Wikidata:Property proposal/annotator

annotator

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: annotator (P11105) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the person responsible for annotating, extracting and interpreting texts and meanings from ancient manuscripts and other documents
Represents	muhaqqiq (Q105452506)
Data type	Item
Domain	item
Example 1	Al-Bidāyah wa-al-nihāyah ( At-Turki ) (Q113496832) ← Abdallah Ben Abdel Mohsen At-Turki (Q4664659)
Example 2	Lubnān fī ʻahd al-umarāʼ al-Shihābīyīn (mdīrīẗ al-mʿārf, 1933) (Q113456891) ← Asad Rustum (Q12179615)
Example 3	Al-Maḥfūẓāt al-Malakīyah al-Miṣrīyah (AUB, 1940) (Q113586757) ← Asad Rustum (Q12179615)
Example 4	Risālat Ibn Faḍlān (Arabic Academy, 1959) (Q113117628) ← Sami al-Dahhan (Q12215185)
Example 5	Tārīkh al-Dawlah al-ʻAlīyah al-ʻUthmānīyah (Dār al-Nafāʼis, 1981) (Q113541212) ← Ḥaqqī, Iḥsān (Q113541166)
Robot and gadget jobs	no
See also	reviewed by (P4032), editor (P98)

التحفيز

This is an important proprty hevilay used in the Arabic tradional books, we are looking frward to add it to CiteQ, now we are usinf Editor instead, and this is not accurate. Michel Bakni (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

 Support: an important item, and even some contemporary works have been annotated by contemporary annotators, many traditional works have been separately annotated by several annotators, one Eddition or copy or manuscript may have joint annotators, an annotator may review and modify his annotation in a new copy. Abu aamir (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Support important property--حبيشان (talk) 14:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Strong support because of its high importance for traditional works. Sandra Hanbo (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment I think I know how you expect this to be used, but the current examples are not correctly formatted - you should have a Wikidata item for a work (I think), that then has the annotator as the value of the proposed property. Can you update the examples to show what you expect to be the annotators for the works you have listed? ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

  Hello the three exmaples are for works. I did not get you. Michel Bakni (talk) 07:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Michel Bakni: Who are the annotators for these works? The annotators should be shown as part of the examples. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

   Done I added them. Michel Bakni (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

  @ArthurPSmith: yes, I think I agree with you now as they are either contributors in the work or editor now but their main work was annotating the transcript. That is why this property should be added. --Sandra Hanbo (talk) 07:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Comment Presumably, the proposed property should only be used on an item for a particular version, edition or translation (Q3331189) of a work, not on the main item for the work? Jheald (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

  I agree Michel Bakni (talk) 07:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Yet the examples given are all for 'works' ? Jheald (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I changed the second and the third example, I replaced the work by an Edition, regarding the first there should be an item for the edition. Michel Bakni (talk) 18:17, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I added a 4th example.--Michel Bakni (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I added a 5th example.--Michel Bakni (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Comment The description (or definition) of this property does not make sense to me. It should describe the role of an annotator. Something like "the person responsible for annotating a particular edition or version of a work" or something of that sort. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 23:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done I updated the description. Thank you!.--Michel Bakni (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I think your description is too narrow. Annotators are not only associated with medieval manuscripts. Annotations are also published in modern works. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 07:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done I added "modern" to the description. Michel Bakni (talk) 18:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@UWashPrincipalCataloger: Hey, if everything is ok, can we mover forward by creating the property?--Michel Bakni (talk) 06:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

•  Comment Hi, thanks for the proposal. I read the discussion and did not understood one detail. Does this property refer only to the Arab world or is it more general? If it is more general, you should change the "represents" field in the property proposal template. And, as a god practice, also provide an example of annotator in other fields. If it refers only to the Arab world, might it be helpful to write it explicitly (description)? Thanks a lot --Luca.favorido (talk) 06:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

  Hey, it is a general property. Usually, used in history. Unfortuantly, my knowledge is limited in the field and I can not propose examples outside the Arabic literature. Although sure there are countless examples. Michel Bakni (talk) 11:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Michel Bakni, Abu aamir, حبيشان, Sandra Hanbo, ArthurPSmith, Jheald: @Luca.favorido:  Done as annotator (P11105). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)