identifier for a sailor, in the International Sailing Federation database
Represents World Sailing (Q381929)
Data type External identifier
Template parameter en:Template:ISAF sailor
Domain human (Q5)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example Hannah Mills (Q7836739)59279
Source https://members.sailing.org/
Formatter URL http://www.sailing.org/biog?memberid=$1
Robot and gadget jobs EdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

World Sailing (Q381929) is the governing body of sailing. Database contains statistical information, that is useful for athletes referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 07:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC) (By the way, as far as I know ISAF in stead of ISF is the usual abbreviation)

LPGA Tour ID

   Done. LPGA Tour ID (P2810) (Talk and documentation)
Description identifier for a golf player, in the LPGA database
Represents LPGA (Q27650)
Data type External identifier
Template parameter en:Template:LPGA player
Domain human (Q5)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example Natalie Gulbis (Q2361213)natalie-gulbis/80727
Source http://www.lpga.com
Formatter URL http://www.lpga.com/players/$1/overview
Robot and gadget jobs EdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

LPGA (Q27650) database contains statistical information, that is useful for golfer referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done with corrected regex. Lymantria (talk) 06:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

PGA Tour ID

   Done. PGA Tour ID (P2811) (Talk and documentation)
Description identifier for a golf player, in the PGA Tour database
Represents PGA Tour (Q910409)
Data type External identifier
Template parameter en:Template:PGATour player
Domain human (Q5)
Allowed values [0-9]+
Example Adam Scott (Q350869)24502
Source http://www.pgatour.com/
Formatter URL http://www.pgatour.com/players/player.$1.html
Robot and gadget jobs EdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

PGA Tour (Q910409) database contains statistical information, that is useful for golfer referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 06:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Sherdog ID

   Done. Sherdog ID (P2818) (Talk and documentation)
Description identifier for an athlete, in the Sherdog database
Represents Sherdog (Q2663560)
Data type External identifier
Template parameter en:Template:Sherdog
Domain human (Q5)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example Randy Couture (Q352733)166
Source http://www.sherdog.com/
Formatter URL http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=$1
Robot and gadget jobs EdgarsBot can import values from Wikipedias
Motivation

Sherdog (Q2663560) database contains statistical information, that is useful for athlete referencing. ID will be used in Template:Sports links (Q22674492). --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Edgars2007, Løken, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 06:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

YandexMusic album ID

Description The identifier for the album in the database Yandex.Music
Represents Yandex.Music (Q4537983)
Data type External identifier
Domain album (Q482994)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example no label (Q23309022)1924281
Source https://music.yandex.ru/album
Formatter URL https://music.yandex.ru/album/$1
Motivation

Yandex.Music (Q4537983) database contains music albums in the public domain, which will be useful in the articles of the relevant records. ID will be used in the [2].--AleUst (talk) 15:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@AleUst: Earlier today I created this property. Apperently the edit to this propositions page did not succeed. But here it is! Happy editing. Lymantria (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Belgian Football ID

Description Identifier for a player, on the official Belgian football federation website
Data type External identifier
Template parameter none
Domain association football (Q2736)
Allowed values range 1-9999
Example Daniel Van Buyten (Q44309)2477
Source http://www.belgianfootball.be
Formatter URL http://static.belgianfootball.be/project/publiek/jrinteren/speler_PH_$1.htm
Robot and gadget jobs no
Motivation

The official Belgian football federation website (http://www.belgianfootball.be) has a complete list of every Belgium international football players, including every match they were called for + the majority of players who were called in youth national teams (+ matches). This ID will facilitate the input of a reference with this website for every player listed on it (around 2650 actually).

I've already created a similar template on the French Wikipedia (Modèle:Fiche urbsfa) to add a formatted standardized reference for international careers of Belgian football players. As I've seen several similar ID's on wikidata (soccerbase, NFT, ...), I'd like to add this one too, so it could be used on every wikipedia. BelgoFoot (talk) 11:28, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. I've moved the former, verbose, English description to "motivation" and added a new, shorter description. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:29, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

@BelgoFoot: ✓ Done (by ‎Lymantria). --Edgars2007 (talk) 08:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

MegogoID

   Done. Megogo ID (P2826) (Talk and documentation)
Description The identifier for the film in the database Megogo
Represents Megogo.net (Q4043924)
Data type External identifier
Domain film (Q11424)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]+
Example Battle for Sevastopol (Q16692754)1820951
Source http://megogo.net/ua
Formatter URL http://megogo.net/ua/view/$1
Motivation

Large ukrainian database of films, wonderful replacement uk:template:Megogo title Максим Підліснюк (talk) 22:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@Максим Підліснюк:✓ Done Happy editing! --Lymantria (talk) 20:36, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Code letters

   Withdrawn
Description method of identifying ships before the introduction of modern navigation aids
Represents International maritime signal flags (Q1671640)
Data type String
Domain ships
Example Glückauf (Q828584) → KRBH
Source Wikipedia articles, books, ship registers
Robot and gadget jobs Possibly bots could do.
Motivation

