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Autodescription — fictional person (Q97498056)
description: fictional analogue of a person
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This item seems to be redundant and disruptive. See Talk:Q15632617. --Infovarius (talk) 23:43, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
- This item is neither redundant nor disruptive. Please assume good faith. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Infovarius, Pigsonthewing: I think this can be merged into fictional character (Q95074) (already the fictional analogue of person). "fictional person" can be added as an alias. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Q95074 is for a "fictional human or non-human character". Pluto (Q108732) (a fictional dog) is a fictional character, but not a fictional person. I've therefore removed the analogue with "person" from Q95074. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Why Pluto is not a fictional person? He has personality. --Infovarius (talk) 22:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Q95074 is for a "fictional human or non-human character". Pluto (Q108732) (a fictional dog) is a fictional character, but not a fictional person. I've therefore removed the analogue with "person" from Q95074. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Infovarius, Pigsonthewing: I think this can be merged into fictional character (Q95074) (already the fictional analogue of person). "fictional person" can be added as an alias. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: I was coming with the same question as @Infovarius:. In particular, I'm coming from the subclass anthropomorphic character (Q27921916) which has Len anthropomorphic character but is not a subclass of character, which is definitely strange and break some constraints. If we keep this item, at the very least we should fix it and its uses. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 14:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- It does seem, from what you say, that Q27921916 needs fixing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: yes but not only. For example, this item not being a subclass of person mean that every contraint applying to person can not be applied to fictional person ; for instance all the properties for familly relation (country of citizenship (P27) or child (P40)) can not be used for fictional person right now. anthropomorphic character (Q27921916) is not - by far - the only place where fix is needed. That's a lot of work and it starts with fictional person (Q97498056). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- AIUI, "fictional analogue of", not "subclass of" is the correct method of modelling in this case. "all the properties for family relation... can not be used for fictional person right now" Why not? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: because this is how constraints works, they rely on subclasses, see this sandbox test for instance. So we could add the subclass here or modify the hundreds of property constraints, but this need to be fixed. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- AIUI, "fictional analogue of", not "subclass of" is the correct method of modelling in this case. "all the properties for family relation... can not be used for fictional person right now" Why not? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: yes but not only. For example, this item not being a subclass of person mean that every contraint applying to person can not be applied to fictional person ; for instance all the properties for familly relation (country of citizenship (P27) or child (P40)) can not be used for fictional person right now. anthropomorphic character (Q27921916) is not - by far - the only place where fix is needed. That's a lot of work and it starts with fictional person (Q97498056). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- It does seem, from what you say, that Q27921916 needs fixing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)