User talk:Mike Peel/Archive 6

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Request

Hello dear Wikidata administrators

‏I have two accounts with the following usernames: ‏1- @arian_aboutalebi is an Extended confirmed users account created in Persian Wikipedia ‏2- @zaghmarz1 which was created 8 years ago (2014) but I forgot my password by February 2022 . ‏In February, dear @ladsgroup admin blocked me due to spam behavior

‏A few days before I was blocked, I remembered my @zaghmarz1 account password and decided to continue with this account. And in a few days I made 112 edits to update and upgrade the information in Wikidata. Please see 112 edits for me and then tell me which version was wrong? ‏Even if, for example, one of the 112 edits is an error, 111 useful edits have been made, and I think blocking this is not the right thing to do, and we should consider a large number of good and useful edits. Only in one of the editions did I send a message to the esteemed administrator of @bovlb and request that he add the mzn Wikipedia page of Mr. Jamal Aboutalebi ( Iranian politician and environmentalist ) to his item a few days after its creation. Is this spam behavior or requesting to add a resource to a page in Wikidata !? Please help me unblock ‏Please read what I said on the page below and then respond if possible. Thank you for your attention

https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Zaghmarz1 151.246.212.253 10:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm leaving this for @ladsgroup: to handle, unless they want my help. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@ladsgroup: @Mike peel:

I emailed him several times And I wrote a request on his discussion page. I also wrote new articles for him on my discussion page, but he did not answer.

I think you can get involved as a neutral third party.

Amir wrote on his Persian Wikipedia page that if you object to my decisions, get help from an impartial admin. He wrote: If your article was deleted by me, read this page. If you are not satisfied, ask another manager for a third opinion.

A few days before he blocked me, I sent him a request for cooperation but he did not respond and a few days later he blocked me. Please see this request:

https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Wps47n32bezec555

151.246.212.253 10:30 , 10 March 2022 (UTC)


Blocked the range. I suggest removing this section. Amir (talk) 17:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Reminder to participate in the Ratification vote of UCoC Enforcement guideline

This message has been sent because you are administrator in this project. If you voted, Thank you and please ignore this message 🙂

Hello Mike Peel,

The Ratification vote of Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelinein currently taking place until March 21. If you didn't vote yet, please take a few minutes to participate the ratification vote! Your voice is important.

Best, —YKo (WMF) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Pi bot

Hi Mike! Is there a possibility to prevent Pi bot from removing non-existent Commons categories, if they have been changed recently? Example: Vandalism by IP, Pi bot removes the value. I think it would be better to wait a few days. I am working on these vandalized links with this list, but if the bot is faster, I have noch chance to fix them. Best regards --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ameisenigel: It only removes Commons category (P373) values, the sitelinks should remain good, and can be used to bot-fill the P373 values if you really want. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
If this could be done by bot, it would be great. But if the sitelink for the category is located on another item, because this items is connected with the gallery, it is hard to find, I guess (altough we have topic's main category (P910) to connect these items). --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
@Ameisenigel: Yes, most uses nowadays should follow topic's main category (P910)/category's main topic (P301) to find the sitelink. Is there something that removing the P373 value breaks? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I just see the risk, that some values are getting lost, if they are not imported again by a bot. --Ameisenigel (talk) 18:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Pi bot - assigned "human" label to a theory

Hi Mike! Any idea why Pi bot labelled this theory as human? --Silva Selva (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Silva Selva: Have a look at en:Basic fault theory - it's a weird mix of an article on the theory and the person (note the infobox!), which really needs to be split. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I've done a bit of cleanup, it turns out that en:Michael Balint already exists. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Baptised or born?

Hello Mike,

I just ran into this edit by Pi bot. Both the English and the Dutch Wikipedia indicate that Utricia Ogle is baptised on 10 February 1611. It may have been common in those days that people where baptised shortly after their birth, but we do not know for sure when Utricia was born. Indicating in Wikidata that this was actually 1611 makes Wikidata spreading rumours without a good source. I decided to this edit, Property:P1636 is a good indication for people who want to do more research on her.

Thanks, RonnieV (talk) 08:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@RonnieV: This came from en:Utricia Ogle, which is in en:Category:1611 births. Probably that category should be removed if this is uncertain? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Assigned NCAA women's gymnastics tournament as a football tournament

I corrected it, but gymnastics is not football in the American sense or the rest of the world sense. Afheather (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Afheather: The problem is that en:NCAA Women's Gymnastics Championships uses en:Template:infobox football tournament, which adds the short description. You should fix this properly on enwiki, e.g., by converting it to en:Template:Infobox tournament. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Gender

@Mike Peel: Thank you Pi Bot & Mike Peel for creating a wikidata item (Q111649936). But the gender isn't full pledged female, the person is a transgender woman. So, I want to discuss with you if we change it into another parameter or keep it as it is in the wikidata item. --Haoreima (talk) 15:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Haoreima: There are items for trans woman (Q1052281) and trans man (Q2449503), you could change the value here if you want. The bot just counted the uses of 'She' vs 'He' in the article. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:26, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

coordinate location (P625) statement on software item

Hi, Pi_bot (talk • contribs • logs) keeps creating an coordinate location (P625) statement on Tigase (Q13420032), which is incorrect. What can be done about this? --Haansn08 (talk) 21:20, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@Haansn08: You could remove the coordinate from en:Tigase? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Done. Can Pi_bot add references to it's coordinate statements, so we know where such errors come from? Haansn08 (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
@Haansn08: Nice work. The coordinate was unreferenced on enwiki, so I'm not sure how a reference could be automatically added here? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
}}I know some bots use imported from Wikimedia project (P143)+{{P| to indicate when statements are imported from Wikipedia. Haansn08 (talk) 21:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
@Haansn08: but that's not a reference? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Maybe it's not a good reference, but it would be very useful to see where the statement comes from. Haansn08 (talk) 21:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
@Haansn08: But it's not a reference? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

coordinate location (P625) for geograpy of xx articles

Hi, Pi_bot (talk • contribs • logs) keeps creating an coordinate location (P625) statement for geography of geographic location (Q46865913) articles. It is an unnecessary duplication when it is obvious, that the coordinates will be the same as the coordinates of the given country/area. It is also a constraint violation. Please modify your bot to avoid such edits in the future. Thanks! --Jklamo (talk) 08:33, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jklamo: Do you have an example, please? Pi bot is importing from enwiki, so if the coordinate really shouldn't be there, it should be removed from enwiki. Otherwise, the coordinate is probably in use on enwiki and perhaps on Commons as well, and shouldn't be removed. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

bad edit of pibot

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1807479&type=revision&diff=1639302249&oldid=1639287168

@Masegand, Jmax: That's what it said on simple wiki... I've removed it from there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Archive

Hi Mike. Wikidata:Properties for deletion/Header/text is linking to Wikidata:Properties for deletion/Archive/2022/5 (the current year/month) but Pibot is archiving to Wikidata:Properties for deletion/Archive/2022/4. I didn't think we were using monthly archives (there probably would not be enough for that) but in that case how should the current archive be linked?