This is effectively a unique ID for a older vessels. Danrok (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I think that this property could double-up for use with modern day radio call-signs which seem to be the same format. Danrok (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Pictogram voting question.svg Question @Danrok: Are you withdrawing this proposal, or do you still see it as useful? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Discussion
@Joshbaumgartner: Not withdrawing it. As far as I can see, it is very useful because it is a unique ID. Radio call-sign and code letters are basically the same thing and should share this property. Danrok (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support as proposed. Thanks for the clarification, Danrok. Would it make sense to add a filter to this property? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Pictogram voting question.svg Question @Danrok: How certain are we that older vessels carry unique codes? Is there something like a partial source you can show as an example? Lymantria (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
@Lymantria: "no two ships bore the same code letters at the same time" quoted from the Wikipedia article. Either way, this property is definitely needed, it is the predecessor to IMO ship number (P458). The subject item in the proposal should be International maritime signal flags (Q1671640), instead of International maritime signal flags (Q1671640). Danrok (talk) 21:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
@Danrok: I suppose you mean code letters (Q5140072) for the subject? I understand from [:en:Call sign]] that when it comes to combination with call signs, the ship code may contain numerals as well. Would [0-9A-Z]+ make sense as regex for allowed values? Lymantria (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
@Lymantria: Yes, it is a string of alpha-numeric characters. Spaces and lower-case a-z should also be allowed. For example, Mercury-Redstone 3 (Q623903)'s radio call sign was "Freedom 7". Danrok (talk) 12:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
So, I think it may be best to use this existing property call sign (P2317) to cover all call signs, including the older "non-radio" maritime code letters. Danrok (talk) 13:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree, but then descriptions of call sign (P2317) have to be adjusted. I can consider this request withdrawn? Lymantria (talk) 13:57, 28 April 2016 (UTC) (forgot to @Danrok:)
As said above, this property can double-up as call sign (Q353659). Danrok (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done I consider this request withdrawn, in favour of use of call sign (P2317) for this matter. Lymantria (talk) 07:43, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Rolling stock

   Not done
Description Types of rail vehicle or train used on this railway line, or items describing them
Data type Item
Template parameter "stock" in en.wiki's Template:Infobox station (Q5898006), "materiale rotabile" in it.wiki's Template:Infobox metro line (Q7640833)
Domain railroad line (Q728937)
Allowed values mode of transport (Q334166) or items about them
Example Milan Metro Line 1 (Q2400801)Motor coaches used on Milan Metro Line 1 (Q16551620), AnsaldoBreda Meneghino (Q3854648)
Motivation

Useful to describe a specific transport line. --★ → Airon 90 11:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Ping me if you need my attention, please.

Discussion
  1. I translated the description but I don't think it is written correctly in English
  2. Your edit to domain is not correct: please see the example I proposed
--★ → Airon 90 18:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
@Airon90: Thank you for the translation; I'll tweak it. Yes, I saw your example; the left-hand part, is Milan Metro Line 1 (Q2400801), which is a railway line. That is the "domain". The right-hand side, Motor coaches used on Milan Metro Line 1 (Q16551620), AnsaldoBreda Meneghino (Q3854648), are examples of "allowed values". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:41, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm a very stupid boy! Thank goodness I study mathematics and I work daily with domain of a function (Q192439)!
I don't think you corrected my translation: I fear that under this definition the item Motor coaches used on Milan Metro Line 1 (Q16551620) wouldn't be a correct value
--★ → Airon 90 18:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
That's why I included "...or items describing them". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

@Airon90:  Not done: item operated (P121) seems to suffice at this point, since it has been broadened in the past. --Srittau (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

@Srittau: I had to change the Italian name and description of the property as it was outdated and limited to airplanes. Thank you very much! --★ → Airon 90 10:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


fleet or registration number

Description the fleet number or registration of the vehicle
Data type String
Template parameter "fleetnumbers" in en:template:Infobox Locomotive
Domain vehicles, events (accidents)
Example
Source external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
Motivation

