Talk:Q4767951
Autodescription — cattle (Q4767951)
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- livestock (Q103459)
- cattle (Q830)
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details on orthopedic horseshoe (Q192130)[edit]
@Brya: "Подкова" claims use of orthopedic horseshoe (Q192130): "Крупный рогатый скот тоже нуждается в ортопедических подковах.".
I don't have more specific information. d1g (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Orthopedic horseshoes are something different. Anyway, they are not commonly used on cattle: remedies are not characteristic of cattle, or of humans. - Brya (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
English article cattle[edit]
My edit was reverted with the comment "no changes without prior discussion". I think that English article en:cattle belong to this entity (Q4767951). @Jklamo: do you have arguments against this? --Grenck (talk) 12:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- What is your argument as to why the English article en:cattle should belong to this entity (Q4767951)? - Brya (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- By definition: Q4767951 - domesticated bovines as livestock, Q830 - domesticated form of Aurochs, the taxon. en:cattle is about both, but more about bovines as livestock. --Grenck (talk) 17:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- What is your argument as to why the English article en:cattle should belong to this entity (Q4767951)? - Brya (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- Most of the pages linked in Q830 deal with both the taxon and domesticated bovines as livestock, so that is not a good argument. None of the pages linked in Q4767951 deal with the taxon. - Brya (talk) 18:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- OK, can agree with you on this. But what was the problem here? --Grenck (talk) 09:22, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
- Well, the Commons link is unobjectionable, but the other linked pages clearly do not deal with cattle as a taxon. - Brya (talk) 11:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
- Pardon, but Q830 is about domestic female bovine. --Infovarius (talk) 16:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
- We have cow (Q11748378) for that. - Brya (talk) 03:37, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- May be to move some interwikis there? At least ru/uk/be. Q830 is protected :( --Infovarius (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- We have cow (Q11748378) for that. - Brya (talk) 03:37, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Given the wide range in topics that these pages tend to deal with, the ru/uk/be pages appear to fit in pretty well with the rest, even if none deal with exactly the same topics as any other. It seems pretty clear that there would be a lot of users that would not be happy with a move of the ru/uk/be pages away from the others. - Brya (talk) 04:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
not an argument[edit]
User:Grenck stopped taking part in the discussion on this page and resorts to reverts, the latest with the edit summary "all those articles closer related to english article cattle". This is not any kind of argument; enwiki favours long messy pages with bits and odds of everything in them (however tenuously related). Very often lots of pages on lots of topics have something in common with something on a enwiki page, and by this argument there should be four or five sitelinks per wiki linked to each enwiki page, which fortunately is not possible. Going by the content of enwiki pages is a recipe for creating an unholy mess.
The whole purpose of sitelinks is to link pages on similar topics. Putting half the sitelinks for the topic in another item (because the enwiki page also has something on the topic) deprives a lot of Wikipedia's of the links they should have and disrupts the basic fabric of Wikidata. - Brya (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- I moved only articles which are exactly correspond to Q830. --Grenck (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- The tpiwiki page, with a length of 186 bytes, has exactly the same content as the enwiki page, with a length of 154,310 bytes? Words fail me ... - Brya (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Not the same content, but the same topic. Topic - Q830. --Grenck (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- The tpiwiki page, with a length of 186 bytes, has exactly the same content as the enwiki page, with a length of 154,310 bytes? Words fail me ... - Brya (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- The enwiki page is long and messy and covers a lot of topics. The tpiwiki page may match one of the topics on the enwiki page, but that does not mean anything. The topic of the tpiwiki page is quite different from the concept of the item Q830. - Brya (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can see, this entity is not only about Q237993 but about all Q4979192. --Goudseman (talk) 10:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe, although I am not seeing what that would be based on. Any pages in particular? - Brya (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- I google translated ru:Крупный рогатый скот and also kkwiki, ukwiki. --Goudseman (talk) 05:54, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe, although I am not seeing what that would be based on. Any pages in particular? - Brya (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. As far as I can see, this is not very conclusive. Ruwiki mentions Bovinae in the introduction, but the page itself does not seem to return to that. Kkwiki explicitly includes the Aurochs, but only in comparison. Ukwiki emphasizes that the page is about livestock not any zoological concept and draws a comparison with other livestock (sheep, goats) but the page itself seems to be pretty uniformly about cattle. - Brya (talk) 07:00, 8 June 2019 (UTC)