Also Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P8279 is closed but the bot did not recognise that — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@MSGJ: Thanks for spotting the issues. For P8279, there's follow-up discussion that isn't closed? It either needs tagging as closed separately, or {{Discussion bottom}} moved to the end, before the bot will archive it. For the archive link, at the moment it just assumes that there's one archive for the year - I've manually tweaked that for 2022 so it goes into the 4th archive, since that already existed. What do we want to do? I can change the bot so it does monthly archives; or if we want a yearly archive we could merge 2022's archives into one; or are there a set number of discussions after which a new archive should be created? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Yearly works well for most years, but would it be too big in 2022? Post-expand include size for 2022 is currently 1,727,330 out of the maximum 2,097,152 and we are not yet halfway through the year, so we will probably need to keep this year split. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: How about we define it in a template somewhere, which is used by the header and also by the bot to determine where to save things to? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Thinking more about it, I think going with a monthly archive would be cleaner, since the header already uses that, and it's simpler to code in pywikibot. If it's OK, I'll implement that soon. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I think a monthly archive would be unnecessary for most years, but don't really have any better suggestion for 2022 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: I've updated the code so it now creates the monthly archive pages, let's see how that goes. We can always change it next year if it doesn't turn out to be necessary, although it's always good to build in extra capacity in case it's needed in the future. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:28, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Process for Bot request

Hi @Mike_Peel: I've done what you asked 3 weeks ago, and I had no response. What should I do more? WD:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Antoine2711bot Regards, Antoine2711 (talk) 00:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@Antoine2711: I'm not sure, sorry. I'm not active with approvals, I just try to help maintain the list of open requests. Hopefully @Lymantria, Ymblanter: could have another look at it soon? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
@Mike Peel thanks for the follow-up. I'm trying to understand the process. Regards, Antoine2711 (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: For my approval it would be important how you judge the test runs that Antoine2711bot has done. Could you please give your opinion? Your silence could be interpreted as non-consent. Lymantria (talk) 12:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't realise that, and non-consent definitely wasn't my intention! I'll have a look through the edits and comment as soon as I can. Mike Peel (talk) 12:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
@Lymantria: I've left a support message on the bot request page. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of Q100735089 and Q100733263

Both of the entries that you recently deleted citing that they "didn't meet notability policy" satisfied fully (as admins already discussed and agreed in the past) the number 2 notability criteria, quoting from the page you linked: "It refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity. The entity must be notable, in the sense that it can be described using serious and publicly available references."

Q100735089 was an entry about myself that met the criteria in many ways: - i'm an author of a Book referenced in Google Books, https://books.google.it/books/about/SEO_Per_Attivit%C3%A0_Locali_Strategie_Di_Ma.html?id=QVMAEAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y, on the subject of my studies and profession, SEO; - i'm referenced in university thesis from University of Padova, available in Google Scholar (https://thesis.unipd.it/bitstream/20.500.12608/20154/1/MARGHERITA_CAVALLIN_2015.pdf) as one of Italy's most respected expert in my field (and i did get quoted by other 2 thesis but they are not indexed in Google Scholar, that's why i'm linking to this particular on); - i've been interviewed on national press, published both online and on paper (an example: https://gazzettadimodena.gelocal.it/modena/cronaca/2017/03/14/news/dalla-partita-iva-alla-sfida-del-web-di-matteo-1.15029211); - i've been invited as a speaker to many nation-wide industry events which i had linked in my entry;

All of these are absolutely "publicy available references" and both referred to "an instance of a clearly identifiable material entity".

Q100733263 was an entry about a book with a Google Books page (https://books.google.it/books/about/SEO_Per_Attivit%C3%A0_Locali_Strategie_Di_Ma.html?id=QVMAEAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y) published by a publisher already present on wikidata (Q3702595)

Frankly it feels like there is a meaningless witch hunt for everything SEO related, which must be razed because "it's spam". As i stated before there is absolutely no point in me "spamming" wikidata, i'm not getting any SEO benefit or clout, i'm just trying to describe both entities to make the database better and, in my case, to disambiguate me from an olympic athlete with the same name. Again, i'm puzzled by this decision because the notability criteria is clearly met and was already established and discussed in the past.

I'd really like those two pages to be reinstated or at least to discuss this with some other "authority" on the site, these entries did in fact met the notability policy and were unjustly deleted.

@Evaccari: Sorry, but I don't think that you meet Wikidata's notability requirements from what you included in the items and what you've posted here. You have a few references, but not ones that contain all of the information needed for the Wikidata items, and they seem really borderline for establishing notability. If you are notable, then someone else will probably create an item about you at some point, but otherwise I stand by the deletions. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Tha adherence at the notability policy is factual and so are the references: me being called in as an author by an historical publisher on a digital marketing book and me being called as one of the top experts in Italy for an university thesis are both publicly available references, and so is the newspaper interview.

That said is there an official rule about not being able to write your own entry even if in adherence with the notability policy? Because I can’t find that and I’m puzzled about your statement “if you are notable someone else will write the entry again”. A colleague of mine with whom I discussed this deletion already told me he would gladly re enter it but what’s the point? Why deleting something that was already been established in the past as a legit entry in Wikidata? As I said admins ruled about it staying in the past and I will surely appeal again to them this time too.

This is simply a witch hunt about SEOs. I could have 10 people adding the entry again tomorrow but it feels like even if Joe Biden declares publicly I’m a notable figure in digital marketing that won’t stop someone from deleting the entry just because, for some obscure reason, wikidata editor think that SEO people= spammers. And that’s plainly wrong. My entry does no harm to the database and instead enrich it. Isn’t describing notable entities it’s purpose? Evaccari (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you go for an appeal, if you want to. I have no problem if another admin wants to restore the items. I don't think there's an official rule about COI editing, but it's generally frowned upon. thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Dear Brother, this wikidata is for a Lebanese Actor, that done many participation previously, check her social paltforms, Instagram: Celiaaofficial Tiktok: celiaghaddar Facebook Celia Ghaddar, all are verified because she an actor. 78.101.181.92 07:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Creation of new items

Hi Mike. Pibot used to create new items for Wikipedia articles after a couple of days. It seems this has changed as it now creates them instantly. I was just wondering the reason for that? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:06, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@MSGJ: It should still be waiting 14 days from the creation date? Except for humans where it does extra checks before creating a new item more quickly. Do you have an example? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes it was a human, e.g. Kinzie Hansen (Q112675120). What checks are carried out and how do you know if new articles meet notability requirements? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: You can see the bot permission for that bit of the work at Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Emijrpbot 6 (I later adopted the task), and the code at [1]. It does checks of how long the article creator has been around, avoids articles with deletion tags, and tries to match up with existing items where possible. It only does this for articles it identifies as biographies. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, that is really helpful. So just a couple more questions:
  1. Why do we treat biographies differently to other types of item?
  2. How does the bot avoid creating duplicate items when there are existing items? For example will it match the items only if the label is an exact match? I have seen lots of variations on romanization, inclusion of middle names, initials, etc. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
1) because the code for biographies already existed. ;-) Writing something similar for other key topics might help improve things. 2) it does a search, and skips items where there is ambiguity (e.g., people with the same name without birth year). It will miss cases where there aren't search results (which is linked pretty directly to matching labels/aliases), but then you can just merge the items in and that adds the alias... It's definitely not perfect, but it doesn't seem too bad. Also, there will be a discussion about this at Data Quality Days, which it would be great if you could participate in! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Question from a non Wikidata guy?