The number of an individual vehicle is often a noted fact, especially for rail locomotives. There are two use cases for this I can think of, the first is on items about individual vehicles and the second is on items about notable events (e.g. accidents) where that vehicle is significantly involved (where it would be used as a qualifier to item operated (P121). aircraft registration (P426) exists for aircraft and is used in a broadly similar way, and IMO ship number (P458) exists for ships but I'm don't that merging or generalising those would be a good idea - indeed it might be better split this proposal into separate properties for rail vehicles and road vehicles? Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 15:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
@Snipre: That would prevent validation of values. Code letters are always letters as far as I know. Plus, there's also another one for ships called Official Numbers [3], a system which came after code letters, and before IMO ship numbers. These unique IDs are very important because they allow for the finding of a ship on say the Lloyd's Register, and other official paperwork, archives, etc. I need to read-up more on official numbers before making a proposal on that. Danrok (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
  • After no objections for three months I'm marking this as ready. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 13:33, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
  • @Thryduulf:  Not done - use inventory number (P217) ("identifier for a physical object... in a collection") for fleet numbers. No prejudice against a separate property, if that is not deemed appropriate, for registration numbers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
    • @Pigsonthewing: Why have you set this to "not done" (which smacks of supervoting) rather than putting your opinion as an oppose? I disagree that inventory number (P217) is relevant here as using it in the circumstances intended would violate (almost?) every constraint on that property! Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 23:43, 7 March 2016 (UTC) (resigning to fix ping. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 11:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC))
    • Because, as I noted, the property already exists. If the constraints are wrong, fix them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
      • But the property doesn't exist! The constraints for inventory number (P217) are not wrong, they exist to enable validation of the accession numbers for items in a GLAM collection and are correct for that job. That is a completely different concept to fleet numbers and registration numbers of vehicles (which may or may not be part of a collection, and when they are will likely have an accession number as well as a fleet and/or registration number). Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 20:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
      • @pigsonthewing: as my above comment doesn't seem to have been spotted. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 12:44, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
  • @Thryduulf, pigsonthewing: In no way is a vehicle's registration number the same as a museum's inventory number. That is definitely not how this should be done. Boats and planes are held in collections, so clearly the two would become muddled up. Danrok (talk) 21:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Which is why I wrote "No prejudice against a separate property, if that is not deemed appropriate, for registration numbers". inventory number (P217) is qualified by the name of the collection to which the inventory number refers; and thus multiple values may be stored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
      • @pigsonthewing, Danrok: a fleet number is not conceptually different to a registration number (it's a unique identifier for a vehicle), but both are very different to accession numbers and there is no collection name with which you can qualify a fleet number if the vehicle is not in a collection. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 17:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
        • You're being Anglo-centric. In some countries, the registration number changes with the registered owner, or yearly. However, this is not the place to debate such matters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
          • eh? Accession numbers are stable and don't change yearly, whereas fleet and registration numbers can - this is another argument against inventory number (P217)'s suitability. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 12:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
            • Accession numbers can and do change; we have start- and end- date properties for use as qualifiers in such cases. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • I think that it is important that inventory number (P217) is only used for a collection's inventory reference, and nothing else. It's an ID which unambiguously pinpoints an item in a collection which could be very large, and contain very similar items. If we start storing any "other marks" in inventory number (P217) that just creates work for anyone using the data, they will have to code some method of separating values stored in inventory number (P217). It also increases the possibility of mistakes and mix-ups. That's just making things more complicated than they need to be, with no benefit that I can see. Danrok (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
    • I agree entirely. The fleet number of a vehicle is "a collection's inventory reference" and it does "unambiguously pinpoint an item in a collection which could be very large, and contain very similar items". That is precisely what it is for. We already have "method of separating values stored in 217": qualify them with the name of the collection or issuing body; and dates if relevant. However, this is not the place to debate such matters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
      • It is clear from the description, constraints and proposal for inventory number (P217) that it is only intended to be used for GLAM collections. A vehicle in a museum may have one of these, an operational vehicle does not as it is not in a GLAM collection (or in most cases in any collection at all). A registration number issued by, e.g. the DVLA is a conceptually very, very different thing in both form and purpose to an accession number issued by e.g. the National Motor Museum. Vehicles may have multiple concurrent fleet and registration numbers, but only one accession or inventory number is current at any one time. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 12:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
        • You are, sadly and inexplicably, making things up. There is nothing in the description which mentions, let alone limits this to, GLAMs. Anything with fleet number is part of a collection; that is what the "fleet" is. As I said early on, constraints which are wrong can be - and should be - changed. A registration number issued by the DVLA is a conceptually very, very different thing in both form and purpose to a fleet number; which is why, I repeat, I wrote "No prejudice against a separate property, if that is not deemed appropriate, for registration numbers". And once again, this is not the place to debate such matters; and the use of P217 is now being discussed on Project chat. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Useful property. To me, inventory number (P217) is conceptually something completely different. --Srittau (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support (though I would simplify the label to "fleet number" and clarify that it should be owner/operator-based, not an external registration number.) It seems to me Andy's claim rests upon an assumption about the meaning of the word "collection". What does "collection" in the context of inventory number (P217) signify? Well, it's clear from the discussion page and usage that it refers specifically to the property collection (P195), which has corresponding item public collection (Q2982955), described as a collection of "works", and a subclass of art collection (Q7328910). The set of locomotives owned or operated by a particular railroad, while technically a "collection" in the sense of something that contains multiple items, does not to me by any stretch qualify as either a public collection (Q2982955) or art collection (Q7328910). I also am quite concerned that Andy acted to close the discussion rather than simply add an "oppose" comment. If there is a significant concern about the creation of duplicate properties let's maybe start an RFC with concrete proposals for how to deal with it. I don't think this qualifies as a duplicate in any case. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:57, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
    • @ArthurPSmith: I'm OK with this being made "fleet number" only, but in that case we will also need a separate property for registration number. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 19:36, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The linked discussion on Project chat (now archived at Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2016/03#P217 - should it be broadened?) was not explicitly closed, but does not seem to my (biased) eyes as concluding in favour of broadening inventory number (P217). Accordingly I think the objections to this proposal with that reasoning can be dismissed when judging whether this property has gained consensus or not (currently I'm seeing a likely consensus for either combined or separate properties, but no consensus between the two options). Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 19:36, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
    • There is no consensus for your proposal, in either form (there may be for a "registration number" property, as I have already indicated) - since, as I demonstrate irrefutably above, it is flawed and unnecessary for a fleet number (which is equally irrefutably an "identifier for a physical object... in a collection"), with P217 being perfectly adequate for that purpose, and the objections to using that being based on a false premise otherwise. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
      • I think we should let an independent person determine the consensus regarding this, but when (almost) nobody has agreed with you regarding P217 (and people have explained why they disagree in depth) saying you have demonstrated it "irrefutably" leaves me speechless. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 20:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

@Thryduulf, Joshbaumgartner, Danrok, ArthurPSmith: ✓ Done: Majority of people agree that this is a useful property and not the same as inventory number (P217). --Srittau (talk) 23:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

exUSSR station code

Description unique railway station/operation point code used in USSR and later in former-U0SSR countries
Represents ESR station code (Q4173954)
Data type String
Template parameter "код ЄМР" in uk:Шаблон:Станція, "код АСУЖД" in ru:Шаблон:Железнодорожная станция
Domain station building (Q1339195), train station (Q55488), no label (Q832084), no label (Q336764), block post (Q350114),railway halt (Q55678), block post (Q350114), passing loop (Q784159), no label (Q12105635), business enterprise (Q4830453), enterprise (Q6881511) and maybe company (Q783794)
Allowed values \d{2,6}
Example
Format and edit filter validation \d{2,6}
Source http://tr4.info/ etc.
Formatter URL http://tr4.info/station/$1 (for stations) http://tr4.info/railway/$1 (for Railway companies)
Robot and gadget jobs import from infoboxes
Motivation

exUSSR Railways uses two code systems of infrastructure elements. Main one - United Network Razmetka (or Automated System of Railway Transport Administration) (ru: ЕСР), other one - UIC system UIC station code (P722).

In this code system exUSSR regional Railway companies has 2-digit code, their operated stations and operation points — 6 digit code, with 2 first means operator. Sometimes, more rarely, is used 5 or 4 code system, but first 4 digits always the same.

