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Hi @Quesotiotyo - You said "it's common for Americans to be known only by their primary given name and family name; she would be called "Brandi Carlile" even if she weren't a performer; "stage name""

This isn't really a rule is it it? Billy Ray Cyrus is not recording as "Billy Cyrus", Dolly Rebecca Parton performs as Dolly Parton but Rebecca Lynn Howard doesn't perform as "Rebecca Howard". We need a way to indicate what name variant a performer uses when performing even when it's not a pseudonym. Any ideas?

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I don't understand the distinction that you are trying to make. None of these people uses a different name when performing. They are all known by their name in native language (P1559) in virtually every context. Brandi Carlile (Q164060) and Dolly Parton (Q180453) happen to be known by their first name and surname (as are most Americans), in which case the full birth name is given at birth name (P1477). The absence of that property for the other two that you mentioned indicates that they are known by their full names.

I can think of many performers who are known entirely by their stage name (Q1055303) and a few who are known by a stage name when performing vs. their actual name when not. I'm struggling to think of anyone who is known by both their full name and a shortened form of that name in different contexts.

--Quesotiotyo (talk) 17:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Brandi Carlile is an example of an artist that performs using one name ("Brandi Carlile"), while she uses her full name or middle initial when composing music ("Brandi Marie Carlile"/"Brandi M. Carlile"). This is quite common.

I'm not trying to be nitpicky or start a quarrel here, the problem I want to solve is how to make a machine/program/query understand what name to use in a given context when an artist has several names or name variants. I agree with you that it's mostly obvious to the human eye (of a music fan), but how to relate that information to a script/query?

I have to disagree with your statement that she uses a separate name when composing music (I'm also not trying start a quarrel, I promise!). Just because a particular catalog has chosen to include her middle initial/name (likely for legal reasons) does not mean that she has chosen to use that as a separate identity. I do agree with how you used named as (P1810) for IPI name number (P1828) (though personally I would rewrite it in the proper name order for clarity's sake) and I think it's perfectly fine to include any such name as an alias. I don't see the need to do anything more beyond that.

--Quesotiotyo (talk) 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

maybe I'm overthinking it, wouldn't be the first time :) As for the IPI "named as" I always copy the names exactly as found in ISWC, including when names are spelled wrong. It helps when checking against the registry later but isn't really meant for general/sparql consumption.

It's always nice to meet a fellow overthinker. :) Good point on copying the names verbatim. I did the same thing recently when I discovered several misspelled names on orcid.org and I wanted to note the error on the person's page without adding it as an alias and propagating it.

Ha en fin dag!

--Quesotiotyo (talk) 02:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)