Hey, I'm an editor over on enwiki, who has the SHortdesc helper gadget installed. I noticed your bot made some Wikidata items for two DAB pages I just came across. (excuse me if I get some wikidata stuff wrong here) These were Extreme cold (Q112609322) and Bottomless (Q112723619). I saw your bot also added an Instance of Statement, naming it a Disambiguation page. Now I am used to seeing the "Wikimedia disambiguation page" label as a Wikidata short description through the shortdesc helper, and added it to those two items, was wondering (again I don't know this community), if that was something you would be able to your bot, so it had the short descriptions there? --IAmChaos 03:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@IAmChaos: I think that's already automatically done by another bot here, perhaps @Mr.Ibrahembot:. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh, Awesome! --IAmChaos 20:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Lunar coordinates

Hi! Joeykentin reverted Pi bot’s addition of the coordinates to Tranquility Base (Q732758), probably because the bot added the coordinates with globe set to Earth (Q2). A few hours later Pi bot added the coordinates again—again with globe set to Earth. I’ve changed it to lunar (through the API, as the UI doesn’t seem to let me do this), but your bot shouldn’t have added the Earth coordinates in the first place—either set the globe appropriately, or skip coordinates that refer to other globes. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 19:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tacsipacsi I don't use bot's, I wouldn't even know how to use them. Sorry for this mistake but I tried to fix a previous mistake and I clearly did it wrong sorry for that. Jhowie Nitnek 19:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Also another thing coordinates should on the moon should be placed on the property P8981 not P625 as P625 only refers to earth. So could you please fix this Jhowie Nitnek 19:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm travelling at the moment, so I'll have to get back to this next week. If the bot is properly reverted, I get an email about it, and I have a script to correctly set the globe in those cases - but here the info was just removed, so I got no alert. Last time I looked into this I couldn't easily extract the globe, but I can have another go at that. I'm not convinced that lunar coordinates (BEING REPLACED) (P8981) is the right way to go, though - I hadn't seen that property before. Are there others that match other globes, or is the moon a special exception for some reason here? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:39, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Joeykentin, Tacsipacsi: OK, I've hopefully excluded any case where 'globe' is defined and set to something other than 'earth' with this edit to the code. Let's see how that goes. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Gender errors

The bot made two serious gender errors on 1 August in assigning "female" to two biographies of men from EN wiki: Donald Broadnax and John Njamah. See also Talk Women in Red.--Ipigott (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard

Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:Mike_Peel_keeping_not_notable_items. Multichill (talk) 05:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of Q97309629

Hi,

I think the deletion of Make Lists, Not War (Q97309629) is a bit premature. This item is still used on 676 items (per Wikidata:Database reports/Deleted Wikidata entities that are still linked). VIGNERON (talk) 16:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: Oops! I did not notice that. Undeleted! Thanks for pointing that out. Mike Peel (talk) 17:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 17:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Some proposals to uncapitalization of labels and aliases

Hi Mike Peel, I have some task for Pi bot:

The first letter should be uncapitalized for:

  • cs labels beginning with "Silnice I/", "Silnice II/", "Silnice III/"
  • en labels beginning with "Route I/", "Route II/"
  • sk and de labels beginning with "Cesta I. triedy ", "Cesta II. triedy "
  • lmo labels beginning with "Strada de prima class ", "Strada de segonda class "
  • pl labels beginning with "Droga krajowa nr"
  • pl labels beginning with "Droga ekspresowa"
  • cs labels beginning with "Dálnice D"
  • sk labels beginning with "Diaľnica D"
  • cs labels beginning with "Rychlostní silnice R"
  • sk and de labels beginning with "Rýchlostná cesta R"
  • cs labels and aliases beginning with "Železniční trať "
  • cs aliases beginning with "Trať "
  • sk labels beginning with "Železničná trať "
  • pl labels and aliases beginning with "Linia kolejowa "
  • en labels beginning with "Railway line "

The first letter should be uncapitalized for:

  • cs labels beginning with "Evropská silnice "
  • cs aliases beginning with "Mezinárodní silnice "
  • sk labels beginning with "Európska cesta "
  • es labels beginning with "Ruta europea "
  • fr aliases beginning with "Route europeenne "
  • lmo labels beginning with "Strada europea "
  • pl labels beginning with "Trasa europejska "
  • pt and pt-br labels beginning with "Estrada europeia "
  • ro label beginning with "Drumul european "
  • uk aliases beginning with "Автошлях "

For other languages of "European roads" labels (e.g. European route E55 (Q313410)), a more extensive analysis would be needed which languages retain or not retain a capital letter in adjectives derived from proper nouns, and which languages consider these words to be part of the road's proper name. --ŠJů (talk) 21:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@ŠJů: Sorry for the slow reply here. I can set these up, but I have some doubts. With "Silnice I/" - is the / part of the label? With "Route I/" - won't that give false positives for routes that are named 1? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Czech labels beginning "Silnice I/" and English labels beginning "Route I/" should be specific for Czech and Slovak first-class roads. Czech labels beginning "Silnice II/" and English labels beginning "Route II/" should be specific for Czech and Slovak second-class roads. I know of no other country that uses a Roman numeral followed by a slash as a road number (route number) prefix. So I find false positives very unlikely. I suppose the Roman numerals I or II are not easily confusable with the Arabic numeral 1 or 2. The Roman numeral before the slash indicates the road class, the road number itself follows without a space after the slash (e.g. "Route II/426"), the last character after the road number can still be a distinguishing letter, e.g. "Route I/61A". --ŠJů (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
@ŠJů: OK, looking into this, I can code up something that can run through the cases (including repeat checks if you wanted), but I need a query to find candidates. So I've asked for one at Wikidata:Request_a_query#Labels_beginning_with_case-sensitive_words. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Ruth Benedict

Very puzzling that Pi Bot couldn't match Ruth Benedict (Q113380582) to Ruth Benedict (Q228822) before creating the former. Gamaliel (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: I think it was confused by items like Ruth Benedict (Q80896797) and Prof. Ruth Benedict (Q60079341) when searching for a match - if there are too many results like that for a basic search query, it skips the item. I'm not sure there's an easy solution to avoid that, but at least it's easy to merge here? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Death by bot

hi Mike! Good luck with your candidature for the WMF board (I haven't followed in detail, but I noticed some info like that circulating...).

