Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2024/05

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Main_Page: Current highlights

The "Current highlights" on the main page are apparently broken? The items visible now that are the same as a week (or more) ago. RVA2869 (talk) 07:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy: who i believe runs the bot that does the updates. BrokenSegue (talk) 15:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, I am already aware. Something went wrong with my bot and shared pywikibot on Toolforge on April 22nd, but it does not seem obvious how to fix it. —MisterSynergy (talk) 15:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Found something, now it's back —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @MisterSynergy
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. RVA2869 (talk) 21:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Ability to revert batch edits appears broken

See Wikidata_talk:Edit_groups#Not_working?. Sdkb talk 18:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Umm, why isn't this causing alarm? Sdkb talk 17:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I am sorry that I haven't been able to fix that yet. I have looked into the problem some weeks ago but did not have enough time to find out what the problem actually is. Superficially, it seems that the tasks queue (stored in redis) is behaving weirdly, with Celery (the tasks runner) not reliably picking up the tasks that are sent to it from Django (the web frontend). If anyone is interested in debugging this I would be very happy to give them access to the Toolforge project. The architecture of the tool is rather thoroughly documented, but I am well aware that that alone doesn't make co-maintainers rush to help. It's a fairly standard stack (even documented on Wikitech) but not one that's so widespread in Wikidata tools as far as I know. I have applied all dependency updates yesterday in the hope that it resolves itself but that was probably not enough. − Pintoch (talk) 07:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
@Pintoch: if you give me access I'll take a look. no promises I'll fix it though. User account is https://toolhub.wikimedia.org/search?author__term=BrokenSegue&ordering=-score&page=1&page_size=12 BrokenSegue (talk) 16:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
@BrokenSegue: thanks a lot! You're in. − Pintoch (talk) 22:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
@BrokenSegue, Sdkb: I've switched from one redis database to another and it seems like it improved things. I think the proper solution would be the proper prefixing of redis keys: https://github.com/Wikidata/editgroups/issues/89. − Pintoch (talk) 07:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Pages that mis-identify

I'm new to the community and processing WikiData locally. One utility index I built goes from enwiki titles to WikiData items and back. Running this script over all of WikiData revealed 40 "Key conflicts": two WikiData pages that link to the same Wikipedia article.

One really odd type of key conflict is posed by pages like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q20203111.json which claims to be Q118874608; a perfect duplicate.

Can anyone shed light on this? The full list: https://pastebin.com/MunHZjWP AdamVcoding (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Nothing misindentifies here. The situation is easily understood by looking at the actual items in the Wikidata UI and looking at the item history.
Sitelinks sometimes get moved from one page to another and if your data is out-of-sync this means you won't end up at the same page in every case.
Q20203111 is a redirect and behaves like a redirect is supposed to act. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 17:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for elaborating Christian! Is there a mapping of redirects available?
In other words, where does the information (including the redirect notice) at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20203111&action=info live?
I made the assumption my version coincided with the live version on this weird subset, but mine still lists `"id": "Q20203111"`.
Nonetheless, I'll (locally) merge the pages with the same enwiki links like Q703702 (since the enwiki link has been removed) and Q125399268. AdamVcoding (talk) 17:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Did you read the page? It seems to me like the information on it is pretty straightforward.
As I said above, sometimes the claim is just moved from one page to another. While merging a redirect with the page toward which it's pointing makes sense it does not make sense when the link moves from item A to item B. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Jack Hall/Sam Hall Q6112885 Q2216488

In 2022, the enwp article Jack Hall (song) was moved to Jack Hall (highwayman), and the scope of the article changed from the song to the person it was about, as there was already an article about the song at Sam Hall (song) (the title of the song was originally "Jack Hall", but "Sam Hall" is now more frequent, and its common name; it's considered the same song by secondary sources, and has the same Roud Index folk song identifier).

