User talk:Joan Gené

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Duplicates on ca.wikipedia[edit]

Hi! I saw you are working on Romans and changing labels on ca.wikipedia and wondered if you could help me with the following: someone has reported to me that Tiberius Claudius Nero (Q342512) and Tiberius Claudius Nero (Q11951808) were identical, but couldn't be merged as they each have a separate page on the Catalan wikipedia. It also seems to me that both refer to the same person, but I'm afraid of losing informations if I redirect one of it myself ; could you look into it? Thanks! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:26, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jahl de Vautban: I've looked at it and you're right. Both pages in the Catalan Wikipedia should be merged, but it requires some time because there is information in Tiberius Claudius Nero (Q11951808) lacking in the other. When I do it, I'll let you know. Joan Gené (talk) 17:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Working on antiquity with the help of RE[edit]

Dear Joan, I've seen that you are also working on sorting out ancient items, and I've also seen that you just added some RE-articles on de.wikisource. This is great! I started the RE project on de.wikisource in 2007 and am still working on it with a couple of others. Keep up the work. Just letting you know that I am here if you need any help.

Also, I just stumbled upon w:ca:Itàlic (rei), which contains two different persons. Maybe you would like to separate them? Best, --Tolanor (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tolanor: in the Catalan Wikipedia, a lot of work was done creating articles with Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology (Q1210336), but they need to be corrected, especially the adaptation of the naming. As I come across other type of errors I try to solve them, and RE is great to disambiguate. Congratulations for your great job, and I'll try to contribute as I can. Regarding w:ca:Itàlic (rei), I'm handling it. --Joan Gené (talk) 14:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Tolanor: I just stumbled upon w:de:Parthenopolis mentioned in Eutropius VI 10. It treats two different cities, both described in RE. s:de:RE:Parthenopolis 2 still does not exist; s:de:RE:Parthenopolis 1 is found in s:de:Kategorie:RE:Band S IX, and is also still inexistent. I'd like to distinguish both cities by creating both entries in RE and their respective wikidata items, but I have some doubts: for RE:Parthenopolis 1, do I have to create it below s:de:RE:Parthenopolis 1, in the same page, or do I have to create a new page? I'm also unsure whether I can create it or not because the volume (Pauly-Wissowa vol. S IX (Q26469739)) was published in 1962 and I think it might not be public domain; there's that note about level of creation, but I'm not sure about it's interpretation. On the other hand, it would be great if you could separate w:de:Parthenopolis in two different articles, as I totally lack active German. Thank you, --Joan Gené (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks for your questions! Yes, in that case, you would create the Nachtrag item directly under the original one, because they are both about the same topic. However, you're right that the Parthenopolis 1 entry in S IX is not in the public domain. For level of creation, we usually count 2 sentence articles, max 3 sentences. So the Parthenopolis 1 Nachtrag is a bit too long. What we (and you) can do in those cases, however, is what I have done at s:RE:Parthenopolis 1 now (as you can see): to use the parameter "Platzhalter" to create an item without transcribing it fully. That way you can still connect it to Wikidata items without breaching copyright law. About de:Parthenopolis: Yep, I will divide it. Btw, curiously en:Parthenopolis seems to know 2 completely different Parthenopoloi?
Btw, you don't have to create the Wikidata Items for the RE articles, ThebotIT does that.
One other thing: articles that you have created with an OCR and already proofread one time, you can put directly on korrigiert. --Tolanor (talk) 19:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tolanor: thank you for all your answers and advises. About en:Parthenopolis, I see it contains another Parthenopolis and an episcopal see based on a fourth completely different place, yes.--Joan Gené (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Straton the physician[edit]

Hi Joan, I stumbled upon ca:Estrató (escriptor) and his pupil, ca:Apol·loni Memfita. The article about the pupil (= s:de:RE:Apollonios 100) seems to link to the wrong Straton (there are 2 doctors of that name, cf. [1] No 19 and 20). Can you correct it? Meanwhile, I will add these Stratoi to the Wikisource RE. Best, --Tolanor (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tolanor: done!--Joan Gené (talk) 22:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coordenades escoles IB[edit]

Hola Joan, he vist que has estat canviant les coordenades de diversos centres docents de les Illes Balears. Van ser importades de les dades obertes del GovernIB... n'hi ha gaire, d'incorrectes? En tot cas, gràcies per millorar Wikidata! Quelet

@Quelet: el que passava és que molts de centres ja estaven creats; els vaig fusionar i generalment he preferit les coordenades antigues, perquè les que dius que venen del GOIB de vegades són aproximades. De vegades som un poc perfeccionista i si unes coordenades estan un poc desplaçades les puc haver modificat, també.--Joan Gené (talk) 09:37, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joan, the above mentioned article on ca.wikipedia (= Q11916843) should be separated into two articles so that we can link s:RE:Demetrios 107 to the one about the orator. Could you do that? Best, --Tolanor (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tolanor: here you have Demetrios 107 on ca.wikipedia (still without Wikidata object).--Joan Gené (talk) 22:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
perfect, thank you! --Tolanor (talk) 23:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joan, and here's yet another one: w:ca:Demetri el siri is currently a redirect to Cicero, which makes no sense. Could you revert to [2] and add RE:Demetrios 98 as a reference? Thank you! --Tolanor (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Will you create his wikidata item?--Joan Gené (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did so: Q112129615. Good team work! --Tolanor (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Joan, another problem of sorting: ca:Apol·loni de Naucratis seems to be a mixture of s:de:RE:Apollonios 87 (= Q11906246) and s:de:RE:Apollonios 88 (= Q18695744). Could you separate them into 2 different articles? We should probably do the same with en:Apollonius of Athens... Best, --Tolanor (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason in the cawp there's this ca:Apol·loni d'Atenes who's not linked to wd, and who seems to be s:RE:Apollonios 88. Am I right?--Joan Gené (talk) 09:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's right! --Tolanor (talk) 12:01, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marc el mag and Marc Herètic[edit]