This bot has twice - here and here - re-asserted that an imprisoned Saudi human rights activist is dead, most likely based on a mixup with a Saudi businessman who said that al-Sisi is a great leader and then died. See the en.Wikipedia article and the talk page for more details. Boud (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Boud: Hi, thanks! It's importing it from simple:Mohammad Fahad al-Qahtani, I guess that article needs correcting? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
OK, fixed. I guess the robot was acting correctly, based on the assumption that humans know what they were doing in editing individual language articles. Boud (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
@Boud: It does tend to help. ;-) There was a bit more that needed removing, which is why Pi bot imported the 2022 year this time, this edit should have solved it. The bot doesn't check ruwiki. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
So pibot scans the lead and makes an educated guess that certain character strings mean birth and death dates? Sounds risky to me, but you're responsible for the bot, not me :). I can guess reasons for not scanning ruwiki, in terms of statistical expectations of reliability, especially at the moment. Boud (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
@Boud: It uses the categories and the infobox templates, not the article text. It has to know the relevant key strings for each language (like, which are the birth/death category name formats), so it only runs on a few language wikis so far: 'simple', 'it', 'es', 'en', 'fr', 'pt'. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk)
That sounds a lot more robust - I hadn't scrolled all the way down, so I missed your removal of the Category and only noticed your edit of the lead. Anyway, problem solved. Boud (talk) 19:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Preferable not to re-add coordinates from Wikipedia when OpenStreetMap relation or object identifiers are present

I noticed this for Rakh Branch, but the Wikipedia coordinates are not very good. Of course this should be fixed on Wikipedia, but it may be better to leave it alone or get it from OSM where more specific geographic data is available. That way, the Wikipedia coordinates may be refined based on Wikidata rather than the other way around.

For Pakistani water bodies in particular, Wikipedia coordinates are dodgy because each canal was imported several times over to Cebuano Wikipedia years ago, leaving behind a trail of data items and interwiki pages to clean up. (I realize the bot is not looking at ceb wiki, I just mean those coordinates have since been duplicated on othets.)Middle river exports (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@Middle river exports: In cases like these, please just correct the coordinates on Wikidata or Wikipedia - as long as coordinate location (P625) is present, the bot won't re-import them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Alright. Have done in this case, just seemed worth pointing out since adding coordinates for a linear feature isn't something people always think to do as they're not strictly necessary in the presence of a linked geometry. (Should the canal have had a gap in it, it would have been less clear where to place the point.) Middle river exports (talk) 17:15, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Copyright of Enwiki

I saw an import your bot did described as "Importing description from enwiki: hollow located on the superior/roof aspect of the middle ear". That looks to me like importing Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 to CC0 which would be violate copyrights. What is your reasoning? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@ChristianKl: See Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Pi_bot_14. It's short enough that it's not copyrightable. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding reverted merge of GWTC-2: Compact Binary Coalescences Observed by LIGO and Virgo during the First Half of the Third Observing Run (Q113451747) and GWTC-2: Compact Binary Coalescences Observed by LIGO and Virgo During the First Half of the Third Observing Run (Q113407772)

Why did you revert your merger attempt of GWTC-2: Compact Binary Coalescences Observed by LIGO and Virgo during the First Half of the Third Observing Run (Q113451747) and GWTC-2: Compact Binary Coalescences Observed by LIGO and Virgo During the First Half of the Third Observing Run (Q113407772)? I came across the two items thinking they were the same. I checked history, and it looks like you merged them and then reverted that change. Why was it reverted, and are these items the same or different? Tomodachi94 (talk) 23:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tomodachi94: They are the same, but there's a technical problem with merging them, see phab:T314763. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Question about dealing with self-promotion

Hi Mike. I have a question for you based on this comment you left at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions (for Q109443293). I've encountered situations where there is inappropriate cross-wiki self-promotion: someone uploads a photo of themself to Commons and creates a Wikidata Item for themself which includes the photo. The Commons photo can't be deleted because it is in use and the Wikidata Item can't be deleted because it has a photo on Commons. In this particular case it seems to be working out because an admin speedily deleted the photo on Commons, so the Item on Wikidata should be deletable now. But it won't always work out that way because Commons admins often won't delete any file in use. Do you have recommendations on the best way to handle these types of situations in the future? Regards, Marbletan (talk) 13:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Marbletan: It should always work out that way - just make it clear that the Wikidata item is also up for deletion when nominating the media for deletion. In general I think the Wikidata item should be the last to get deleted, since it is used to support content on other projects - the same as it works for sitelinks. If you have any issues getting something like this deleted on Commons, feel free to ping me. I've deleted the item here now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I understand. Thanks for the explanation and advice. Marbletan (talk) 12:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

English transliterations for languages they don't work

Hi Mike,

your bot has created items like Mark Serov (Q103847789) and Oleg Blinov (Q103929698). The English transliterations don't work for German and possibly even more languages.

May you please or shall I fix them? Pnuss (talk) 09:31, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Pnuss: The bot just sets up the item. Please fix it if needed! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Ok, done. The birthdate may be still wrong.--Pnuss (talk) 10:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Happy Teacher's Day Mike

I hope you can recall me coz I'm a simple girl but I was shortlisted for the October 2021 Outreachy internship. Your kindness touched my heart. I hold you in high regard. Your care and encouragement meant a great deal to me. You have made a place in my heart forever. No words can express my gratitude to you. I enormously thank you. I hope you can guide and mentor me and I get the opportunity to work under you. I will take it as God's blessing. Suha 098 (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your bot from messing up the common connection

