Wikidata:互助客栈/存档/2018/08
简繁问题[edit]
请问维基数据中各种中文的关系是怎样的？比如「中文」、「中文（简体）」、（中文（中国大陆）」间的区别是什么？类似耶路撒冷类的中几个中文描述很难统一（ https://imgur.com/a/XpGHv ），是不是有可能设计一个bot来自动转换？--Eflyjason (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- 暂时
Oppose机器人转换，因为涉及一个完全浪费的zh-my。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC) - 另外有些还涉及到地区词的事。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- 地區詞那裡我覺得可以通過先在中文維基百科裡面轉換一次（甚至可以進行相應文章開首NoteTA內的轉換），將結果分別重新填入WikiData中，不知道技術上可不可行--eflyjason (talk) 09:40, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- 我觉得长远来说，维基数据对中文地方用词的labels(标签?)应该成为中文维基项目地区词转换的来源资料库。但在这以前，最应该做的事是把中文维基百科的地区词资料库直接导入维基数据，但只做项目标签和地区词完全一样的情况。Deryck Chan (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- 但问题是中文维基百科目前将zh-my与zh-sg合并称作马新简体zh-sg（教科书、新闻、语录同理，甚至还没拆分港澳繁体呢，词典和文库更是只开简繁，不过为何词典和文库那两个居然还有NoteTA模板？），而在中文维基导游，以及元维基和本站等使用翻译扩展的项目上（例如这里，登录后默认居然是“不转换”）则没有合并，考虑到新加坡和马来西亚华人的华语间极高度互通性，我上次曾建议Wylve能否取消zh-my，只保留zh-sg，当时似乎碰了一鼻子灰，去Phabricator有人问了无聊的fallback问题然后没下文了。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- 我觉得长远来说，维基数据对中文地方用词的labels(标签?)应该成为中文维基项目地区词转换的来源资料库。但在这以前，最应该做的事是把中文维基百科的地区词资料库直接导入维基数据，但只做项目标签和地区词完全一样的情况。Deryck Chan (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- 地區詞那裡我覺得可以通過先在中文維基百科裡面轉換一次（甚至可以進行相應文章開首NoteTA內的轉換），將結果分別重新填入WikiData中，不知道技術上可不可行--eflyjason (talk) 09:40, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
There has been a request for comment about developing a policy about privacy and items about living people. Your participation is encouraged above. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC) (from Rschen7754)
Need assistance with a zhwiki article…[edit]
There is zh:競賽 and similarly zh-yue:比賽 where I have problems to understand what they are about. I plan to request deletion of the corresponding item competition (Q841654) as it was poorly defined, but users continue to use it. The chinese sitelinks thus need a new home (new item or existing item with the same topic). All other sitelinks and most claims meanwhile went to different other locations, particularly sports competition (Q13406554) and economic competition (Q319676) (economical context), as there was a lot of overlap.
To my understanding, both Chinese articles describe something which is a tournament format (inferred from the categorization to zh:Category:競賽形式). Is this correct? How would one translate the tournament format zh:競賽 to English? Common online Translators just say "competition", but it does not fit to competition (Q476300) (has another zhwiki sitelink), and I doubt that sports competition (Q13406554) would be the right place. Thanks, MisterSynergy (talk) 06:52, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- @MisterSynergy: IMHO the Chinese/Cantonese sitelinks are about competitions with specific rules/formats, such as sports competition (Q13406554), beauty contest (Q2658935), spelling bee (Q1949268), etc. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 07:23, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. This sounds indeed like a redundancy to zh:竞争, connected to competition (Q476300) (competition in general, but not limited to any specific field like sports, economics, or whatever), just not as detailed. The zh-yue sitelink could easily be moved there, but the zhwiki can’t. Any suggestions where it could go? —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- It seems that competition (Q476300) (zh:竞争) is more general than zh:競賽. zh:競賽 doesn't include competitions in economics, biology, etc. because those competitions don't have specific contest formats and they don't have organizers.--Stevenliuyi (talk) 07:42, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. This sounds indeed like a redundancy to zh:竞争, connected to competition (Q476300) (competition in general, but not limited to any specific field like sports, economics, or whatever), just not as detailed. The zh-yue sitelink could easily be moved there, but the zhwiki can’t. Any suggestions where it could go? —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- Looks like it is difficult to model then. I will probably move both sitelinks from competition (Q841654) to a new item later this day, in order to prevent wrong backlinks to competition (Q841654). If someone comes up with a suitable merge target, it would be easy to solve this. Thanks for your input! —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:47, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- @MisterSynergy, Stevenliuyi: TBH, why can't we merge competition (Q841654) and competition (Q23807345)? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- Looks like it is difficult to model then. I will probably move both sitelinks from competition (Q841654) to a new item later this day, in order to prevent wrong backlinks to competition (Q841654). If someone comes up with a suitable merge target, it would be easy to solve this. Thanks for your input! —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:47, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- I have no idea what the latter is about, TBH. The subclass structure competition (Q23807345) subclass of (P279) competition (Q476300) appears questionable as well, since according to the ruwiki article, both are antonyms. I planned to discuss this with User:Infovarius anyway, but at this point I can already tell that this is very likely not a suitable merge target for competition (Q841654). —MisterSynergy (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Additional proposals have been made on the RFC, and your comments are welcome. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:40, 9 April 2018 (UTC) (for [[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754)
How do you think about it, this was rejected years ago but now has a lot of users who just make support votes. --117.136.54.99 23:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
关于港澳人物的姓名问题[edit]
从Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2018/07/22#Q17018059这个讨论来看，Pasleim表示东亚人物不应该使用基于拉丁文的姓名值（For people from East Asia I think they should not at all have P735 statements with a latin-script value.），而这类值大规模出现在港澳人物的项上，我觉得今后对于港澳人物，他们的姓名值应该考虑改回基于汉字的值，希望各位发表己见。--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: 我觉得他的看法有漏洞。如果一位东亚人物一生从没使用拉丁文字语言，那么 Pasleim 的说法还是有理的。但是考虑到港澳马新等地的情况，如果一位名人有惯用洋名，即使他的身份证明文件不包括这个名字，维基数据也应该收录。以该人士为本位而不是以地域为本位也避免了批判可靠来源和原创研究的问题。Deryck Chan (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)