For now users put this code in station code (P296), which may disambigulate with other code systems. Avatar6 (talk) 09:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
Could someone explain wtf the expected way of entering numbers and abbreviations for train stations? There'd be a lot of properties to create if this is the way to go, while others were deleted in the past… --Nenntmichruhigip (talk) 10:18, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I explain - each property should be asotiated with standard, system (that has an item, explaining it), that has a unique identifiers for each members (but may not have, sometimes), .. to not be deleted in the past.--Avatar6 (talk) 16:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Looks like this should be datatype:string, not number (albeit with the given regular expression limiting it to digits). Also, please provide an example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Datatype changed,. Thank you for the examples. However, we can't have different formatter URLs for each type. Perhaps we need two properties? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:22, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't prefer to enlarge properties fot same meanings... but if we set this property for railway company like 450000 - it could disambig wth station that has a code 450000. of course infoboxes should truncate codes for each type of infrastructure, but we loose uniquety in restrictions.. I do not know the best way to go.--Avatar6 (talk) 16:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

@Avatar6: ✓ Done using external-id as datatype. --Srittau (talk) 23:00, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

via

   Done. via (P2825) (Talk and documentation)
Description intermediate point on a journey - stopover location, waystation or routing point
Represents layover (Q3057799)
Data type Item
Template parameter "plane1_stopover", "plane2_stopover", etc in en:template:Infobox aircraft occurrence
Domain journeys, routes (e.g. scheduled flights), events involving vehicles
Allowed values places: airfields, railway stations, bus stations, settlements, ports, motorway service stations, roads, waterways, etc.
Example no label (Q23939125)Gullfaks oil field (Q588383); British Airways Flight 9 (Q435605)Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (Q504368), Chennai International Airport (Q502670), Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport (Q1431802), Perth Airport (Q45935), Melbourne Airport (Q733738)
Source external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.
Robot and gadget jobs import from infoboxes possible
Motivation

I noticed this missing when adding the entry for no label (Q23939125), a flight from Bergen Airport (Q619980) to Bergen Airport (Q619980) via Gullfaks oil field (Q588383). I'm unsure whether we need separate properties for actual stops and intermediate points where the vehicle doesn't stop (a distinction possibly more common in land travel than air travel). I've chosen to propose a single one here, but I'm in no way opposed to two if people prefer that. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 20:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
Symbol support vote.svg Support Sounds useful for the reasons listed. --Srittau (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, let's start with just one property. We can always add another if it turns out we need it. --Srittau (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I think we already have this, but I don't recall its name.
    --- Jura 11:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
    • I've searched for it under every synonym I can think of and looked at a good dozen entries it might appear on but can't find an existing property. It doesn't mean there isn't one though! Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 13:26, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

@Thryduulf, Srittau, Jura1:✓ Done as subproperty of location (P276) and with constraint that start point (P1427) and destination point (P1444) should be used as well. Happy editing! Lymantria (talk) 20:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Joint Electronics Type Designation Automated System Designation

Description Unclassified designator for United States military electronic equipment
Data type External identifier
Example AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel (Q564415) → AN/MPQ-64
Source numerous external sources including w:List of military electronics of the United States and [5] as examples
Motivation

The Joint Electronics Type Designation Automated System designator is an official identifier for United States military electronic equipment and uniquely identifies radar systems, sonar systems, communications systems, radio systems and other electronic equipment. Military standard 196 (MIL-STD-196) (available at [6]) defines the format of the designator in detail.

Discussion
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - Not an authority control, no external data source for us to connect to. If its the official designator, then that should just be the name of the item, as it is already on a bunch of these (AN/SPS-43 (Q2623525)), so why the duplication? -- Netoholic (talk) 06:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Netoholic: This property proposal is very similar to the existing property Property:P917 (for Russian military equipment). A large majority of the equipment which would bear this Joint Electronics Type Designation Automated System Designation code would have a separate common name, and thus it would make sense to separate. Dhx1 (talk) 08:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
      • I also feel the request is incomplete. What are the allowed values (regex) for these IDs? Are the ID's unique? Can an item have multiple IDs? Please fill out the whole Property proposal template above as much as possible. -- Netoholic (talk) 16:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support per Dhx1. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • ✓ Done as P2832. Sufficient information was available. @Dhx1: please make good use of it.
    --- Jura 11:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

number known to exist

   Not done
Description number of specimens or examples of a type which are known to exist at a given point in time
Data type Number (not available yet)
Domain Many types of items, e.g.ː historic aircraft, artistic works, archaeological artifacts, dinosaur species
Allowed values non-negative integers
Example Avro Vulcan (Q218931) → 19
Archaeopteryx (Q100196) → 11
The Scream (Q471379) → 4
Motivation

For types of items of which a limited number are known to exist, such as historical, archaeological, or paleontological specimens. Subproperty of quantity (P1114). Where applicable, qualify with point in time (P585) and has list (P2354). Swpb (talk) 14:47, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Isn't this just a quantity with an unknown upper bound? We should be able to represent that instead, if we can't already. --Izno (talk) 16:15, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


By-product / by-product of (inverse properties)

   Done. by-product (P2821) (Talk and documentation)
Description product of a chemical or industrial process, of secondary economic value
Represents by-product (Q1128255)
Data type Item
Domain Processes, or processing facilities
Allowed values Materials
Example animal husbandry (Q80962)manure (Q185716)
natural-gas processing (Q2287558)helium (Q560)
   Done. by-product of (P2822) (Talk and documentation)
Description chemical or industrial process which produces the item as a by-product
Represents by-product (Q1128255)
Data type Item
Domain Materials
Allowed values Process, or processing facility
Example manure (Q185716)animal husbandry (Q80962)
helium (Q560)natural-gas processing (Q2287558)
Motivation

