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Autodescription — number (Q11563)
description: mathematical object used to count, label, and measure
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Subclass of quantity
[edit]@Infovarius: I would think that a quantity (Q309314) must be a certain number of some type of thing, while, for example, the number "-6.3i" isn't a quantity on its own. --Yair rand (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: Yair rand is right, I have the same opinion of him in 2019, you cancelled my edit but not answered him. Why not ? Well …
- Beside, "quantity" is a relationship between and object and some kind of measurement, a number of needle in a haystack, so it’s a relationship, while a number is an abstract object. These are different thing, you can’t conflate a relation with a number it is a part of. author TomT0m / talk page 21:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not always. many (Q56404522) is also a quantity. --Infovarius (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Infovarius There is then a linguistic ambiguity. Many is either a qualifier, "there are many things in this collection", or a noun "the many". It’s already a different sense in a dictionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/many , and would be different lexemes in the lexicographical datas of Wikidata. Conflating those sense in an item is a nonsense as items are all about semantics … this ends up in a big nonsensical class tree mess when you sum up all these problems on many items. By giving different senses to the same item you just can’t deal with the transitive nature of subclass of (P279) : A "subclass of" B and B "subclass of" C is supposed to imply that A "subclass of" C . But if you conflate several senses into A, B and C it does not make any sense anymore to follow the chain of "subclass of" statements.
- That’s how you end up with nonsenses like "Albert Einstein is an instance of many", in the end. author TomT0m / talk page 09:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- I mean the "noun" sense. Though I don't see the difference between senses, and I suspect both adjective and noun would have this item as item for this sense (P5137). --Infovarius (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: My message about the classification gadget] today on project chat, that I was working on, might enlight on the issue at end. "quantity" is a subclass of "property", and "number" is a subclass of object. The two classes are supposed to be disjoint and this is not the case here.
- If it’s a property, you have to take the sense of an adjective. It’s a property of a collection of object. If it’s a mathematical object, you have to take it as an abstract mathematical object, I think. author TomT0m / talk page 12:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- I mean the "noun" sense. Though I don't see the difference between senses, and I suspect both adjective and noun would have this item as item for this sense (P5137). --Infovarius (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Please add cbk-zam:Numero. Thank you. 147.136.249.114 17:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)