I am getting sick and tired of getting reverted by your stupid bot and once again the commons button on the page links to the wrong place. KittenKlub (talk) 11:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Pi bot is breaking commons links all over the place. Somebody had just connected Sol Plaatje University to commons and the brainless bot reverts it, and look and behold and it is not apparant en, because the name is the same, but af:Sol Plaatje-universiteit has no commons link anymore. Stop your bot from removing commons link which have been added, because it's connecting everything wrong. KittenKlub (talk) 11:44, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
the bot’s edits are correct, per consensus here. Links to Commons categories go on the category items where they exist. Please stop reverting it. Mike Peel (talk) 11:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
The commons button on the wikipedia page looks in the page entry for the commons link and cannot find it, because your bot has moved it. In one case even to a strange greek entry. You are breaking pages! So stop your bot from reverting correct entries. KittenKlub (talk) 12:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
the links should work. Is this the link in the side bar or a template? Can you link me to a Wikipedia article where there is a problem? I can try to fix it on Wikipedia then, but probably next week since I’m traveling at the moment. Mike Peel (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Both the side bar and the commons button on the page simply cannot find the commons. See the af: page of South-African university which no longer has any connection to commons.KittenKlub (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
ok, please leave things as they are for now, I’ll investigate what’s going on as soon as I can. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
@KittenKlub: OK, having a look from a laptop. I can see the link in the sidebar? It's under "Ander projekte". Can you try visiting [2] in case you have a cached copy? There doesn't seem to be a Commons category template in the article, but af:Sjabloon:Commons-kategorie could do with upgrading to use Wikidata (matching en:Template:Commonscat)... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Press the commons button on the bottom of the page (just added), and it will give an errot message, because the location of the commons page cannot be located, because there's no commons entry in the wikidata page.KittenKlub (talk) 14:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
That is because the template needs updating, it just uses Commons category (P373) at the moment. The position of the Commons sitelink will make no difference. There's updated code at en:Template:Commonscat that can be copied over - but it needs localising. Am seeing what I can do... Mike Peel (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
@KittenKlub: It should be working properly now. Please purge the page before testing. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
You are missing the point. There are many variant templates on many interwiki. The English wikipedia even has en:Category:Wikimedia Commons templates for all the variants. Are you going to change to 100s of templates?? Isn't it wiser to stop the bot from moving interwikis around while there are still problems to be fixed? KittenKlub (talk) 14:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
The template codes need updating. Most don't use the interwikis at all, even though they should - they use Commons category (P373). The link in the sidebar should have been fixed on all wikis anyway, since the MediaWiki code for it was updated. Stopping the bot wouldn't help improve things at all - it would actually make things worse, since the links would then also be broken from category and list articles on different wikis. Mike Peel (talk) 14:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
100s of templates need updating. Also the English version en:Template:Commons category is locked, and you can bet that many more have locks to prevent vandals for messing up the pages. You are looking at it from the wrong way. Also many users like me are used to linking the commons cat to the page because that used to be the default and usually there is no matching category and is the only way. I get the impression that I have to undo again tomorrow and day the after and day after... KittenKlub (talk) 14:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Those templates mostly do not use the sitelinks. They use Commons category (P373). That is the fundamental problem that needs fixing. The English Wikipedia template you link to does use the sitelinks, and does so properly - this is the best code to use to improve the other templates. The bot edits are completely irrelevant to this. Continuing to undo them is a good way to get blocked... Please, listen to me on this - I've been extensively working on this for the last four years or so, and Pi bot's added/maintained multiple millions of sitelinks to Commons. Mike Peel (talk) 15:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

entity usage via Wikidata Infobox at Wikimedia Commons

Hey Mike Peel, it has come to my attention that entity usage via the Wikidata Infobox at Commons has made a significant step forward recently. My adminbot now wants to protect an extra ~2500 pages due to "high use", most of this due to newly use at Commons.

Since you have made changes to the Wikidata Infobox code at Commons recently, I want to know whether this is all okay, or whether something went wrong and is about to be fixed. I would like to avoid adding so many protections if there might be a mistake. If you are interested, I could privately send a TSV file via email containing a list of items affected, so that you could investigate how this happened. —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy: It's probably OK - @LennardHofmann: rewrote the infobox in Lua in the last few months. If you can share the list of affected items then we can do a quick check through it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
You got wikimail with further details. —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: I think these make sense - it's because the code now accesses the 'Category' items to get the Commons sitelink, rather than using Commons category (P373). However, I think the uses of Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 files (Q6998586) are by @Multichill, Jarekt:, via commons:Template:Geograph_from_structured_data. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy:, how is "high use" determined. For example Special:WhatLinksHere/Q6998586 shows 8 pages, but probably I am not looking at this correctly. Yes, files using commons:Template:Geograph_from_structured_data are accessing Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 files (Q6998586), but I think it is a bug in c:Module:WikidataIB as it comes from {{#invoke:WikidataIB | getValue | ps=1 | P275 | qual=P1476 |qualsonly=y}} line and I just tested that a blank commons page with "{{#invoke:WikidataIB | getValue | ps=1 | P275 | qual=P1476 |qualsonly=y |qid=M87630107}}" code will access Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 files (Q6998586) for some reason. I looked at the code and can track down the function sequence leading to it, but have no clue how to fix it. --Jarekt (talk) 14:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
"High use" means more than 500 times used in Wikimedia projects, usually via templates/modules/parser functions. You need to look at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6998586&action=info#Page_properties to see which clients are subscribed, and you can click on those listed projects to see which pages within the project use the entity (via Special:EntityUsage). Since entity usage usually happens via templates/modules, you then need to figure out what exactly is going on on the listed pages. —MisterSynergy (talk) 17:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
@Jarekt: I think what's happening is that WikidataIB tries to return a link to the category connected to the item, which fetches the category item on Wikidata. If you don't need the links (I don't think you do in this use case?), you can avoid this by using the 'linked=no' parameter, demo at [3] - which seems to stop calling Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 files (Q6998586). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
This edit to WikidataIB/sandbox should also remove the Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 files (Q6998586) usage, but it might have rare side effects, so |linked=no seems like a reasonable fix. LennardHofmann (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes adding |linked=no to {{#invoke:WikidataIB | getValue | ps=1 | P275 | qual=P1476 |qualsonly=y}} removed the link and I added it to the commons:Template:Geograph_from_structured_data template. The odd think was that for most pages the output of the call was empty because there was no qualifier, but the code was still looking up links. Thanks for the tip. --Jarekt (talk) 02:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: I think the conclusion is: skip the first one, since that should drop in usage pretty quickly now, but the rest look good to go. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

"Please don't revert the bot"

Except the bot is doing the wrong thing. There is a link from en:Chott (or pl:Szott etc.) to the Commons page, but there is no link back to the multilingual sites, instead we only get the link that reads "Francais", and by clicking it we get stuck at the French Wikipedia-Category with no Interwiki-Links on the sidebar whatsoever. That is byzantine and entirely impracticable. --Enyavar (talk) 05:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Sidenote, where does that link to Commons even come from, it's neither handled in the language wikis, nor in Commons, nor in Data? Will that link to commons even remain or is it also ephemeral? --Enyavar (talk) 05:30, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
@Enyavar: The link is in the sidebar in both cases? Under "In other projects" there is "Wikimedia Commons" - right above "Languages", below "Print/export". This uses the sitelinks, and it does so correctly - fetching it from the "category" item where that is linked to with topic's main category (P910). On English Wikipedia at least, you could also add a link at the bottom of the article using en:Template:Commons category, which works the same. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
No, from C:Category:Chotts there is no link back to the multilingual pages, certainly not in the sidebar. Or do I need to activate some preferences for proper navigation? --Enyavar (talk) 06:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
@Enyavar: Ah, I see, there was no infobox in the Commons category. Now added, that also sorts out the interwiki links. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Ohhh, now I begin to see the system involved. Thanks! --Enyavar (talk) 11:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

coat of arms of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Q113638705)