To indicate secondary products of industrial and other processes. By-product differs from product or material produced (P1056), which indicates a primary product. Likewise, material used (P186) may indicate a raw material (but not a process) of which the item is the primary product. Swpb (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Josh Baumgartner (talk) 20:38, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose since there is no limits for editor imagination. There is should be a limit to prevent "garbage" to be product of "education" (technically it is, but it is not useful data at all). -- VlSergey (трёп) 10:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support as proposed. Just because something could potentially be misused (which applies to every property here) does not negate the benefits of it being used properly. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 11:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Property proposal does not define it as misusing, proposal allows and encourages adding all (notice the difference with P1056 in description) possible outputs of any process to this property. Any editor is encouraged to add almost anything in a way "hey, you forgot that A produces not only B_1, B_2, ..., B_N, but also B_{N+1}". Data consumer just will be unable to use such wildly defined properties. -- VlSergey (трёп) 11:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
      • The proposal does not contain the word "all", or anything to that effect; relevance is no less important that with any other property. Nothing about the proposal encourages misuses like the one you suggest. Swpb (talk) 14:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment How is defined what of the products is primary and what is secondary? In terms of the examples given, could I not intentionally have animals to produce manure or to extract helium from natural gas as the primary product?
    • Primary products are those which are the largest drivers of the economics of the activity; those tend to be stable over time. For instance, methane brings in far more revenue for natural gas drilling operations than helium does, and the situation is set to remain that way for the foreseeable future. Likewise for cows; there are breeds of cattle specialized for dairy or beef, but not for manure, which is always of secondary or lesser value. Swpb (talk) 17:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Why are the properties defined duplicitely - should all data be duplicated? --Flukas (talk) 21:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Because one property will be more appropriate in some instances, the other property in other instances. Swpb (talk) 17:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Paired properties; Neutral on whether one or the other should be created, if any. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:56, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. author  TomT0m / talk page 12:30, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Both properties could be useful, depending on the context. --Srittau (talk) 01:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Swpb:✓ Done Clear majority support. --Lymantria (talk) 17:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

amount of penalty

   Not done
Description the amount a person has to pay when sentenced to pay a fine
Represents fine (Q2842797)
Data type Number (not available yet)
Domain qualifier for no label (P2466)  fine (Q2842797)
Allowed values numbers with currency as unit
Example Trent Hotton (Q7838410)fine (Q2842797) qualifier "amount" 5000 Australian dollar (Q259502)
Source externe referentie, lijstartikel op Wikipedia, etc.
Motivation

There is no suitable qualifier to make clear what the fine was someone had to pay when sentenced to a fine. Mbch331 (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 02:34, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I like the notion of this but I wonder if the data is complete if all we provide is what the value is and not whether it was actually paid. --Izno (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
    • What we are recording with no label (P2466) is what punishment was given, not whether that punishment was completed (e.g. whether a fine was paid or prison sentence completed) or not - in many (maybe most) cases the latter is not known, and it certainly cannot be known at the time the sentence was imposed. If you know and want to record the latter it would I think need new qualifiers. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 17:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
      • Indeed, and I'm certainly not opposing the suggestion. Just musing. --Izno (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose In the context of the example, numeric value (P1181) would be an adequate qualifier. Swpb (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Swpb. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I don't think numeric value (P1181) is appropriate. This is more for connection a number item or a physical constant to its number (e.g.
    < 1 (Q199) View with Reasonator View with SQID > numeric value (P1181) View with SQID < 1 >
    ). I would like to see this property broadened to something like "amount of money", though. There is no reason why it could not be applied to other situations where money changes hands. --Srittau (talk) 03:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

 Not done No consensus. Lymantria (talk) 20:30, 30 April 2016 (UTC)


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cardinality

Description The measure of the number of elements if the item represents a set and the number of elements is unknown or changing. Sets with fixed amounts should use cardinality of the group (P1164) instead.
Represents cardinality (Q4049983)
Data type Item
Allowed values all instances of cardinal numbers (which include natural numbers and also : n (many) (Q22952775), aleph ω (Q22952698), aleph one (Q2832673), aleph null (Q1445491), beth ω (Q22952652), beth two (Q22952656))
Example phalanx of toe (Q184494)n (many) (Q22952775)
Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinality
Proposed by User:Thewormsterror
Motivation

I stumbled across phalanx of toe (Q184494) that had the incorrect property of being an instance of bone. Switching this to subclass alone would be technically correct but incomplete. Having a cardinality would really help describe the concept. One could argue that in this particular case the item most likely should be renamed to Phalange of the foot (that's probably for another debate). However there are many other items where the cardinality would be handy like "Presidents of Egypt".

I found a similar property called cardinality of the group (P1164). I propose renaming that to cardinality (count) or just plainly count since it actually measures the count and doesn't deal well with sets where the count is unknown or changing. It might be brought up that another option is that we get rid of that but I think that property is handy for things where the count never changes like 'the 3 stooges' or 'the 7 dwarfs' (in snow white).

I would like to point out that very often the only cardinalities used here will be 0 (Q204), 1 (Q199) and n (many) (Q22952775). By themselves 0 (Q204), 1 (Q199) don't make much sense but they can used as qualifiers.

Since this is used so often in modeling it would allow us to for example to say things like a table has N legs if we reference this with the part of property. I hope people can understand what I'm getting at.

In line with the table example I also think we could have another property min cardinality, which would only allow natural numbers. 99% of the time it would be 0 or 1. But in the case of a table it would be 3. Matching that with cardinality n(many) would mean that a table has between 3 to N legs.

There are many many applications for this property and I'm surprised it doesn't exist yet since it's so common in UML, Merise and many other modeling diagrams.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thewormsterror (talk • contribs).

