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Structured Data on Commons - community consultation on basic properties for media files[edit]

Achim Raschka (talk)
Brya (talk)
Dan Koehl (talk)
Daniel Mietchen (talk)
FelixReimann (talk)
Infovarius (talk)
Joel Sachs
Josve05a (talk)
Klortho (talk)
Lymantria (talk)
Mellis (talk)
Michael Goodyear
Mr. Fulano (talk)
Nis Jørgensen
Peter Coxhead
Andy Mabbett (talk)
Prot D
Rod Page
Soulkeeper (talk)
Strobilomyces (talk)
Tommy Kronkvist (talk)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Taxonomy. Hello everyone! This month (July 2018), we are hosting a quite crucial community consultation on Wikimedia Commons: we are listing the Wikidata properties that media files on Commons will need (including ones that might not exist yet, and might need to be created for this purpose). The consultation runs at least till the end of July, maybe longer.

Please consider to take a look and give input. It would be very helpful to hear how you think media files (images, videos, sounds) of species can best be described in structured data on Commons. Thanks! SandraF (WMF) (talk) 13:07, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Group and genus of birds[edit]

Hi. Can I swap enwiki articles "en:Sturnella" (on genus of birds) and "en:Meadowlark" (on group of birds) in Wikidata elements Meadowlark (Q48995566) and Sturnella (Q1431050)? See also "en:Leistes" (no label (Q48086620)). Thanks. --Renamerr (talk) 07:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Sure, but then also change Q48995566 to become common name of Sturnella and Leistes and change the labels and descriptions. - Brya (talk) 10:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I started, but I can not complete this task correctly. Please help to do this. Thank. --Renamerr (talk) 12:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
✓ Done - Brya (talk) 16:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


Is taxon synonym (P1420) only to be used on the incorrect name, linking to the correct name? Its Wikidata property example (P1855) (Sideridis reticulata (Q26171)) is symmetrical, but the wording of the property label suggests it shouldn't be. Thanks. --Azertus (talk) 14:55, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

taxon synonym (P1420) is not marked as a symmetric property (Q18647518) and that's correct. Whatever you me by „(in)correct name“... The property is to be used to list synonyms according to a taxonomic opinion/treatment/authority. --Succu (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Biralus satellitius (Q14897972) and Aphodius satellitius (Q1868625)[edit]

Biralus satellitius (Q14897972) and Aphodius satellitius (Q1868625) are the same species, but I don't know what do in this case, but have articles in wikipedias in both IDs and two pages in Wikispecies. How to procede in these cases? Mr. Fulano! Talk 01:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Leave both items as they are, but move Wikipedia sitelinks to just the one item, to whatever names seems best accepted, in this case probably Aphodius satellitius. The problem at Wikispecies has to be dealt with at Wikispecies. Preferably add "original combination" and "taxon synonym" (referenced if possible).- Brya (talk) 03:41, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Done, I moved sitelinks to Biralus satellitius (Q14897972) because it's the most usable name and more recent and I put 2 references. I'll report the mistake for Wikispecies. Mr. Fulano! Talk 17:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for notifying, seems one of them was added on Species in 2006 (Q1868625), and the second 2017 (Q14897972), with origin from CoL. I agree, that the latter seems to be the most correct, I have notified Wikispecies community now, for a consensus on this. Dan Koehl (talk) 19:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Following Dellacasa et al. (2001) and Dellacasa et al. (2016) the subgenus Aphodius (Biralus) is promoted to genus rank, therefore Aphodius satellitius is an invalid species name and Biralus satellitius is the valid name for this species.
[See: Dellacasa, G., Bordat, P., Dellacasa, M., 2001. A revisional essay of world genus-group taxa of Aphodiinae (Coleoptera: Aphodiidae). Memorie della Società Entomologica Italiana 79: 1-482.; Dellacasa, G., Dellacasa, M., Král, D., Bezděk, A., 2016, Tribe Aphodiini Leach, 1815. In: Löbl I. and Löbl D. (Eds.); Catalogue of Palaearctic Coleoptera, Scarabaeoidea, Scirtoidea, Dascilloidea, Buprestoidea, Byrrhoidea. Revised and Updated Edition. Brill, Leiden/Boston, 3: 98-155] Mariusm (talk) 12:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

The Life Sciences Identifier (LSID)[edit]

I was trying to insert the ID number for The Life Sciences Identifier (LSID) Q6459954 for a Japanese entomologist (see link), but it seems this type of ID-number doesn't have a property yet on Wikidata, e.g. to be to fill in the number for a given taxonomist? Should it be created? This subject seems to have been discussed before but with a somewhat idle result? What is your present opinion regarding a creation, AND/OR have I missed that this is already possible? Dan Koehl (talk) 10:15, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

We have ZooBank author ID (P2006). -You should use the value 3A83810E-8FC0-4CCB-A4C3-EF58B98828F1, not the whole LSID.-Succu (talk) 11:13, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you @Succu:. Dan Koehl (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)