Talk:Q564328

I have changed the use of pictures not motivated by vandalisme, but by date. The picture used now is from 2016, the one I chose is from 2020. I gather she finds the one used now as more flattering as it is from her own homepage. In wpno, we collect pictures from WD, but I can replace i in the infobox directely, no problem. There is no need for more pictures i WD as they are stored in commons. --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

You can change which picture is preferred here in Wikidata, but not delete them (which is vandalism). It is not important what you or I think that she prefers.

I set the preferred picture not by any assumption and not (only) by date. I chosse one (or more) in which she is clearly identifiable, which is in a picture where as much of the face of a person is seen as possible. Mirer (talk) 15:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

And I say you are wrong saying deleting pictures on WD is vandalism, it is the opposite. It is cleaning up. The reason is that the pictures can be found on Commons. The picture does not disappear. There is no need to double it on WD. In many cases WD does not have any pictures at all. However, if you find a wrong date of birth, it should not be deleted, bud ajusted to deprecated rank. In that way we can track down the source of the wrong date, as we do not have Commons of sources of wrong dates of birth. --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Well I don't agree on that and I'm quite sure you can't link a rule for that. Deleting all pictures but the one you like was, is and will be vandalism. I see that you had good faith, but I don't agree on the way to reach your goal. --Mirer (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, there is at least some satisfaction for me that my vandalism is deemed to be made in good faith! But let me ask user:pmt, that is a long time user on Wikidata. --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

And the question is whether it is vandalism or indeed maintenance to remove pictures from Wikidata, when pictures are not longer in use. --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by "not longer in use"?!? YOU didn't want one of these pictures in "no", that doesn't mean that others (wikis or third party users) don't want/use them. I clearly stated why they are more useful for some cases, so you can't delete them, because you favor another one and decide those are no longer in use. This is not maintenace ... --Mirer (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I understand your question! Is that is a progress, or what? I write on Wikipedia, have done so for more than 13 years, and written more than 2 000 articles. I make use of Wikidata only when it is useful for Wikipedia. In wpno we transfer to our infoboxes certain parts of the information on Wikidata. I that respect we are rather more sofisticated than for example dewp... The picture chosen on Wikidata is reflected in our boxes. If you are a pure Wikidata-person, you will not accept that as an argument, but for me it is of value. I trust that WD at any time will show the most accurate and most up to date information on the subject of the biography, including pictures. For me WD is a tool, not a goal itself. Would you have chosen a fifty year old picture as preferred picture for any person? I have a question for you: what is the purpous of storing pictures in WD that are already stored i Commons, but for serving Wikipedia? Respectfully, yours... --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata still has the picture you want. I respect if you or other want the newest picture of a person. It just isn't as good as some other pictures, when you try identifying her. There are pictures from a better angle with better quality which is to be preferred in some cases as Infoboxes.

If you want to use always the newest picture, you still can - I didn't delete anything. I just restored what you deleted. Tag all the pictures with dates (at least the years) and choose always the latest.

The main purpose of storing pictures here is to serve Wikidata itself. It makes the object identifiable at first glance. The better it does that, the better the picture. In Commons there is quite a big category where users file wishes, which picture should be cropped (and added) to Wikidata as a (new) picture for that object (most of them people).

Since you can tag them in different ways you can provide more than one an other users can choose between those. Whether automatically or not. Whatever these 3rd party users have to do to get exactly the content they want, is to be done by them and not by deleting content here. --Mirer (talk) 01:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I think I will never accept that WD will have a purpouse of itself. I will loose contact with the outer world. The present picture does not identify her better. You can see both her ears, but that is not interesting as we actually does know her identity. But she is older now. And the present picture is a product of her own propaganda. I does not show her as she is - at present.--Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 20:48, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

If you think that the current picture which shows a lot of her body and a man with a bald head in the background is better to recognize a person than a portrait than I can't help you and you can keep your opinion.

But if you wan't to impose this opinion on the rest of the world by deleting (!) the portraits here in Wikidata, then I'll just revert you. --Mirer (talk) 14:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)