I want to ask: why did you make redirect if discussion was not finished yet? – Лобачев Владимир (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits for now. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
@Лобачев Владимир: The discussion seemed to be over? Or it should have been moved somewhere else than Wikidata:Requests for deletion? Mike Peel (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
The discussion is not over. And there are no serious reasons for deleting the section about the coat of arms of a large European state of the 13th - late 18th centuries. A Wikipedia article may appear soon. -- Лобачев Владимир (talk) 21:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
There are images of the coat of arms, there is a category on Wikipedia, there is a category on Wikimedia Commons. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
@Лобачев Владимир: Please create a Wikipedia article, and include references? I'd be happy to undelete the item if it is linked to a Wikipedia article. And the same for the Commons category - can you point me to it? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
The article has been created. Лобачев Владимир (talk) 07:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
@Лобачев Владимир: Thank you, that's nice work! The item looks clearly notable to me now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for rating. This is the foundation. There is still a lot of work to be done to make the article quality. -- Лобачев Владимир (talk) 20:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Notice regarding your comment on the deletion of Q114048610

I just want to put it on record that I made sure that the data object with the larger ID is used for forwarding when merging. Because as you can see, the data object is Luca D'Andrea (Q114048659) the forwarding and the Q-ID of this data object is greater than the Q-ID of Luca D'Andrea (Q114048610) --Gymnicus (talk) 15:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gymnicus: Checking again, you are right. I misread the edit history. Please accept my apologies. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Of course I accept your apology. My hint or what I put on the record was not meant in a bad way, if it came across that way. I just wanted to set it straight that way. It happens that you overlook a nine-digit number which is larger, and to be honest it was the same for me. The merge tool also showed me that my first impression was wrong. --Gymnicus (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
@Gymnicus: Thanks. I didn't read it in a bad way: it is always good to set things straight. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

PiBot and its dupes

I still wish that there was a better ability for you to check for the existence of a category item prior to it creating the exact same category item (duplicate) for enWP categories. This requirement to have to merge these is a PITA.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@billinghurst: Me too. The ideal case is that the creators of the articles/categories add them to Wikidata, which the bot leaves 14 days for - the assumption is that if they haven't been added in those 14 days, they probably never will be, so it's best to create the item and hope someone here merges it if needed. But I have a plan for an intermediate step ... back shortly. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
@billinghurst: OK, I've set up a new Wikidata game with the potential matches of new articles/categories with Wikidata items, maybe this will help? Please give it a go and let me know what you think: [4]. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Hmm, it seems to have been deactivated, very odd. Pinging @Magnus Manske:. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Working for me, though I am seeing some duplication in the pages needing matching, having done them in the previous 1 to 20.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I now see it twice! Very odd. The database is filling up at the moment, so you should stop getting duplication soon. It should load about 5 items at a time Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Just wish it would do a little sanity on the order of presentation. For instance Aaron Scott (Q302665) should have been a good quick and easy match, and I got 10-20 offers of people and other things prior so I dug up the disambig item manually. Can we set up a disambig <-> disambig query?  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Not easily, sorry. It works completely randomly, I can't think of a good way to impose any sort of order on it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It works, though the problems that I am specifically seeing (regularly fixing and probably more about my focus) are with relation to categories at Commons and enWP. Can we filter or target based on that sort of need? I can whack-a-mole that list forever and distract me from my needs.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@billinghurst: You can just look through enwiki articles+categories at [5] if that helps. Buttons to switch between projects should appear at some point (slow due to caching). BTW, do you know about en:Category:Commons_category_Wikidata_tracking_categories? (those in "from' and 'on' are fine, but there's discrepancies with Wikidata with the other ones). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Pi bot and AfC creation categories

These are specifically cited in Wikidata:Notability/Exclusion criteria, in the fifth bullet point under "All languages", as pages for which items should not be created, yet it appears your bot is creating them anyways. Please stop this and delete these items. Mahir256 (talk) 12:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mahir256: Example please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Ah, never mind, I see them. Working on it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
OK, problem traced: I switched to using the new database structure yesterday, but it doesn't seem to exclude noindex or hiddencat, raised at phab:T300770. I've rolled the code back to use the older method for now, will have a look through the edits. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
@Mahir256: Cleanup done. Thanks for pointing out the problem so quickly! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Wrong name 'Weißrussland' in German description

Hi Mike Peel, your Pi Bot is currently making mass changes in the area of "Belarus". You may have noticed that in the German language descriptions, "... in Weißrussland" is written everywhere. But that is no longer up to date. In the German Wikipedia the lemma "Weißrussland" was changed to "Belarus" everywhere a year ago. This change would now have to be reproduced everywhere in the descriptions at WIKIDATA. Unfortunately, this is impossible to do manually, since there are many thousands of descriptions. Would it be possible for your bot to do this at the same time? Greeting, --Bestoernesto (talk) 18:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bestoernesto: I'm sorry, but I don't have the capacity to implement this bot task at the moment. I suggest requesting it at Wikidata:Bot requests instead. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the quick reply. --Bestoernesto (talk) 23:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
@Bestoernesto: I saw this by coincidence and migrated plenty of German descriptions from "Weißrussland" to "Belarus". I think the rest might easily be doable with manual editing—it's fewer than 100 items to my knowledge [6]. If you find another larger amount of items, please let me know. —MisterSynergy (talk) 10:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy:, thank you so much, that was a very big help. --Bestoernesto (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

After commons category is moved

In San Sebastián (Q25268971) the commons category was moved from commons:Category:San Sebastian, Lempira to commons:Category:San Sebastián, Lempira. The bot removed the value from Commons category (P373). If the category is a move can the bot insert the new value in Commons category (P373)? In this case it easy since it is a change from from a to á. However it may be harder and not as a clear case for taxon (Q16521) since the move of commons:Category:Salamis temora is a change from one genus (Q34740) to another. In those cases I look at the list of Commons category (P373) mismatched/missing value as a to-do list in wikipedia to update articles. Maundwiki (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Maundwiki: Commons category (P373) is entirely redundant with the sitelinks now, and it really should just be deleted. But others disagree, so they have bots that will come back along at some point and re-add the new value. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
This item did not have a commons sitelink, so arguably P373 was not redundant in this case, and the bot removed potentially useful information — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
@MSGJ: Ah, I missed that. So the Commons category (P373) value is completely misplaced, or a new category is needed on Commons, or San Sebastián (Q25268971) should be merged with San Sebastián (Q3947953)? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
San Sebastián (Q25268971) the settlement is located inside San Sebastián (Q3947953) the municipality. The commons sitelink relates to the municipality, and there is no more specific category yet on Commons. Removing the P373 would seem to be inappropriate as there may be relevant images in that category but it will need time (and possibly local knowledge) to sort them out. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
OK, it still sounds like a bad P373 value to me - needing someone to sort it out better than currently. There's also nothing that links to San Sebastián (Q25268971) except for the bot-generated articles, and it's a single click from that to San Sebastián (Q3947953) anyway. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Ship name category mess

