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Wiki Loves Pride (Malta and EuroPride 2023)[edit]

Dear Wikimedians - I would like to bring to your attention a general Wiki Loves Pride international camapign that would like to encourage you to create LGBT+ related content in your language and more specifically to those in Malta to join Wiki Loves EuroPride 2023 campaign by contributing media (photo, video and audio recordings) as Valletta is hosting EuroPride soon. If you are interested to collaborate in any way and help us with promotion, outreach or other aspects please get in touch! -- Zblace (talk) 10:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Queer[edit]

I've run into a problem. Where should we reflect when someone says they're queer, but they don't specify if it's gender or sexual orientation related? Thank you Samthony (talk) 07:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Samthony: There is no easy answer to this. "Queer" is not a precise term with a certain meaning. It can many any or all of these -
This is an important issue both for WikiProject LGBT+ and for the general case of tagging anyone with demographic data.
We have data, like the list of people in 500 Queer Scientists profile (P8243), which could support claims that all people in that list are "queer". It is not obvious what that means though, and problems arise in other demographic groups if we scale up labeling people.
Part of the answer is probably talking things through. What options for a best practice do you see here? Bluerasberry (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This question originated with me. I was doing authority and Wikidata work on an author whose home page says "queer. brown. writer" and whose about page says "She is a proud queer woman." So I wanted to state in her WD item that she is queer, but as shown above, there isn't a clear place to put it. I asked in the WD Telegram group and someone said to use sexual orientation (P91) with value non-heterosexuality (Q339014). Even if that value is correct, which is unclear, it does not record her stated identity as "queer." I wonder if WD needs a new property for "identifies as"? AdamSeattle (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I kind of favor the idea of a less-rigid "identifies as" property here for aspects of identities that people may want publicly attached to their Wikidata items which transcend specific demographic categories we already have such as "LGBTQ+" or "Queer". It has been pointed out by others in a separate email discussion that it would be important to specify that identification was public self-identification at a specific point in time, and I think they were spot-on. As with gender and sexual orientation statements, I think it's important to require references for a property like this because of possible privacy violations, and to clearly direct users not to include deprecated values. I don't like the idea of recording anyone's sexual orientation as "non-heterosexuality" unless that's how they've phrased it--that feels heteronormative to me even if it's not the intention, and as Adam points out it's not the same as "queer". I'd love to see a more specific property suggestion for this! --Crystal Yragui, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good questions. I personally use "queer" to refer both to my sexual orientation and as a synonym for being a part of the LGBTQ community, though my Wikidata entry doesn't reflect this currently (it's referenced in this article if someone wants to edit my entry; I'd rather not do it myself). Funcrunch (talk) 19:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Based on @Funcrunch's self-identification disclosure, and in the interest of trying it out in WD, I modified their item and added:
    sexual orientation (P91) --> non-heterosexuality (Q339014), with qualifier: object named as (P1932) --> queer, along with 2 references: reference URL: https://funcrunch.org/, retrieved 1 February 2024 and Wikimedia import URL: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_LGBT#Queer.
    I used non-heterosexuality (Q339014) because it has the definition "sexual orientation other than heterosexual / straight" and the alias "queer". AdamSeattle (talk) 18:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks - I'm not sure if referencing this discussion is acceptable for Wikidata purposes, but if it is, a permalink to my statement should probably be used instead. Funcrunch (talk) 20:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Self-identification issues[edit]

This is a complicated topic which might become difficult to discuss by text. I would be interested in discussing it by voice or video, perhaps hosted by Wikimedia LGBT+. I am happy to continue here though for as long as that seems useful to everyone.

One question being asked here is how we do conventional Wikidata editing, where we have a claim and simply want to apply it in the right model. That means "(person) -> (identifies) -> (queer)", and we debate and set quality standards for how we model this.