But the Wikidata item Jack Hall (Q6112885) hasn't been changed, and so is still about the song. I was considering removing the enwp article on that item (and the link to Hall, John (d.17Dec1707) (DNB00) (Q19020924)), and merging it into Sam Hall (Q2216488), before creating a new item for the person, but wasn't sure what to do with the Freebase ID, and thought I'd check here first. Yodin (talk) 15:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

English descriptions on Parliamentary and Assembly Constituencies of Tamil Nadu, India

Parliamentary Constituencies and Legislative Assembly Constituencies of Tamil Nadu (Q1445), India items descriptions are different from other Indian constituencies items. I feel that this does not follow the guidelines, Such descriptions allowed? Examples: Q4708203, Q3534197 (I also posted in Telegram Wikidata)Sriveenkat|talk/{PING ME} 02:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing P5715 to be an Identifier

At the moment, for any Entities in which P5715 is used, the URL displays in the main section of the page, not under the § Identifiers heading. Either the Property could be changed so that it is put into the proper section of the page, or the property form of the URL could be transformed into the form of an ID, in the format of P6262. In that case, https://huji.academia.edu/LeeMordechai would become huji:LeeMordechai, https://stanford.academia.edu/GracielaChichilnisky would become stanford:GracielaChichilnisky, etc.


Thoughts? BhamBoi (talk) 04:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

seems like it would make sense BrokenSegue (talk) 05:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
While it is possible to have IDs consisting of two parts, I think the reason why this is not done here is because the url formatters can't do anything fancy like constructing urls based on different parts of the ID. Infrastruktur (talk) 10:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
I believe Wikidata External ID redirector (Q108047563) has the ability to do that, but it's been some time since I've looked at that tool. But I would be cautious about making any breaking changes because the property is used by templates on other projects that could be broken. William Graham (talk) 15:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Feedback period about WMF Annual Plan for 2024-25 is open!

Hello everyone! The work of the Wikimedia Foundation is guided by its Annual Plan. We’ve now published the full draft Annual Plan on Meta. Please share your feedback and ideas!

This is really one of the best chances to influence how the Wikimedia Foundation works and what it chooses to focus on and prioritise, as the Annual Plan is the main guiding document for planning what to do. This is a high-level document, as it aims to find the key points for the entire organisation – this is to find the main direction, which will help the teams at the Wikimedia Foundation to find more tangible objectives.

These are the main goals:

You can read more about what this means in practice on Meta, where you can find both summaries of what the Wikimedia Foundation wants to achieve and links to more detailed pages.

You’re very welcome to share your thoughts on Meta or here, in your own language, and we’ll make sure they are passed on to the relevant parts of the Wikimedia Foundation and that your questions are answered. We can also set up meetings in your own language to further discuss the implication of the Annual Plan, if needed.

Thank you very much for your participation! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect data

the data on Stephen Wombwell is incorrect 92.207.153.221 12:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I am guessing from the edit history of your IP address that you mean Stephen Philip Henry Wombwell (Q76219282) rather than Stephen Frederick Wombwell (Q55587569). What data are you disputing? The previous edit from your IP to delete a statement in 2022 (without explanation) is not good practice. The statement will probably be restored unless there is a sound reason. From Hill To Shore (talk) 14:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Stop the presses then! I'm gobsmacked, flabbergasted and dumbfounded that there be incorrectnesses found in Wikidata. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive us for our inadequacies good sir. On the other hand... what are we talking about? Infrastruktur (talk)

Géopatronyme ID (P3370)

Géopatronyme ID (P3370) links such as http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/PETIOT now redirect to an error message at https://en.filae.com/v4/genealogie/errorpage.mvc/errorpage404 I think the correct URL for this example is https://en.filae.com/v4/genealogie/search.mvc/searchform?ln=PETIOT&tab=0&idf=False&hmtr=True&gmsr=True Filae (Q86668676) has a Q number, but no Filae ID property exists. Some information at Filae is shown for free, but you need to pay for a subscription in order to see most of the information. Eastmain (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Property proposal

Please, I propose that property Photopickly ID gets created and added to Q65275317 as a reference URL from Wayback Machine (qualifier): part for a qualifier of URL https://archive.is/eugr1 /Please, note that item's YouTube channel contains most-upper banner text similar to i.e. Photopickly so add that property to the item in question. I've just added Property:4576 (difference between revisions: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65275317&diff=2143621493&oldid=2143612683 Special:Diff/2143612683/2143621493). Please; note that there is one music project present among or between other nine (7th by order) and it is not clearly visible what text is written there; I have just seen better, it is Amazon and is already present as first identifier item has.