Why is Pi bot doing this: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q113383392&type=revision&diff=1762428348&oldid=1761319257 ? Hjart (talk) 12:31, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hjart: Hmm, the ship seems to have two IMO categories, which can't be right? commons:Category:IMO 8942759 and commons:Category:IMO 7213242 - presumably one of those is for a different ship and has been mislinked? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I think I fixed it. 2 ships got each others IMO numbers. Hjart (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
@Hjart: So commons:Category:IMO 7213242 is now empty, should that be deleted? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm unfortunately unable to determine whether commons:Category:Smuggler's Point (ship, 1943) belongs in there. If not, I'd say yes. Hjart (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Pi bot created empty page

Q115272306 Bovlb (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bovlb: It looks like it was an edit conflict with @M2k~dewiki: creating Aimé Ourliac (Q115272309) - a redirect would have been (marginally) better than deletion. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Done Bovlb (talk) 01:13, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Q6658569

Hi Mike, it’s a petrol station, not an actual speedway. Can you stop pi not from readying the coordinates? - Chris.sherlock3 (talk) 06:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

@Chris.sherlock3: Pi bot just imported the coordinates, not instance of (P31). If the coordinates are wrong, then they should be removed from en:Liverpool Speedway - which is where Pi bot is importing from. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Sadly, that's not possible as I am not allowed to edit Wikipedia. I guess the coordinates will have to remain wrong. - Chris.sherlock3 (talk) 10:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
You can edit them here if needed - Pi bot only imports coordinates where none exist in the Wikidata item. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
The problem is, I don't know exactly where it existed. I know it was along Prescot Street in Fairfield, but exact geographic coordinates aren't something I have to hand. :( Sorry, not trying to be difficult, it's a rather awkward situation. - Chris.sherlock3 (talk) 10:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
@Chris.sherlock3: I had a quick look at the coordinates on enwiki using Google Earth Pro (which is freely available), and it has a historical satellite image from 1985 that shows an oval at that position, screenshot at [7]. So perhaps the coordinates are correct? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:45, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
No, the location of the old track was definitely in Fairfield. The name of the petrol station chain is Speedway. It’s definitely wrong. - Chris.sherlock3 (talk) 11:37, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
On second thoughts, I’ll recheck some sources. I’ve been wrong before! - Chris.sherlock3 (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Q8249535

Hello. Please can you look at the edits made to Q8249535. Convoy keeps getting added incorrectly. Darrelljon (talk) 05:30, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@Darrelljon: this was the edit you were looking for. The two items are linked via topic's main category (P910)/category's main topic (P301). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Backlog of unconnected articles

Hello Mike, would it be possible to let Pi bot for creating/connecting objects for humans to check against categories, for example: en:Category:Living people (or en:Category:People), for example in category Living people there are at the moment more than 500 articles not yet connected:

Also see

Thanks a lot! --M2k~dewiki (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Hmm, something's gone wrong with Pi bot, will have a look this evening. The flat parts of [8] are where it is working properly, when it starts rising again then something's gone wrong. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
For which languages should Pi bot currently create/connect articles? See for example also languages like pl, it, ...
PetScan-Queries for some languages can be found at
although in some languages, a lot of articles have no categories or are not systematically maintained in all articles. M2k~dewiki (talk) 14:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: Currently 'en','simple','de','pt'. I can easily add more languages, I just need some help with translations of search terms, and consensus from that community to enable it. There is also now a Wikidata game that currently has matches against 'en', 'simple', 'pt', 'de', 'es', 'fr', 'it', 'nl', 'pl', 'sv' and 'eo' - more can easily be included there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
BTW, in case you didn't know, Pi bot creates new items for all articles/categories, per Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 19 - in addition to the connecting/creating items for humans. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: Pi bot bug fixed, it's running again as normal. It broke on 15 October. Quite a few new items to create since then! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Thanks for previous reply. Warmest wishes to you on this Christmas day. I hope you spend this wonderful time with your loved ones and create memories to cherish forever. Please don't overwork. May God always be by your side. I hope you recall me. Your well wisher. Suhasini. Suha 098 (talk) 14:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Archiving by Pi bot

Hi, Mike. I noticed something weird. Pi bot is archiving two RfBot requests here, but the target archive remains empty... Can you look into that? Thanks! Lymantria (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Lymantria: Hmm, good spot. Pi bot assumes that Legobot auto-creates the archives, but it doesn't seem to have done that since June. I'm travelling at the moment, I'll try to rewrite the code next week and go back through the missing months. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Beech 99

Good morning. I do not really understand your comment "... which is the convention here. Please stop reverting the bot."

As far as I understood the older version - Q120323 (of 2013) - is the governing one and not Q66498842 from 2019, which is by far the newer version.

Besides, your preferred version contains no factual information whatsoever compared with Beechcraft Model 99 (Q120323).

Please be so kind and show me the "convention". Thank you. Otherwise, it would be wise to merge the new one into the 10 years old one. --Uli Elch (talk) 11:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

@Uli Elch: It's not about which item is oldest, it's about 'topic' vs. 'category' (and vs. 'list'). The convention is that the Commons category link goes in the 'category' item, and a gallery link goes in the 'topic' item (if a gallery exists). I've tried to document this at User:Mike Peel/Commons linking - this is how everything that links in with the Commons sitelinks on Wikidata works, including the infobox, and links to Commons in the sidebar and in articles, which automatically follow category's main topic (P301) and topic's main category (P910) as needed. Changing it would need a wider discussion. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Pi Bot for ENWQ

Hi Mike Peel/Archive 6,

I See your Bot automatically creates items on wikidata (WD) for new English Wikipedia(ENWP) articles. I wonder if it can also add site-references (I hope I am using correct WD terminology) for newly created en-wikiquote pages.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: It's possible. Would you be willing to raise this for discussion on en-wikiquote, and if there's consensus to do so, then I can implement it? It would be two-stage - first initial matches (by searching for page titles) would be put through a Wikidata game like this, then unmatched items would have new empty items auto-created for them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Coordinates for Roussillon

Hi Mike,

I think that you made an error with this revert. I'm really sure that my edit is not a mistake because the territory of Province of Roussillon (Q13522657) corresponds at the present territory of Pyrénées-Orientales (Q12709), as explained in Pyrénées-Orientales. The coordinates previously mentioned in the item were the ones of Roussillon (Q321139), a town not located in Province of Roussillon (Q13522657) ;)

See you again soon!

