Talk:Q4582194

@Bencemac: Are you kidding me?

• The issue of this item is a cross-project activity. There are forum pages, solving technical problems.
• It is displayed in current user language for
  • wikt:en:Wiktionary:Grease pit
  • wikt:sv:Wiktionary:Teknikvinden
  • v:it:Wikiversità:Officina
  • s:fr:Wikisource:Questions techniques
  • Polish Wikivoyage at voy:pl:Wikipodróże:Pub podróżnika/Kwestie techniczne
  • Wikidata:Contact the development team
• It is definitely the wrong name for a cross-wiki platform issue to label this item “Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)” since it is not a “Wikipedia” issue. And it is not a valid name for an item shared between French Wikipedia at w:fr:Wikipédia:Questions techniques to use “Wikisource:Questions techniques” as common label for displaying this item in French and for all French projects.
• You have reverted me by Special:Diff/1078138133. Please undo this immediately, since you are sysop and I do not get into direct fight with sysops.
• It is the second revert here. I caught already Special:Diff/1076132133 and have been asked to add aliases for renamed labels. I did.
• I spent more than two hours now on this item, and even sysops do not kow what they are doing, nor do they understand that a project page used on Wikisource, Wiktionary and even Wikidata must not be labelled as “Wikipedia” issue in particular.

--PerfektesChaos (talk) 13:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Wiki prefixes are for aliases, not for labels. Just an example, Wiki:Kocsmafal (műszaki) for huwiki is completely incorrect. Bencemac (talk) 14:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bencemac: Then please find a better one for all types of Hungarian projects.

There is one and only one label, but all types of wiki projects are to be covered.

You have re-established “Wikisource:Questions techniques” as the one and only label for all kinds of displaying this thing in French language. However, your revert leads to complete nonsense for w:fr:Wikipédia:Questions techniques since that is not a Wikisource.

A reader from France who is not familiar with Hungarian gets listed that page in w:hu:Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki) to appear as “Wikisource:Questions techniques” which is nonsense as well since huwiki is not a Wikisource and again there is not a page w:hu:Wikisource:Questions techniques.

A reader from Hungaria will find the local page Wikidata:Contact the development team being labeled as “Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki)” – again, this is completely nonsense since Wikidata is not a Wikipédia.

The labels and descriptions used here are to be independent of mentioning any particular Wiki and type of Wiki.

--PerfektesChaos (talk) 11:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

"Wiki:" prefix is a good universal prefix for all wikiprojects. Here I support PerfektesChaos. Bencemac, please note that label should not be identical to title of sitelink. And even if you want to do the opposite, which project to choose for the (single) label? It is conflicting. --Infovarius (talk) 16:36, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

This is why you should ask the community first before you start to changing the labels. Did you do that? Bencemac (talk) 17:34, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I did scan all guidelines for labelling and describing items, but nowhere any rules for cross-wiki project pages can be detected, and also there is no group in Wikidata:WikiProjects dealing with that.

For more than five years now Wikidata is coupling project pages across wiki types, and a guideline for neutral labelling and describing cross-wiki project pages must have been published several years ago, but it cannot be found anywhere. If the community officials hide that guideline perfectly this is not my fault. If they never made any thoughts on this issue but have mixed many thousands of sitelinks together with wrong labels this is also not my fault.

Anyway, it is at least a stupid idea to give the page Wikidata:Contact the development team the label in French again “Wikisource:Questions techniques” as Bencemac did by revert. I only corrected this obviously wrong and misleading label, and I did not know that in the database every internet user in the world may edit I have to ask somebody first before I am permitted to improve a definitely wrong entry.

@MisterSynergy, YMS: Would you please be so kind and tell me the current Wikidata guideline to label and describe cross-wiki project pages? And/or solve this issue officially, since I am a stranger here and do not find any guidance in the Wikidata documents.

Greetings PerfektesChaos (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

There is no formal policy as far as I am aware, but we use common sense in these cases. As you have correctly pointed out, "Wikipedia:" is not an appropriate label prefix in these cases as we have labels per language, not per project. The usual solution in cases such as this one is to use "Project:" (in English) as a pseudo namespace prefix, as we are talking about pages in the project namespace that have different prefixes in different projects. We use translations of "Project:" in other languages, e.g. "Projekt:" in German. It is advisable to add actual page titles of sitelinks as aliases, to ensure that the item is readily accessible via the Mediawiki search function.
That said, the actual labels of these meta items do not really matter. We are describing an internal Wikimedia concept here, with (page) titles that we have invented by ourselves; the labels are usually not really in use anywhere else, and the main purpose of the item is to provide interwikilinks. The "Project:" pseudo namespace prefix is chosen in labels in order to avoid the notion of Wikipedia imperialism within the Wikimedia movement. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)