Check: http://web.archive.org/web/20240503124935/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-TkhwZkQitPvJ0GV0IJeKA versus http://archive.is/kFhEK (a channel exists). --77.221.2.19; 13.52, 2024-05-03 (UTC)

Note that property creation process is described here. An anonymous Project Chat post is not enough to create one. --Jklamo (talk) 09:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Point-in-time localization

What is used to format point in time (P585), publication date (P577) and similar in languages other than English? For Croatian, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1413796?uselang=hr#P1082 should be 31. kolovoza 2021. instead of 31. kolovoza 2021 (years are ordinals and should end with a dot) Ponor (talk) 21:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

This would be better be reported in Phabricator. I can see Croatian already has definitions for its date format, perhaps the system uses the "default" (whatever it is)? --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Propery proposal 7

Add music.youtube.com as MusicYT ID property. Example of needed usage: Q551335 needs UCW-tVFyrwYL9NdLXbltL04w. --5.43.76.87; 09.32, 2024-05-09 (UTC)

Is it really an item of class Q618779?

I see the problem here. Honoris causa is in fact not an item but property: it is not a separate award or degree but a sort of some awards/degrees. A person might hold the degree of Q752297, Q2248352, Q837343, Q17379493 and so on assigned to them honoris causa, i.e. without providing required thesis etc. So I would argue that this is in fact an item of class Q189533, and the proper use of it for the persons must be as a qualifier for any of aforementioned (and some other) degrees within the property academic degree (P512){{{2}}}{{{3}}}. Андрей Романенко (talk) 12:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Q209896, since this is a general issue. Ymblanter (talk) 18:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
seems like it's both an award and a kind of degree BrokenSegue (talk) 19:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
This kind of degree is an award (as distinct from any regular degree). But the award is not just "honoris causa", the award is "doctor of science honoris causa". Андрей Романенко (talk) 19:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Need to merge

Please merge Q123160974 into Q503592. According to Wikipedia links, both refer to the same topic. Massol1360 (talk) 17:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

It looks like one is about the brand and one is about the (defunct) company that used the brand, so I think they should probably stay separate. Perhaps the article links should be rationalised, though. M2Ys4U (talk) 17:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
This should not be merged at all. Now it's part of P&G but who knows wether the'll keep the brand or sell it in some years. Matthiasb (talk) 12:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

country or country of origin for intangibles like organisations or websites

For websites, and organisations, should country (P17) or country of origin (P495) be used? For organisations that have physical headquarters, then country (P17) could make sense, but so many organisations, or websites that have no clear organisation behind them, are purely virtual and are much closer to an intellectual idea like a book or product when country of origin (P495) would be used. I think my preference is the latter. Vicarage (talk) 13:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Actully this property is a term of customs, Champagne comes from France, Kuckucksuhren from Germany, Wiener Würstchen from Vienna, Austria (except for those from Frankfurt am Main, but that's another story). Unfortunately the German description includes only creative works as in arts. Which is only part of it.
However, for organisations P17 should be used. Not sure for websites. Matthiasb (talk) 12:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Property proposal 2

Add musicboard.app as MusicBoard ID property. Example of needed usage: Q125764902 needs 139337739. --77.221.2.19; 23.27, 2024-05-04 (UTC)

Property proposal 3, 4, 5, 6

Add festivaly.eu as FestivaliEU ID property. Example of needed usage: Q125764902 needs 1449800.

Add www.kkbox.com as KKBox ID property. Example of needed usage: Q125764902 needs HYhuDl2oa-MNXufeYp.

Add thirdeyemusic.co.uk as ThirdEyeMusic ID property. Example of needed usage: Q125764902 needs Uroš_Živković.

Add www.viberate.com as Viberate ID property. Example of needed usage: Q125764902 needs uros-zivkovic.

--77.221.2.19; 23.46, 2024-05-04 (UTC) [e]

Vatican/Holy see

Hi, when it comes to country (P17) value, should we use only Vatican City (Q237) and not Holy See (Q159583) ? I'm wondering. Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 06:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

TIL; The english Wikipedia suggests the Holy See is the combination of the diocese of Rome and the city-state Vatican. Infrastruktur (talk) 07:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Actually, the Holy See and the Vatican are two different subject of international law (Q1896989), with both of them members of the United Nations. However the Vatikanstadt (P237) is the state. Don't see reason for rejcections in P530. Matthiasb (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Holy see is not full member of U.N. https://www.un.org/fr/about-us/non-member-states
Vatican is not listed https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoV Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Create a EntitySchema creator user rights group

Hi, I suggest creating a EntitySchema creator user rights group (just like property creator user rights group, but it can use Special:NewEntitySchema to create new EntitySchema).

