Wikidata:Property proposal/First attestation

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First known attestation[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

DescriptionTo indicate the first know usage of a word, may or may not be the actual coinage.
Data typeItem
DomainLexeme
Allowed valuesmembers of subclasses of intellectual work (Q15621286)?
Example 1cromulent (L40594)Lisa the Iconoclast (Q2982249)
Example 2electricity (L10918)Pseudodoxia Epidemica (Q6037862)
Example 3quark (L2898) (scientific sense only) → A schematic model of baryons and mesons (Q54006342)
See alsonamed by (P3938), inception (P571), derived from (P5191), time of earliest written record (P1249)

Motivation[edit]

Basically what it says in the description. Etymology is covered by derived from (P5191), but the dating of coinages is not covered by any property. inception (P571) doesn't really work, and significant event (P793) even less so. And even if we tried, we don't have an item for "word coinage" that could be used with it anyway. Circeus (talk) 15:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support though (as in your last example) should this be only a property of senses, or does it also make sense for lexemes as a whole (presumably the earliest sense attestation is the appropriate one for the lexeme too)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Sometimes it's a sense thing, sometimes it's a word-level. In the case of quark, it's being borrowed from Finegans Wake, but in that work, it's clearly referring to quark (Q259642), the dairy product (which was possibly found in earlier sources, but I don't have access to the OED to confirm). Electricity and Cromulent, though, seem to have clear places of first use (another example in that category would be "grok", from Stranger in a Strange Land (Q929821) and thoughtcrime from Nineteen Eighty-Four (Q208460)) Circeus (talk) 15:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment @Circeus, ArthurPSmith: I was about to create this, but it seems that possible overlap with time of earliest written record (P1249) should be addressed (even if that property seems more suitable for items about places whatever its current actual name). --- Jura 17:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Circeus: ✓ Done please make good use of it. --- Jura 08:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)