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Autodescription — clinical finding (Q28807560)
description: medical finding related to the patient's medical signs and symptoms
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@Okkn, Лорд Алекс: I see that clinical finding (Q28807560) is a disjoint union of clinical sign (Q1441305) and symptom (Q169872), yet psychopathological symptom (Q30897648) is a subclass of both, which should be impossible. How do you suggest that we resolve this? Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- Also respiratory signs and symptoms (Q42183538) Bovlb (talk) 02:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- Also headache (Q86) is a subclass of both clinical sign (Q1441305) and pain (Q81938) which is a subclass of symptom (Q169872). Bovlb (talk) 02:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Bovlb: In general, a medical sign is an objective evidence, while a symptom is subjective, so they are different. headache (Q86) is not an objective evidence, but a symptom. respiratory signs and symptoms (Q42183538) and psychopathological symptom (Q30897648) should be a subclass of clinical finding (Q28807560). However, disjoint union of (P2738) on clinical finding (Q28807560) may have to be replaced with union of (P2737), because not all conditions can be clearly classified as medical sign or symptom.
- By the way, we also have to resolve instance of (P31) / subclass of (P279) problem. --Okkn (talk) 05:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Okkn: Thanks for that feedback. I have edited those three items to bring them into line with your suggestions. I'm going with subclass of (P279) here, because, for example, headache (Q86) is a collection, and i don't think, say, symptom (Q169872) is intended to be a second-order collection.
- I see remaining problems with myalgia (Q474959), thrombocytopenia (Q585285), hyperalgesia (Q1633866), itch (Q199602), fecal vomiting (Q1938763), digestive sign (Q54926352). Do you have a sense of whether they are signs or symptoms? Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 19:35, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Bovlb: I think it would be better if we have some metaclasses for signs and symptoms, in order to represent the semantic type of items, like . What's your opinion on this?
- thrombocytopenia (Q585285) is obviously a clinical sign (Q1441305) (objective evidence). Also, myalgia (Q474959), hyperalgesia (Q1633866), itch (Q199602) are clearly symptom (Q169872)s, because only the patients themselves notice those senses. digestive sign (Q54926352) should be a subclass of clinical finding (Q28807560).
- I'm not too confident, but probably fecal vomiting (Q1938763) can be regarded as both clinical sign (Q1441305) and symptom (Q169872). --Okkn (talk) 11:17, 20 January 2019 (UTC)