Hi Joan! Could you have a look at w:ca:Marc el mag and w:ca:Marc Herètic? For what I understand they are about the same person and could be merged. Thanks! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 05:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done!--Joan Gené (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eutychianos the historian[edit]

Hi, ca:Eutiquià (historiador) mentions two historians that are not mentioned by the RE and seem to be different from de:Eutychianos (Historiker). Do we know of their sources and could they be separated? Best, Tolanor (talk) 02:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tolanor: in my opinion, both are really minor personalities, so I think the best option would be, in the CAWP, to redirect the page to the disambiguation, and in WD, to include Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology (Q1210336) as described by source (P1343).--Joan Gené (talk) 10:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would actually rather have an article for every one of the historians. This way, we have info (the little there is) on each one separately on different Wikidata items. My sense of completeness would be served by this. What do you think? --Tolanor (talk) 17:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tolanor: in this case I think the best option would be to create the corresponding items in the Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. But I am not sure how to create them, either one article for both historians or splitting the article in two different articles. Apparently someone has assigned pages for 3 Eutychianus, but I'm not sure if the third one is the redirection to Eutychianus Comazon or the splitted article for the two historians.--Joan Gené (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To me, it would be best to have a Wikidata item for each of these historians (and ideally, articles in at least one Wikipedia for each of them), minor as they might be. Wikidata should be more complete than any of these individual encyclopedias. Wondering what other editors like @Jahl de Vautban: have to say about this. --Tolanor (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tolanor: Ideally, I think we should have one wikidata article per person described, with described by source (P1343)Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology (Q1210336) and statement is subject of (P805) as qualifier with the corresponding Smith article (which Joan created) to support their existence. Two of those Eutychianos will share a Smith article, but it can't be helped. Now I think Joan was right in merging the initial page with the disambiguation, as otherwise it should have been described here with stuff like instance of (P31)Wikimedia set index article (Q15623926), which would only have added more confusion. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 10:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So, what is left is to split Euthychianus (Q11921319) and that's all.--Joan Gené (talk) 10:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sort of. I suggest that we merge Euthychianus (Q11921319) into Eutychianus (Q4173480) to replicate what you did with the interlink and then create two new Qid. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joan, could you check out the above article? Our item Q17294873 seems to mix up several people, as does the article on ca. We should separate at least into the one mentiond in Historia Augusta and Gaius Chirius Fortunatianus, the author of the ars rhetorica. Maybe you can start the separation on ca and then I will create the Wikidata items? Cf and w:de:Fortunatianus. Best, --Tolanor (talk) 19:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tolanor: I'll handle it.--Joan Gené (talk) 10:25, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tolanor: I've split w:ca:Curi Fortunatià by creating w:ca:Gai Quiri Fortunacià, now linked to Q17294873, while the former remains orphan of WD item. But I've noticed that there also existed w:ca:Curi Fortunat, which referred to the rhetorician and now redirects to Gai Quiri Fortunacià. That Curi Fortunat page had its own WD item, Q11916304. We can merge it with Q17294873, or use it for the orphan w:ca:Curi Fortunatià. What do you think?--Joan Gené (talk) 09:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Publi Muci Escevola[edit]

Hi Joan, I was wondering if there was some practical purpose in having both w:ca:Publi Muci Escevola and w:ca:Publi Muci Escèvola ? Also, we have just created Wikidata:WikiProject Antiquity, in case you are interested. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jahl de Vautban: 1 It had no sense, I have already corrected it 2 Thanks for the advice! How can I join?--Joan Gené (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! You can simply go to Wikidata:WikiProject Antiquity/Participants and your name to the list. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect use of subclass of (P279)[edit]

Hello –

This edit to "farmers' company town" (Q99945381) was in error. Because subclass of (P279) is transitive (for example, see this tree of parent classes), such errors lead to numerous false inferences, such as farmers' company town (Q99945381)subclass of (P279)process (Q3249551) Before you use the properties instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279), please be familiar with Help:Basic membership properties, and look at the value item in your statement to be sure it's the one you intend. (In particular, note that "A" is only a subclass of "B" if all instances of "A" are also instances of "B".) There is often another property that can accurately express the relationship you had in mind; in this case, has cause (P828) works better. You can search through available properties here. Thanks! Swpb (talk) 19:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation!--Joan Gené (talk) 20:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]


In the future, when merging duplicate entries, please merge into the _older_ entitiy. It is even the standard behaviour of Wikidata, simply don't change it. Thank you! --Anvilaquarius (talk) 10:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Anvilaquarius: that's what I did: Q110879249 is older than Q114728286, for the former was created in feb 2022‎, and the latter in oct 2022‎.--Joan Gené (talk) 11:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]