We have Wikidata:Schema proposals now, and it says "Schemas are created through discussion with the community, which helps to consider a wide range of use cases and contexts. The new Wikidata Schema will be created once the community reaches consensus about the correct model to use. " We may use this page to discuss new EntitySchema (after a new EntitySchema creator user rights group created.)--S8321414 (talk) 13:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you see any problems that are currently produced by people creating EntitySchema's in a way that such a process would prevent? It was my impression that the main problem with EntitySchema's is a relative lack of engagement with them and not overeager creation of them.
It's also worth noting that Wikidata:Schema proposals is not something that came out of a community debate that ended in a consensus. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Some example like E427 (no meaningful information) and E430 (deleted, invalid EntitySchema). They are created not based on community consensus and not used for any case.--S8321414 (talk) 23:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
It does kind of seem like unnecessary bureaucracy. If there is low engagement, adding another barrier to entry is probably not what we want, at this point in time at least. It was probably meant to model property proposals, but that was something that was established because having properties added willy-nilly would be long-term damaging to the database, so having a gatekeeper function made sense. Worst case here is someone creates an entity schema that is low-quality or isn't used. There are other ways to compensate for this. You could make it easier to delete entity schemas, you can add a quality classification to them (high, medium, low, unassessed), you can also prevent unconfirmed users to create them with an abuse filter. Is there some support for a filter? Infrastruktur (talk) 08:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Should be good to prevent unconfirmed user creating EntitySchema, other method may not be necessary for now.--S8321414 (talk) 11:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Yes, preventing unconfirmed users from creating them seems like a good solution. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Could we switch the default interface skin to Vector 2022?

The current default interface skin is Vector 2010, which is now legacy. I've been trying the new Vector 2022 skin here for a while now, and it seems to be working well. You can try it by changing the interface at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Are there any issues here that could prevent us from changing the default? Would it need a vote here, or should we just submit a request to make the change? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I've been trying it out since you started this thread. My one bugbear with it is that the site links are all moved to the bottom of the page to make room for the new side bar. From Hill To Shore (talk) 08:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I dislike it for the same reason and others, and manually select the 2010 version on all wikis I use. Changing it will effect everyone's custom JS/CSS, but I don't know what features there might break. Vicarage (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
The sitelinks move down when the page is too narrow, on all themes I believe. On my laptop screen, if I have the left-hand menu minimised (there's a switch for this), then the sitelinks appear at the top of the page for me. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
It seems to be a flawed implementation with Wikidata. I can only get the site links into the correct position if I set my 1920*1080 screen to "full width" (option within the Vector 2022 skin) and turn one of the side menus off, or I keep the screen in normal width and turn off both side menus. If the point of having the new skin is to include the two sidebar menus but you need to turn the sidebars off to correctly display the primary material on the page, where is the benefit over the old skin?
It would be useful to see if there are other editors who experience similar problems with different screen sizes. From Hill To Shore (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
With my 2560x1440 Linux Mint display I can get site links only if I disable "limited width" mode. But then the text is too small for comfort. I prefer the limited width display with a single toolbar, as I can boost the font size more. Vicarage (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
As far as the process goes, having this conversation open for a week seems enough for me so that anyone who might complain has the change to object. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Considering there are a lot of links to Wikidata pages in Russian Wikipedia, I think forcing the new interface without adapting it to the needs of Wikidata first (by having interwiki links higher etc.) is plainly unacceptable. I strongly oppose this proposal. stjn[ru] 22:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

A new item was deleted, I need help with undeleting it and unblocking my user

@User:Pi.1415926535

I recently uploaded a few items on wikimedia commons and wikidata.

It was marked as spam and deleted.

One was a page about an award winning author, a media company that supports Non profits and a healthcare agency.

There was no sign of advertising or soliciting.

I'm a new user, please help me navigate to unblock and undelete the posts.