Discussion
@Thewormsterror: It exists, it's quantity (P1114) View with SQID. It's supposed to link a class (set) to its number of instances, originally. It may have evolved over time, as other properties in Wikidata. But this won't work for infinite set of classes however, so we need a property with item datatype. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomT0m: Basically I want to compliment the quantity property with a cardinality property. This one would basically be used for 2 main things (there are other types of cardinalities for rare situations). The first of the 2 being for things that are changing but must be N. Like Birds of North America (Q2904442) or list of Presidents of Egypt (Q774262). We know they are plural but the amount often changes, hence the cardinality would be n (many) (Q22952775). But then we can also use qualifiers with properties such as part of. So you could say something like a planet is part of 0 (rogue planet) or 1 (normal planet) solar system. For this we would need 2 properties min cardinality and (max) cardinality. That is what I would prefer from this discussion. I really hope people can understand the difference from quantity here. Thewormsterror (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@Thewormsterror: I don't think your examples are useful. Wikidata has already mechanisms for changing values : several statements qualified with their dates of validity. For unknown values there is the special value unknown value Help. So I don't get your point. author  TomT0m / talk page 17:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomT0m: I'm sorry, I might not have explained well enough. I remember in my class in university not everyone understood the point of cardinality. Let me start by saying that the point of all properties on wikidata is to gather relevant information on entities and that's what I'm trying to do here. The information is not that there are 5 or 7 or 1000 elements (quantity) that are changing over time, if the cardinality is N the information is that there are a variable N amount of elements where N is set containing all natural numbers. I think why this is difficult to understand is that 99.9% of the time the cardinality will be n and will just mean that the thing can be plural. But there are a few entities that are bigger than N such as infinite set (Q205140) which has a cardinality of aleph null (Q1445491). And very often the cardinality will be fixed which I think is why you misunderstood. For example lets say that there have been 46 presidents so far, the quantity is 46, but the cardinality is N, since there can be more, if the cardinality was 46 that means that 46 is an absolute value. Furthermore I hope people can understand the cardinality is the set of allowed values and not the values themselves. So if the quantity is fixed at 5 and has always been 5, the cardinality would be the set with only one element 5, so for fixed quantity items it's easy to confuse the 2. Thewormsterror (talk) 05:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@Thewormsterror: I think I understand your point but I don't see how the "n" cardinality would be useful. The quantity (P1114) View with SQID property datatype is number and the set of values defined by this datatype is definitely a subset of Q - mod the precision information, so say an interval in Q - so there is no possible infinite values (maybe unknown value Help fits however) - plus the infinite values. In the example of phalange of the human foot we can be way more precise using the precision notion - unlikely to have a human foot or a table with 1000000 feets. author  TomT0m / talk page
@TomT0m: I think I'm pretty bad with the examples I've given here. I understand why you would think N is not very useful by itself. If it's used as a property it really only describes things as being plural. When the cardinality is used as a qualifier for properties it can be very useful though. As qualifiers the 3 main cardinalities used would be 0, 1, and N. Adding in min cardinality (I really want this too) as another property would also be amazing at describing triples. Let's say I wanted to describe a solar system. A solar system may have up to N planets and a planet is part of 0 or 1 solar systems. You would therefore say a planet is part of a solar system with min cardinality 0 and (max) cardinality 1. And a solar system has part of planet with min cardinality 0 and (max) cardinality N. The min cardinality is important because it differentiates must have and may have but really only works as a qualifier. I hope I'm getting my point across. But in this example you see where max cardinality can be 1 since a planet can not be part of more than 1 solar system. Thewormsterror (talk) 11:26, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@Thewormsterror: OK, I think I'm beginning to understand, you speaking of describing classes in a way similar to a class definition in UML for example.
For example for the solar system class you mean something like
Is that so ? I wonder then if it should be the same property as the one for mathematical sets. But yes, it could be useful and would probably help us to build a better constraint system. author  TomT0m / talk page 12:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
@TomT0m: You got it. The reason I thought the property might as well be the same, is because the concept of cardinality is either describing an entity or a relationship. As I see it, we could either have 2 properties: min cardinality and cardinality, or 3 properties : min cardinality, max cardinality and cardinality; with min and max being for qualifiers and cardinality being only for entities. Conceptually I think the first solution is better, however the second solution is easier to understand. Thewormsterror (talk) 02:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support but just for the cardinality of mathematical sets at this point. Might need some thinking for number of values of properties - although we already have unique value constraint, and a value can either be unique, non unique (n) and cannot be infinite ... author  TomT0m / talk page 10:38, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm still waiting for this to be added :) if possible Thewormsterror (talk) 19:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

@Thewormsterror, TomT0m:✓ Done Created this property with some hesitation. In accordance with TomT0m I added a constraint to restrict the domain to set (Q36161). I noted that cardinality of the group (P1164) is related, but is restricted to finite groups and has quantity datatype. I added a "conflicts with" constraint with this property and with quantity (P1114). The latter so that you may relax the domain when all turns out to work out as expected. Happy editing! Lymantria (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

"Social Media URLs"

   Withdrawn
Data type URL
Example
Motivation

Companies want to advertise themselves in Wikidata and like to use easy to remember vanity URLs instead of identifiers. Dispenser (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

 Not done Unsufficient support. Lymantria (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into implementing reverse formatter URL into the site-wide JavaScript. Dispenser (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

involved in event

   Not done
Description people, vehicles, and other items involved in this event
Data type Item
Domain occurrence (Q1190554)
Example
Motivation

I was trying to describe which aircraft was involved in Flydubai Flight 981 (Q23253749). Currently there is no way to do this, except using item operated (P121) with a aircraft registration (P426) qualifier. But this seems like a misuse of item operated (P121), since this property is supposed to describe a class of vehicles used by an organization, not an individual vehicle involved in an event. Also, it does not allow to link to the item of an individual vehicle. In cases like this an item describing the vehicle involved would be quite advantageous, since it allows to capture a lot of information that is referenced in the article, like production date, ownership changes, images etc.

This property can also be used in other kinds of events, not only accidents and for other types of items, like airplanes, rail vehicles, road vehicles, ships, but also persons and other things involved in an event (that cannot be better described by a narrower property). This is the reason the property is as broad as it is and not something narrower like "vehicle involved in an event" or even "vehicle damaged in an accident". If necessary, such sub-properties could always be created later.