Cheers, Pymouss (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Pymouss: It looks like you are right. I missed your addition of new coordinates, and @VIGNERON: has also fixed the coordinates on enwiki. My main worry was that removing the coordinates here didn't fix the root cause on enwiki, which is where Pi bot imports them from, but all looks good now. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Pi Bot for ENWQ (continued)

Hi Mike Peel/Archive 6: When I posted my first request here, another contributor was working on referencing a subset of en-wikiquote pages on WD. I understand this contributor does not want to continue his work on enwq, so I guess it is time to post on our village pump trying to get consensus for your BOT. One question to you: does your BOT also reference category & template pages or only articles? Ottawahitech (talk) 02:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

It's set up to do articles and categories. Templates could in principle be added. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Add reference when importing from Wikipedia

Whenever the bot imports information from Wikipedia, the bot should automatically add imported from Wikimedia project (P143)English Wikipedia (Q328). RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

That's not a reference. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
I've see it used as a reference though in many of the older items. RPI2026F1 (talk) 13:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Yes, but it's often deceptive, since you see there's a reference but when you look closer it turns out not to actually be one. I'd prefer not to add it, but a wider conversation within the community could persuade me otherwise (hint: try at Wikidata:Project chat). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Link to the open conversation. RPI2026F1 (talk) 14:17, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

wrong values in Mismatch Finder

Hi, you submitted many mismatches to the Mismatch Finder, like the following:

Property: IMDb ID

Value on Wikidata: Tt6587640

Value on external source: 6587640

External source: English Wikipedia

Upload info: "Mike Peel, 2023-02-08, Mismatches between authority control links identified through templates comparing English Wikipedia and Wikidata"

You say the IMDB-ID on Wikidata is not matching the IMDB-ID of the Wikipedia-Article, but you were just not respecting the different formatting of the template – the IMDB-ID is the same, and now messages like this pop up on very many Wikidata items. Is it possible to remove these "mismatches" again? CENNOXX (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@CennoxX: This needs to be done on the template side of things. The script just loads mismatches that are in subcategories of en:Category:Wikipedia categories tracking Wikidata differences, if the template code is improved then the articles won't be added to the tracking category, and hence won't be loaded into mismatch. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Can't make it back to Long Island this month

Hi, Mike I know you sent me an e-mail trying to find out if I'm going to be on Long Island, but since I've become hesitant about revealing my e-mail address, I'm afraid I'm going to have to use one of your talk pages to let you know I'm still going to be stuck in Florida. I'm also waiting for the MTA to send me back a single MetroCard in return for the three MetroCards I tried to combine. --DanTD (talk) 02:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@DanTD: Thanks for the reply, another time then, enjoy Florida! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:31, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Pi Bot for ENWQ (continued#2)

Hi Mike Peel/Archive 6,

I am sorry it takes so long to obtain consensus at the English-Wikiquote. Just to let you know I have just posted another reminder here: [9]. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Unconnected taxa articles

Hello Mike, by checking

-> popular categories

I found category

with currently more than 800 unconnected taxa articles. Would it be possible to connect them the the already existing taxa objects of the same name by bot or QuickStatements?

Thanks a lot! M2k~dewiki (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mike, about 450 taxa articles now have been connected using
and QuickStatements. M2k~dewiki (talk) 21:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: That's great! I do have a script I was using to connect enwiki taxon articles with Wikidata, but the problem is that there are multiple items with the same name on Wikidata, for different levels of the taxons, so it's not 100% reliable, unless there's extra info like QIDs to link to Wikidata, or interwikis to other languages that are linked to Wikidata. Nowadays I prefer to load them into a Wikidata game and hope others can help matching them, I can add trwiki to that if it's useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

David ben Amram Adani

Hi Mike. Just wondering why en:David ben Amram Adani was not matched with David ben Amram Adani (Q902744) - not enough information to make a positive match? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@MSGJ: No date of birth in either the article or the Wikidata item - the bot automatically skips cases like that. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Pi bot down?

Hello Mike, could you please check Pi bot for creating/connecting wikidata objects for biographical articles? Thanks a lot! M2k~dewiki (talk) 21:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Yes, it's down. I'm hoping it will be back up later today. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: Back today, although I'm still expecting some more down time next month. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:46, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
There's something odd ... it's mostly working, except API calls are all timing out, which affects things like new pages. Trying to debug... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

A view of the moat of the Zwinger (Q97096553)

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q97096553&diff=1883688516&oldid=1880808089&diffmode=source

wrong category from The Moat of the Zwinger in Dresden (Q19681575) Oursana (talk) 19:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Oursana: Pi bot was just copying it from the Commons category (P373) value, you also have to remove that to prevent the bot re-adding it, now done. Although it's also in de:Der Zwingergraben in Dresden - so could well be re-imported in the future from there unless that's also fixed (maybe the dewiki sitelink needs moving to The Moat of the Zwinger in Dresden (Q19681575)?). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thank you very much for your corrections, which I did not realize. The de sitelink is correct but de_WP linked to the wrong commons cat. Now hopefully everything is fixed:)--Oursana (talk) 21:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hiding Pi bot edits

Hi Mike,

it would be great be able to hide Pi bot edits in my watchlist. I edit in many non-English idioms and therefore it frequently gets flooded from the Copy [] label to en label "XX") job.-- Jackie Bensberg (talk) 14:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jackie Bensberg: There's an option on the watchlist to exclude bot edits using 'Filter changes' - but that will apply to all bot edits, there's no way to only exclude a single bot's edits that I'm aware of. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Could you mark these edits as Bot+Small edits?--Jackie Bensberg (talk) 18:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
@Jackie Bensberg: I could, but I'm traveling at the moment, so that will have to wait a bit. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:22, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

No hurry. Have a good time!--Jackie Bensberg (talk) 18:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Distributed Game: no is no

Hey Mike,

Thanks for developing micro-editing tools like this. I was trying it out today a bit, and noticed that despite clearly saying that certain articles and Wikidata items are NOT the same, it kept feeding me the same combinations. Not sure what's going on there? Also, what might be something to look into, is some basic date logic (if the birth/death dates of one source are clearly different from the same of the other source, or if one source has activity dates well before the birth in the other source). Just thinking out loud :) Might be too complicated though. Effeietsanders (talk) 02:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Effeietsanders: That happens when there are few tiles available, since the game caches the next ~10 items to display, and when you have ~5 or so left then you get duplicates. If you refresh the page, or just keep skipping them, then it will stop showing them again. It's currently particularly the case for simple and en, since there aren't many matches left for those, and the script that adds new ones isn't currently working (it should be back soon). Additional logic could be added, but isn't so reliable - there is another script that normally runs to catch the exact matches. I might think more about that when I can, though. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Pi bot - Number of articles without Wikidata item on enwiki increasing

Hello Mike, the number of articles without Wikidata item on enwiki seems to be increasing:

Also the number of unconnected articles in en:Category:Living people seems to be increasing:

M2k~dewiki (talk) 08:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@M2k~dewiki: Yup, still problems with Pi bot running queries, I'm not sure why that is since it can happily make edits with other scripts. I'll try to have a look at this soon... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@M2k~dewiki: I think I've fixed this issue, running again now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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