Thank You PRWithSagar (talk) 08:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

One generally starts by asking the person deleting for an undeletion. You can find more information at Wikidata:Guide to requests for undeletion, Commons have their own policies. I note that your talk page privileges were disabled on Commons, which is something that's usually not done at least on Wikidata unless the talk page have been abused or there is reason to suspect that it will be. Infrastruktur (talk) 13:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Commons blocking policy says, "Only prevent the blocked user from using their talk page or sending e-mail if they are likely to abuse these privileges." I don't see any indication of that in this case, but maybe I'm missing something. Regardless, we can't do anything about a Commons block here. Bovlb (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
@Bovlb and Infrastruktur: See my reply here. TL;DR: spammers tend to abuse talk page access to continue spamming unless it is preemptively revoked. The Commons uploads were blatantly promotional. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Ping @Ymblanter as deleting admin of Q125808243, Q125808543, Q125808616. At first glance, deletion was probably warranted (lack of notability) --Emu (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Also cross-wiki spam according to the nomination. Ymblanter (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
I reviewed the three deleted items. None established notability. This appeal does not add any information that would establish notability. Bovlb (talk) 16:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #626

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2024-05-06.
Translations are available.

Discussions

Events

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • Wikidata periodic table - Tool by User:Ricordisamoa, to browse all chemical elements available on Wikidata, with atomic number, chemical symbol, and localized label. It also includes two charts of the nuclides, with links to every isotope in Wikidata, colored by half-life or decay mode.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

  • A new UI mode is available for the online validator for EntitySchemas. It represents validation reports as a table rather than a very long string, and replaces most links with hyperlinks with some of the text behind them; making them easier to read. Currently being tested at https://shex-validator.toolforge.org/packages/shex-webapp/doc/shex-simple-improved.html, we are looking for participants to evaluate this tool. Some experience with editing Wikidata is appreciated, but no experience working with Schemas is required. If you are interested, you can sign up here. We hope to begin interviews around May 13. For more details, visit User:M.alten.tue

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Development

  • We attended the Wikimedia Hackathon.
  • REST API: We are finishing the route for creating an Item (phab:T342990) and modify the data of a Property (phab:T347394)
  • EntitySchemas: We are continuing the work on creating the new datatype to link to EntitySchemas in statements (phab:T214884)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

· Unsubscribe · Help translate · MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Sources on inferrence/reconciliation of property from a "parent" item

Hello! I asked some questions here (Old revision of Wikidata:Project_chat) and it's been a while.

As a recap, I wanted to develop a bot to add IDs on episodes and series, starting with Trakt.tv ID (P8013). I have outlined a good enough process that should result in very small error, if not zero errors. It will miss some, but that doesn't matter as I can do manual work.

One problem that I haven't solve it is what source/reference to put in. As it is a must to add a source for such bots, I have tried to find it out, but I'm still not sure. Some ideas of me:

Can anyone help me on figuring out what source to add? If anyone can help me with this, I would appreciate it. Hans5958 (talk) 04:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hans5958 I usually do not add references to statements for identifiers reconciled in this manner. Every reconciliation is different and it is difficult to precisely represent the 'reconciliation method' using properties such as based on heuristic (P887), so I usually give up. It won't hurt to add based on heuristic (P887) : inferred from title (Q69652283) but that's just one part of your reconciliation process. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 05:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
@Vojtěch Dostál Thanks for the response (again)! I haven't thinking on doing inferred from title (Q69652283), but I don't think I would use it, since the title is not necessarily the primary resource (I think it would be Trakt.tv ID (P8013), but correct me if I wrong about the reconciliation in Wikidata.
Also, so you are saying I can get away with it no source at all? Hans5958 (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
@Hans5958 I would say that most IDs in Wikidata have no meaningful reference. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
@Vojtěch Dostál Ah, you have a point. I would put your considerations on mind. Thanks for the insight, once again. For the note, I would still wait for other repsonses from other contributors. Hans5958 (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Broken Biodiversity Atlas India properties

Birds of India ID (P7536), Moths of India ID (P7538) and Odonata of India ID (P7540) have stopped working after their respective sites changed how species pages work. They have abandoned numerical codes in favor of a "genus-species" code. For example, Rimator malacoptilus (Q1587719) has the ID 1724, which is supposed to link to https://www.birdsofindia.org/Rimator-malacoptilus. Unfortunately, the old IDs do not redirect to the new pages. Boylarva99 (talk) 17:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Boylarva99 Has the author of the property proposals been notified? I guess that would be the first step. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

please fix

The enwiki sitelink for Yang di-Pertuan Agong (Q174156) is now pointing at the redirect due to some disruption which was unknowingly spread here. 115.188.127.196 04:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I fixed it; it now points to w:King of Malaysia. Kk.urban (talk) 04:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

What do with redirects?

