Wikidata talk:WikiProject Mineralogy/Properties/Archive/2013/05

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Category tree

I think that we should have a category tree in the databank, similar to rruff.info/ima/ (with tags). There are c. 1,500 important minerals, 1,276 grandfathered minerals minus 74 questionable/ doubtful mineral species gives c. 1,269 important minerals and their series.

  • Minerals:
    • Grandfathered mineral tag
    • Strunz 8 ed (1982)
    • Nickel–Strunz 9 ed (2001)
    • Nickel–Strunz on mindat.org (10 ed, pending publication)
    • Fleischer’s Glossary of Mineral Species 10 ed (2008)
    • Part I: "Native Elements" class
    • Part II: "Sulfides and oxides" classes
      • Sulfides and sulfosalts
      • Oxides stricto sensu, hydroxides and "sulfite" character
    • Part III: "Carbonates and nitrates, halides and borates" classes
    • Part IV: Tetrahedral units
      • "Sulfates, phosphates, nesosilicates and germanates"
        • Sulfates and thiosulfates stricto sensu
        • Chromates, molybdates, wolframates, niobates stricto sensu
        • Phosphates, arsenates, vanadates stricto sensu
        • Nesosilicates and germanates stricto sensu
        • Structural groups of "sulfates, phosphates, nesosilicates and germanates"
      • Polymeric silicates
        • Sorosilicates
        • Cyclosilicates
        • Inosilicates
          • Single chain inosilicates
            • Pyroxenes
          • Multiple chains inosilicates
            • Amphiboles
        • Phyllosilicates
        • Non zeolitic tectosilicates
          • Silica family
          • Feldspars
          • Scapolite group
          • Cancrinite-sodalite structural group
          • Nepheline group
        • Zeolites
      • Organic compounds
  • Examples:
    • Tschermakite group → Calcium amphibole subgroup → w(OH, F, Cl)-dominant amphibole group → amphiboles (amphibole supergroup) → inosilicates
    • Rocksalt structural group
      • Sulfide class → Galena group
      • Halide class → Halite group
    • Garnet structural group
      • Arsenates → Berzeliite group
      • Nesosilicate subclass → Garnet group
    • Spinel structural group
      • Oxide class → Spinel group
      • Sulfide class → Linnaeite group (thiospinels)
    • Feldspathoid group (informal group)
      • Non zeolitic tectosilicates: cancrinite-sodalite structural group, nepheline group
      • Zeolites: natrolite framework (NAT)
  • --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the way Wikidata is organized we have to enter the data in a way that these trees can be constructed as queries. For example i entered that Pyroxene is a subclass of Inosilicate and those are a subclass of Silicates. This way a query for silicates and for inosilicates will return pyroxene. The thing with minerals (and biological classification I guess) is that we have multiple trees that we have to enter. --Tobias1984 (talk) 08:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't know, I never study databanks :-[ --Chris.urs-o (talk) 09:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Me neither. I have just been following along a little on what happens on Wikidata. We anyway need to get all our proposals reviewed by people that probably know everything about databases, but very little about mineralogy ;) --Tobias1984 (talk) 09:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Tobias1984: Dana and Strunz classifications define a tree; IMA definition of classes, supergroups, groups, subgroups and families doesn't define a tree but I think can be expressed using wikidata tools. --Sbisolo (talk) 09:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Exactly. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

it.wiki

I didn't like some mineral groups on it.wiki. I used the alternative instead:

Scapolite (Q429754) ‎instead of scapolite mineral group (Q3777809)
Garnets (Q105368) instead of gruppo del granato
Feldspars (Q170258) instead of gruppo del feldspato
Serpentine (Q335249) instead of gruppo del serpentino
Pyroxenes (Q192880) instead of gruppo del pirosseno
Apatite (Q178397) instead of apatite mineral group (Q3777546)
Tourmalines (Q179911) instead of supergruppo della tormalina
Amphiboles (Q17159) instead of supergruppo dell'anfibolo
Apophylites (Q261461) instead of gruppo dell'apofillite (Q3777545)
Melilite group (Q414123) instead of gruppo della melilite (Q3777746)
Maybe some more --Chris.urs-o (talk) 06:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Some of these, maybe all, can be merged. Thanks for suggestion. --Sbisolo (talk) 11:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome Sbisolo. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I changed my mind. I make apatite similar to olivine:
Apatite structural group
  • Belovite mineral group
  • Britholite mineral group
  • Hedyphane mineral group
  • Apatite mineral group
  • Apatite (chlorapatite, fluorapatite, hydroxylapatite)
Olivine structural group
  • Phosphate mineral class: triphylite mineral group
  • Nesosilicate mineral subclass: olivine structural group, stricto sensu
  • Olivine mineral group
  • Olivine solid solution series (fayalite–forsterite)
--Chris.urs-o (talk) 06:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Another correction:

Classification tag tree

Nice job on the tag tree Chris! I'm going to see if I can find the items for the missing groups. Otherwise we can probably create the rest of them.
These two items are about germanates, but more on the chemical side. Might need to be merged?: Q1514074, Q5551886 --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thx, Tobias1984. Agree, Q1514074, Q5551886 can be merged. Don't forget to activate the LabelLister gadget on preferences. Germanate (mineral group) is a subclass of germanate (chemical compound), these two groups should be kept separated. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Done --Chris.urs-o (talk) 06:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
On a related note we should probably involve the different language Wikiproject communities and ask them to create stub articles for the classification tree. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I think that there is no hurry. I needed an overview of the most important minerals. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Is it ok to use category items? We don't have Nickel–Strunz quartz family, I used category: quartz varieties (Q7282399) instead. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Fleischer's Glossary of Mineral Species

M. Fleischer (1971) Glossary of Mineral Species (1st edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 103p.
M. Fleischer (1975) Glossary of Mineral Species (2nd edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 145p.
M. Fleischer (1980) Glossary of Mineral Species (3rd edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 192p.
M. Fleischer (1983) Glossary of Mineral Species (4th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 202p.
M. Fleischer (1987) Glossary of Mineral Species (5th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 234p.
Michael Fleischer; Joseph A Mandarino (1991) Glossary of Mineral Species (6th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 256p.
Michael Fleischer; Joseph A Mandarino (1995) Glossary of Mineral Species (7th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 280p.
by J A Mandarino; Michael Fleischer (1999) Fleischer's Glossary of Mineral Species (8th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 225p.
by J A Mandarino; Malcolm E Back (2004) Fleischer's Glossary of Mineral Species (9th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 309p.
by Malcolm E Back; J A Mandarino; Michael Fleischer (2008) Fleischer's Glossary of Mineral Species (10th edition). (Mineralogical Record, Tucson) 345p.
Malcolm E Back was ill in 2012; J A Mandarino (1929–2007); Michael Fleischer (1908–1998) --Chris.urs-o (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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