Much more complex are the other ideas you are raising -

  • "it would be important to specify that identification was public self-identification at a specific point in time"
  • "it's important to require references for a property like this because of possible privacy violations"
  • "clearly direct users not to include deprecated values"

Wikidata is not set up to do any of these things. We can do them, but if anyone wants these processes, then we need some documentation published saying how this should work and acknowledging the weirdness and friction these cause.

I do not have answers but here are some questions to address:

  1. In what ways does Wikidata treat self-identification versus third-party identification differently?
  2. We have no capacity for identity verification. What do we do when someone contacts us with self-published self-identification claims, but we cannot verify their identity?
  3. How do we respond to privacy violation complaints when we have third party verification?
  4. Wikidata by default keeps deprecated values, and I am unaware of any project precedent of doing things differently. Do we want to accept that default going into this modeling, or is there something to discuss first?

I will give an example: we have the project 500 Queer Scientists (Q94494095) and tag people in that project with 500 Queer Scientists profile (P8243). To what extent is it okay for Wikidata to tag all those people as queer?

Adding a queer identifier to biographies seems significantly more complicated than adding other sorts of claims. I can support advancing this data modeling in a few cases as a pilot, for discussion, with intent to develop the social and ethical issues, but if people have expectations that this identification comes with support services that Wikidata does not offer, then we should talk that through and establish some level of consent before doing this at scale. Bluerasberry (talk) 16:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Increase diversity in our Wikidata integrations research[edit]

Hello WikiProject LGBT editors!

Wikidata for Wikimedia Projects at Wikimedia Deutschland is focused on enhancing data reuse and functionality between Wikidata and its sibling projects. We are sorely lacking diversity in our research and are seeking fresh perspectives.

We are conducting 1-hour interview calls to understand editors' experiences (positive & negative) when integrating Wikidata with other Wikimedia projects (Wikipedia, Commons, Wikisource etc.). Your insights will help ensure the products we build are suitable for all editors, regardless of gender, sexual-orientation, language or experience level.

Interview Information:

  • Interviews will be conducted in English.
  • Compensation is available.
  • Sessions will be scheduled soon and on a rolling basis.
  • Sign up here if you are interested.
  • Diversity: We are keen to hear from women editors; editors with a diverse gender or sexuality; beginner or casual editing experience and/or those who edit in non-latin or non-western languages.

Thank you for your interest in contributing to our research, Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.s. We also invite you to write to us if you prefer to contribute in written form. Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why just LGBT?[edit]

Does this project include asexuality and pansexuality? If not why not? If so why not call it WikiProject LGBTQ?

Thanks for reading. SigurdsSister (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The project page describes that it is centered around LGBT+, and this is also in the logo used. I think it's pretty clear that it should cover all queer topics and identities. I wonder how much work it'd be to change the page title, though? Surely one could just slap a plus on there, with a redirect? EdoAug (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello !
While LGBT is (kinda) international, which additional letters are often used still varies a lot depending on country, language and other groups. For instance LGBTQ is often used in English language, but in France we either use LGBTIQ or LGBTQIA and in Canada LGBTQ2I. That's why we settled on LGBT+. Léna (talk) 14:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

author disambiguation surfaces trans identity / deadnames[edit]

"Author disambiguation" is the most common kind of biographical disambiguation.

If someone trans, such as a scientist or artist or whatever, is "disambiguated", then many Wikidata processes would find them by their current and previous name/deadname because of previously published works using both names. The same processes also work on people who change their name after marriage, or change their name for any reason.

There are LGBT+ customs against keeping old names or deadnaming. In various ways, Wikidata preserves these names, and in a lot of cases it is not certain what to do otherwise.

I could show examples. I think lots of people could quickly find examples in Wikidata. It seems not safe or right to do so, though, because it would draw attention to trans people who are professional but not public figures.

I am not sure what to do in reaction to this. There are major publishers who retroactively change the names of people with name changes, but Wikidata uses so many sources that this often does not work for our purposes. I have no solutions but wanted to log the issue. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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