Hello. I'm fairly experienced at Wikidata but there's one thing I don't know. I work at French Wikipedia and lately I've created a few redirects, for categorization purposes, for articles that don't yet exist at frwiki. For example: the Canadian documentary Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story which has the English wiki article Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story (Q124853370). On the French side, I have created this categorized redirect fr:Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story. So should I create a Wikidata item for that, as a redirect, or just add it as the French entry at Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story (Q124853370)? thanks, Shawn à Montréal (talk) 14:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding a sitelink to Any Other Way: The Jackie Shane Story (Q124853370) would be best. You'll need to add a redirect badge at the same time, in case you've not done this before — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks. Shawn à Montréal (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

area = 15.476046301239837 km²

Some municipalities in Norway, e.g. Grimstad (Q90590), Ullensaker (Q57917) (I would suspect most, if not all in municipality of Norway (Q755707) [1]) have in their area (P2046) truly precise values, I checked one, it was by User:Jeblad (bot) not active any more. Now 15.476046301239837 km² = 15476046.30124 m² or 154760463012.4 mm². What is demonstrated here, is a deep non-understanding of sound measurements and sound realistic precisions in a physical context. There are refs, but they lead to a general page (maybe someone can check whether these figures are from that website). Nobody can measure the area of ice (Q23392), snow (Q7561), glacier (Q35666), lake (Q23397), river (Q4022), forest (Q4421), bog (Q1681353) to that precision (fractions of square mm). And if, you have to give the timestamp in fractions of millisecs. Does Wikidata have an educational mission? Should we copy the dumbness of the world into wikidata? Copying data 1:1 from any source might be convenient, but rounding to that extent cannot be the burden of the user of these data. IMHO we need defined maximum precisions in certain contexts, that make sense in the context and are applied automatically at least when showing, returning, etc these values (e.g. lengths of rivers, areas of communities, heights of mountains, lengths of coast lines, etc. etc.). Adding error intervals in general would be great. An area of a community, parts of the community, can be measured quite accurately from satellite, but fraction of square mm is beyond anything. Rounding need not skip any decimals, but just keep them in the intestines. Not showing, not returning.

Let me compare this to coordinate location (P625), where you can at least define a precision, but the default precision is Spezial (±1e-8°) (which makes me also wonder). At least you can define the precision, alas this will round / truncate the figures. best --Herzi Pinki (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I understand precision issues well, but I can't be bothered to pick a sensible number of decimal places when copying someone else's values into coordinate location (P625), often because they are the result of a calculation. I expect areas are the same. I always assume a bot will sort it out. When I query the same data I do apply a sig fig filter before displaying it because it bugs me like it does you. But an education campaign and obsession over the raw data seems misplaced. Perhaps WD could have user preferences for display precision. Vicarage (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
In Land Surveying, points are rarely assumed to be precise to any more than a millimeter; usually with 2 centimeters is considered accurate for as-builts. To avoid loss of possibly correct data, while rounding to a reasonable degree, I think all locations should be rounded to either the nearest centimeter or, better, a millimeter. That's likely overkill for most applications (especially geological features). Especially for the area of a polygon, if you're using decently accurate GPS to shoot the circumference (+- 2cm), your base uncertainty is +-4 cm in each direction, so 8cm^2 uncertainty at a minimum for a 4 point rectangle. Assuming the Surveyor was very diligent and took shots at all the key points along irregular sections, your uncertainty is going to be measured in meters by the time you've surveyed even a pond. DoubleCritch (talk) 22:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Odia (Odia (Q16290870))

Is it okay to have a single entry that is both a family name (family name (P734)) and given name (given name (P735)), or should it be split? Eastmain (talk) 02:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC) query repaired. Eastmain (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@EastmainThey should be 2 separate entities. RVA2869 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

