Talk:Q1204938

What the... How do you edit this shit?!?

I was going to move the link to the Finnish page into its correct place -- "Finnish" in Finnish is Suomi, so the link belongs down at Su.., not up at Fi... -- but the interface is totally screwed-up.

There really wasn't all that much wrong with the old Wikicode stuff. At least, when a line of text was in the wrong place there, you could just cut it out and paste it in at its correct place.

It is not at all obvious how to do that with this "improved" page. -- 22:43, 24 October 2015‎ CRConrad

@CRConrad: Hello. We use ISO 639 1–3 codes on Wikimedia, which is "fi" for the Finnish language. See also here. Regards, Vogone (talk) 22:22, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

@Vogone: Uh, yeah... but you misunderstand. The URL of this page is "www.wikidata.org", now you're talking about "Wikimedia"... I was trying to edit a page on Wikipedia. There, the practice is -- or at least used to be -- that languages are ordered in order of the language name in that language. So what you are saying (and what I since have found out, again, elsewhere) is that some "rationalisation project" has unified the lists of links to different languages among all wiki-something projects(+), and thereby fxxxored-up this sensible Wikipedia practice? But we're all just supposed to live with that, because "We use ISO 639 1–3 codes on Wikimedia" (or wikidata, or wherever we are)? Nice. Thanks a lot. Not.

See also: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q146641 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Wikibase_clients.C2.A0%3A_sort_the_language_links_by_alphabetical_labels_of_the_languages

And BTW, I know the language code for Suomi is "fi" and that "fi" is spelled with an "f". One would think that was pretty apparent from my original comment above(#), where I pointed out that this is wrong. That was -- and is -- precisely the problem! So pointing out that "we" use language codes and that the code for Finnish starts with F feels rather herablassend. If the condescension was intentional, perhaps it could be better applied somewhere else? (Hopefully it wasn't, and I'm just reading into it because I'm pretty pissed off about this all over again. Hopefully.)

(+): Except the original wikiwiki, I assume.

(#): But thanks (genuine this time) for replying so promptly. And thanks to wikidata's / wikimedia's (whatever...) notification system for alerting me to your reply now, a little over a year after the fact, :-) and thereby reminding me that I had run into this shtuff before. (Had to check the history, since I'd apparently forgotten to sign back then. Amended.)

CRConrad (talk) 13:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

@CRConrad: I'm sorry to hear the changes have been frustrating for you. :( Moving the interwiki links to a central place is supposed to make things better because we now only need to store them once, not hundreds of times (for example, there's now no need for an army of bots to keep them in sync) but I can understand that it's really annoying when things change and you can't figure out how to do something that used to be easy to do. The links should be automatically ordered according to the local wiki's settings and, as far as I can tell, the interwiki links on the pages here are currently ordered that way (by native language at enwiki, by language code at dewiki, etc). Is there something else about this one in particular that's wrong that I've missed? If not, let's continue any further discussions about the ordering at Wikidata:Contact the development team, it's more visible there. :) - Nikki (talk) 10:40, 17 November 2016 (UTC)