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Autodescription — archer (Q13382355)
description: sportsperson taking part in archery competitions
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- athlete (Q2066131)
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@Okkn: Despite the fact it may "seem reasonable",
- sport shooter (Q17486376) field of this occupation (P425) shooting sport (Q206989)
- but archery (Q108429) is not subclass of (P279) shooting sport (Q206989)
- thus archer (Q13382355) cannot be subclass of (P279) sport shooter (Q17486376)
--Horcrux92 (talk) 10:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Horcrux92: According to en:Shooting sports, archery (Q108429) can be subclass of (P279) shooting sport (Q206989). Why do you think archery (Q108429) is not subclass of (P279) shooting sport (Q206989).? —Okkn (talk) 14:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Okkn: Because I've read only the Wikipedia I come from :-) Anyway I think en.wiki is wrong: the 2 referenced sources ([1][2]) just state that with bows you can shoot (wow, great discovery :-)), but not that archery belongs to the category of shooting sports. See also official sources of shooting sports as ISSF, paralympic.org or olympic.org and tell me if you see anywhere the words "archery" or "bow". --Horcrux92 (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Horcrux92: I understand is not always right. By the way, archery (Q108429) has already been subclass of (P279) shooting sport (Q206989) on Wikidata since 6 August 2015. --Okkn (talk) 14:57, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- Right, my assertion "archery (Q108429) is not subclass of (P279) shooting sport (Q206989)" was wrong. So I propose to change both of them. --Horcrux92 (talk) 15:13, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Horcrux92: The italian Wikipedia focuses heavily on the Olympics/Paralympics, which probably separates the disciplines because of two different world associations (ISSF and WA). If you take ISSF as source it's clear that they don't include archery when they say "shooting sport", because that is handled by another association. For example in Germany there's one association for all shooting disciplines including archery (Deutscher Schützenbund). I actually think it is that simple, that if you do a sport that involves shooting an object onto a target, you are doing shooting sport. And the German (Shooting sports and Archery) and English Wikipedia ((Shooting sports)) agree on that.
- And by the way: What do you think about shooting the Crossbow? Is that also not a shooting sport? --Floscher (talk) 11:01, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's not important what I think. May you provide reliable sources? --Horcrux92 (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Would this count as a source?: "Adaptive shooting sports include adaptive archery, parashooting, and adaptive trapshooting." doi:10.1007/978-3-319-56568-2_25.
- I would genuinely be interested in where you would put the border between shooting and non-shooting sports. The crossbow is interesting in this regard, because it is quite similar to the bow, but with the key difference that it stores energy for you. So (at least here in Germany) this makes the crossbow a weapon while the bow is not a weapon. Some people will draw the line there (weapon vs non-weapon), or you look at it as firearm vs non-firearm or some other people see it as shooting-things-at-a-target vs not-shooting-anything. --Floscher (talk) 12:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Just for reference, I linked to here from w:en:Talk:Shooting_sports#Sources_for_statement_that_archery_is_a_shooting_sport?, because either should the sources be updated over there or the claim in question should be removed from the Wikipedia page over there. --Floscher (talk) 12:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's not important what I think. May you provide reliable sources? --Horcrux92 (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Horcrux92: I understand is not always right. By the way, archery (Q108429) has already been subclass of (P279) shooting sport (Q206989) on Wikidata since 6 August 2015. --Okkn (talk) 14:57, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Okkn: Because I've read only the Wikipedia I come from :-) Anyway I think en.wiki is wrong: the 2 referenced sources ([1][2]) just state that with bows you can shoot (wow, great discovery :-)), but not that archery belongs to the category of shooting sports. See also official sources of shooting sports as ISSF, paralympic.org or olympic.org and tell me if you see anywhere the words "archery" or "bow". --Horcrux92 (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)