This is a super-property of organizer (P664) and participant (P710).

--Srittau (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I've been musing on something like this due to my work with rail accident entries. I am unsure though why you say that item operated (P121) would not allow the use of an item for the individual aircraft? I was thinking of creating items for the individual train services involved in rail accidents (rather than overloading applies to part (P518)/has part (P527) as at e.g. Dagenham East rail crash (Q5208483)) and linking to that using item operated (P121). I'm not sure that that is the optimal solution, particularly as at Polmont rail accident (Q7225869) the train and the cow that hit are listed as separate types of property, however I'm not sure either that this is the optimal solution either. I'm leaning support but more thought is needed. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 20:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Well, item operated (P121) is currently ill-defined, because its use was broadened in some languages, but not others. Nevertheless according to both the old and the new proposal on its talk page, it is supposed to link organizations to types of vehicles (classes) (or even more broadly defined stuff) used by that organization. I wouldn't like to overload that with individual vehicles (instances) involved in events (like accidents), which - to me - is something very different. --Srittau (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose as proposed. The proposed name is vague and confusing, and reads as if its object should be the event rather than the vehicle. If the example is correct, the property should be called "vehicle involved". If the event is supposed to be the object, then the example needs to be reversed. Assuming the example is as intended, and no item exists for the individual vehicle, what's wrong with using aircraft registration (P426) as a property of the event itself, instead of as a qualifier of a statement for which there is no good existing property or object? Swpb (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
    • I am always open for better names and descriptions. But please note that this proposal is not just about vehicles, but a very general way to tie items to events. I have added another example. In the specific case of aviation accidents, it makes sense to create items for the vehicles involved. If you look at Wikipedia articles about those events, you will find detailed background information about the airframes involved, data that should be captured on Wikidata. We also have Commons categories for many individual airplanes, which could be linked to the specific vehicle involved. Similar data is available for other kinds of vehicles, for example rail vehicles. --Srittau (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - Per Srittau above, and because this information could be mined far more effectively by querying which items link to a particular event via significant event (P793). -- Netoholic (talk) 07:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

 Not done No consensus. Lymantria (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)


I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

funding source

   Withdrawn
Description the source of funding for a thing such as a publication
Data type Item
Domain Originally this would be used for journal articles to note where their funding comes from but it could potentially be used for anything
Example Job satisfaction, common cold, and sickness absence among white-collar employees: a cross-sectional survey (Q23909632)National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)
Motivation

As part of my upload of NIOSH-funded journal articles to Wikidata I would like to be able to note that it is government-funded research. (Pinging Daniel Mietchen.) James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 15:23, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support seems a very useful general property to have. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 18:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC). Support struck, see below. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 12:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support with the caveat that the documentation clear that this be the most specific funding source which can be identified (and which is WD:N?). I don't want a bunch of items running around with U.S. Government when the specific funding organization was the Department of Energy. --Izno (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
    • In my specific use case, it is to denote scientific publications that are funded by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, part of the U.S. Department of Human Health and Services. I agree that funding sources should be precisely stated and not just "the US government." James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 20:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

anno di produzione (it) / année de production (fr) / Produktionsjahr (de) – (Please translate this into English.)

Description année de production d'un film ou d'une oeuvre, si différente de l'année la publication (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
Data type Point in time
Template parameter |rok produkcji= (pl:Szablon:Film infobox)
Domain film/oeuvres
Example pl:Szablon:Film infobox
Source pl:Szablon:Film infobox
Motivation

import données de plwiki --- Jura 13:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --- Jura 13:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
    • And again: you do not need to support your own nominations. Also, please provide label and description in English; and a valid example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
      • Please avoid repeating the same stuff without providing valid references. Furthur, please clarify if your editorial contributions here are endorsed by the Royal Society of Chemistry, sponsered by the Royal Society of Chemistry and/or supported by the Royal Society of Chemistry. --- Jura 01:31, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Use significant event (P793). --Yair rand (talk) 21:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
    • P793 is useful to list different steps of the films making, but not the date of publication. In some cases, the date of publication isn't available, but the date year of production provided. I'm not entirely sure when: Yair rand, as you have a clear view on this, can clarify when this is the case? --- Jura 01:32, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Yair Rand; and as an incomplete proposal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support This property has been already been proposed September 2015 as "production date" and is urgently needed (see above). significant event (P793) works for items like ships, but films and broadcasting productions are quite different. This property would be easy to use and can be filled by bots. We need this property for films like we need date of birth (P569) for humans. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support per User:Kolja21. Specialized sub-property of significant event (P793), which is very useful and used a lot for movies. --Srittau (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment just noticing that we currently have not much besides publication date (P577) which AFAIK for most works in the visual arts by analogy is the date of first public display (e.g. in an art gallery). Objects like Two men contemplating the Moon (Q232087) use inception (P571) for their creation, could this be applied to films, too? There is also the aspect of manufacturing, e.g. for instances of e.g. bronze sculpture (Q928357) which are produced by casting (Q496098) the manufacturing or producing of some or all individual exemplars may be quite different from conception (AFAIK art historians frown upon the concept of a series of sketches and early stages somehow culminating in the artwork which becomes known) or creation (understood narrowly as the time when the artist made the cast). But for films I'd understand this as being the date when individual copies are created from the master. -- Gymel (talk) 06:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

exploitation visa number

Description number of the exploitation visa of a movie in France
Represents film distribution certificate (Q3560977)
Data type External identifier
Domain Any film (Q11424) shown in a movie theater (Q41253) in France (Q142)
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]* ; from 1 to 150000, films currently being shown in theatres having values around 144000.
Example Mississippi Mermaid (Q1168045) → 34459
The Sapphires (Q2715076) → 134054
Formatter URL http://www.cnc.fr/web/fr/rechercher-une-oeuvre/-/visa/$1
Motivation