New to this site

Hi everyone I'm new to this site. And i don't really understand the wkidata thing how it operate

@Muni 41.121.89.127 15:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Coordinate Me 2024 German Dashboard

I got curious about this event you hosted however I see that basically all the entries in the German Dashboard are already filled with coordinates. Where can I find missing ones or what do you recommend me to edit after that? I'm not quite sure what to do if all the coordinates are already entered. Cartermachiavelli (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

You might have better luck asking at Wikidata talk:Events/Coordinate Me 2024/Participate/de. CC@User:Manfred Werner (WMAT) Bovlb (talk) 17:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the ping, Blvb!
@Cartermachiavelli, two things: First, the contest is not just about adding coordinates. As it says, underlined to emphasize it, on the page with the rules (en, de): You don't necessarily have to change the geocoordinates, other changes to the item also count! / Du musst nicht unbedingt die Geokoordinaten ändern, auch andere Änderungen an dem Artikel zählen! Second, you may find items within the scope of the contest (objects that have or could have coordinates) through the example queries and hints we prepared: in English or auf Deutsch. --Manfred Werner (WMAT) (talk) 21:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

New-Q5 tool errors

I'm not sure who (or how) to contact the developer directly, but the very useful New Q5 tool has recently been failing for me. It works just fine when adding data to existing items, but when it comes to creating new items, it fails to provide crucial elements of QuickStatements code, e.g. "CREATE", "P31=Q5", and fields for labels and descriptions. The admin/developer appears to be VDK, but I cannot find a Wikimedia contact and am not on GitHub. If anyone could ping the user VDK, or implement a fix, please do so. Thanks! -Animalparty (talk) 20:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

It's a little disturbing that this tool doesn't point people at our notability policy or urge them to avoid duplicates. Compare with the first line of Special:NewItem. Bovlb (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Like most aspects of Wikidata, it's not perfect but it (usually) works, and most people who would make best use of it probably don't know where to find it. It's great for adding referenced birth dates, and not needing to be a CS major to use. -Animalparty (talk) 23:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I would guess that most people who find the tool already have an understanding of our policies. I would only see a need to specifically point that out if we see problematic creations with the tool and not apriori. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
ping @1Veertje RVA2869 (talk) 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey @Animalparty,
Sorry about the bug, I had already noticed it myself but it's nice to hear from someone who uses it. I've added my userpage on meta to my GitHub account to avoid confusion in the future. You might need to do a hard refresh of your browser (Shift+F5) for the CSS and JS to update. I've added a notice to the top of the page with a reference to notability standards and the tool's README. Before I updated that only reading the code would have revealed the hidden feature that it can calculate what "last Friday" was in relation to the publication date of the given reference. I went the extra mile and made it so users who are familiar with the tool don't get that notice by storing its "closed" state in a cookie. 1Veertje (talk) 15:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for adding a note about notability. Is it possible to track the edits that are made with this tool, say with a tag? Bovlb (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing several descriptions quickly

Is there a way of making the same change to multiple articles, like AWB on wikipedia? The main issue is that at some point multiple women's sport articles got the description "football tournament season" see history on 2001 NCAA Women's Water Polo Championship. It would be super cool if I could grab a wikipedia category and enter a description for all the entries. It would be extra neat if I could add properties that are identical for all the entries at the same time, like "instance of" and "sport". Not worth requesting a bot with batches of only 45 entries at most. Any ideas? or just keep plugging along? Thanks! Tbennert (talk) 05:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

maybe Help:QuickStatements? or probably a better fit is Wikidata:PetScan BrokenSegue (talk) 06:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
I did try PetScan but I'm at a loss how to link things up between the two projects. I'll read the manual and see if I can find an answer. Thanks! Tbennert (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
I did a large batch edit project last summer, and I found Openrefine very helpful for updating labels. I used the query service to get a csv of the people and Wikidata IDs that I was looking for, then I loaded it into Openrefine, reconciled with Wikidata, and made my edits. I think the hardest part was making a schema so Wikidata understood what I was trying to put back in. I'm not an expert so I wouldn't really be able to walk you through it, but that page has some documentation that may be helpful. Mcampany (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Best way to describe complicated classifications (of soils)?