This is the most official and comprehensive identifier for any movie released in France. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, datatype changed to 'external-id'. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, obvioulsy, I looked before how to link to the CNC databases but I failed to found a identifier. Thanks Thierry Caro for finding a obvious and simple solution ! Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:21, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Tubezlob (🙋) 17:21, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Filmiroda rating

Description rating of a film in the former (2004–2011) Hungarian film rating system
Represents Filmiroda rating system (Q23830574)
Data type Item
Domain film (Q11424), television series (Q5398426), TV series season (Q3464665)
Allowed values KN icon old (Hungary).svg Category I (Q23830576), 12 icon old (Hungary).svg Category II (Q23830577), 16 icon old (Hungary).svg Category III (Q23830578), 18 icon old (Hungary).svg Category IV (Q23830579), X icon old (Hungary).svg Category V (Q23830580)
Example Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (Q681962) → Filmiroda III.
Source http://nmhh.hu/dokumentum/162838/terjesztesre_kerulo_filmalkotasok_nyilvantartasa.xlsx, http://adattar.nmhh.hu/index.php?p=film
Motivation

As it happens Hungary has been using its third motion picture rating over the last half a century. Each of them used a different set of categories and were issued by a different body. The latest one has already a property as NMHH film rating (P2363). This property would cover the second of the three. Many of these ratings are still in active use today, and a few times NMHH has also referred back to the Filmiroda ratings instead of re-rating. Thousands of values can be expected (numbering on certificates went up to 11770 but that includes non-notable releases as well). – Máté (talk) 21:27, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

EIRIN film rating

Description EIRIN film rating
Represents EIRIN film rating category (Q23790276)
Data type Item
Domain film (Q11424)
Allowed values Eirin Rated G.svg G (Q23790275), Eirin Rated PG12.svg PG12 (Q23790279), Eirin Rated R15+.svg R15+ (Q23790282), Eirin Rated R18+.svg R18+ (Q23790322)
Example Ushimitsu no mura (Q11361965) -> R18+ (Q23790322)
Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eirin , http://www.eirin.jp/english/008.html
Motivation

See MPAA film rating (P1657), FSK film rating (P1981), and NMHH film rating (P2363). Adding the Japan rating system will correspond with data from Freebase [7]. --Netoholic (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

CNC film rating

Description Commission de classification des œuvres cinématographiques film rating
Represents film classification category (CNC) (Q23817731)
Data type Item
Domain film (Q11424)
Allowed values no age restriction (U) (Q23817729), no minors under twelve (12) (Q23817740), no minors under sixteen (16) (Q23817741), no minors under eighteen (18) (Q23817742), no minors under eighteen (X) (Q23817743), warning (CNC) (Q23817739), Prohibited (Q23837002)
Example Fight Club (Q190050)no minors under sixteen (16) (Q23817741)
One Hundred and One Dalmatians (Q165512)no age restriction (U) (Q23817729)
Source http://www.cnc.fr/web/fr/rechercher-une-oeuvre
Motivation

It's the french film rating. Tubezlob (🙋) 19:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment source site added, and Pictogram voting question.svg Question couldn't it be just called CNC film rating? I've seen it to be referred to like that. – Máté (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
@Máté: OK, good idea ! 👌 it's easier to understand --Tubezlob (🙋) 11:59, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


sound power

Description the rate at which sound energy is emitted, reflected, transmitted or received, per unit time
Represents sound power (Q1588477)
Data type Number (not available yet)
Domain anything that creates sound
Example Black and Decker DS321 (Q23775160) → 97 dB re. 1pW
Source any reliable source
Robot and gadget jobs part of import of NIOSH Power Tools Database (Q17144694)
Motivation

James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
  • support, this could be useful for many things where the sound output is important (amplifiers, engines, fans, etc, etc). Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 19:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question I think the "dB re. 1pW" needs an item, so it can be used as unit? Lymantria (talk) 06:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Lymantria, it would require an item to be used as a unit. I would create the appropriate item based on whatever the spelled-out equivalent of "dB re. 1pW" is, or perhaps use a qualifier. (Unfortunately this is not my area of expertise.) James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@James Hare (NIOSH), Thryduulf, Tobias1984:✓ Done Created decibel relative to 1 picaWatt (Q23977060) for the unit. Make good use of the property! --Lymantria (talk) 07:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

vibration

   Done. vibration (P2806) (Talk and documentation)
Description level of vibration measured
Represents vibration (Q3695508)
Data type Number (not available yet)
Domain anything for which the amount of vibration can be measured
Example Black and Decker DS321 (Q23775160) → 5.20 metre per second squared (Q1051665)
Source any reliable source
Robot and gadget jobs part of import of NIOSH Power Tools Database (Q17144694)
Motivation

James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

@James Hare (NIOSH), Thryduulf: ✓ Done - Please feel free to add more possible units if appropriate. Lymantria (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature ID

Description identifier of a feature on an astronomical body in the Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature
Data type External identifier
Template parameter Template:GPN (Q12981608)
Domain features on astronomical bodies
Allowed values [1-9][0-9]*
Example Rossby (Q19972237)5194
Source http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/
Formatter URL http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/Feature/$1
Motivation

There is a template for these IDs on multiple Wikipedias and there are even more links to the site as references. The data is also public domain (see last question), so if we have a mapping between the two datasets, we could later import data from there too. - Nikki (talk) 15:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Paperoastro Sarilho1 YsogoCekli829 Manlleus Meodudlye, with only limited amount of time to spend in the foreseable future. Romaine - like adding observatory codes + mapping usage (like the *observatory codes) mikeu Jc3s5h VIGNERON Harlock81 Ptolusque User:J. N. Squire Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Astronomy - Nikki (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support looks like an excellent source - IAU approved names, ID's (Feature ID in record) look stable and well-supported. ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

@Nikki, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing:✓ Done --Lymantria (talk) 08:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)