I need an advice or inspiration about how to organize various soil systematic units (soil types) in various soil classifications.

Is there any good description/tutorial/discussion/know how etc. how organize classification of environmental units where there are no strict natural borders but dividing into types may be done by scientists by various ways (e.g. soils, rocks, waters, climate, plant communities)?

At the moment we have various soil taxonomic units described as soil types. What is the best way to show hierarchy of various taxonomic units? How connect soil type with soil classification? What is the best way to show that some soil units names (e.g. brown soil) may be present in a few soil taxonomies (in every for similar, but not the same soils), on different levels of hierarchy and/or describe slightly different soils in different editions of the same taxonomy (so differ in time)? It is truly Gordian Knot. Plogeo (talk) 18:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

There are a lot of questions here.
Is there any good description/tutorial/discussion/know how etc. how organize classification of environmental units where there are no strict natural borders but dividing into types may be done by scientists by various ways (e.g. soils, rocks, waters, climate, plant communities)?
Are you talking about the kinds of environmental units or examples of said units? E.g. desert (Q8514) is about deserts at large and Sahara (Q6583) is about the Sahara, a specific desert (this relationship is show via instance of (P31)). As you may imagine, we probably don't have an item for every biological or environmental region ever identified, but in principle, there's no reason why we can't have one.
At the moment we have various soil taxonomic units described as soil types. What is the best way to show hierarchy of various taxonomic units?
Unlike the above, where a statement with instance of (P31) was used, use subclass of (P279) to show child types or subtypes.
How connect soil type with soil classification?
I believe the above answers this.
What is the best way to show that some soil units names (e.g. brown soil) may be present in a few soil taxonomies (in every for similar, but not the same soils), on different levels of hierarchy and/or describe slightly different soils in different editions of the same taxonomy (so differ in time)?
There are similar issues with biological taxonomies, where w:en:clades exist in more-or-less arbitrary divisions or w:en:polyphyly-related groups like w:en:slime molds exist. As someone who is not a taxonomist, I'd recommend trying to see how that's dealt with here and reproduce it on soil type items.
—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Community Wishlist: Upcoming changes to survey, and work on template selection wishes

Hello everyone,

We have two updates about the Community Wishlist Survey:

Update one concerns upcoming changes to the survey. In the new survey, we are experimenting with grouping similar wishes into a problem space known as Focus Area and modifying the way the community votes to complement this approach. We also have mockups of the new wish intake form. Get the full details.

The other update announces the selection of 4 related wishes around template use for fulfillment (e.g. adding infoboxes and bookmarking templates).

Please make time to read the announcements in detail, and join the discussions.

On behalf of Community Tech –– STei (WMF) (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Properties on Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) items

Is there a WikiProject guideline or past discussion that details what properties should be used with these items? There have been many recent batches that added country (P17) to thousands of list items (example: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q115767416&diff=2141785849&oldid=1986343405), and has part(s) (P527) is often used too. My understanding is that instance of (P31), is a list of (P360) and category related to list (P1754) are pretty much the only ones that should be used? Xezbeth (talk) 09:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I think P361 and P527 are correct in lists such as list of aircraft beginning with M (Q6605098) where a list is on multiple pages and the parts are sections of a list, or a list is composed of multiple lists; not sure about Gallery of the Royal Saxon milestones (Q1491902) where the parts are members of the list. Peter James (talk) 12:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Generally, Wikidata is quite open with different properties being used and I can't think of an example where I would say that only a few properties can be used. Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) itself does have a few properties for this type (P1963) statements which suggests that country (P17) is quite proper. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
The item is supposed to be specifically about the Wikipedia list and not what is actually being listed. How can a non-physical arbitrary list of stuff be physically in a given country? —Xezbeth (talk) 05:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
@Xezbeth The property P17 is not only for things physically located in a given country. It has a wider usage in Wikidata, close to "pertains to (country)" Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I've always used country (P17) as a qualifier on is a list of (P360) rather than directly on the item. - Nikki (talk) 09:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Sweet Baby Inc. (Q107327507)

Any complaints if i move the photos back to image (P18)? Trade (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, the images don't depict the subject do they? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Didn't knew the CEO/COO were someone else Trade (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
I thought those were people? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

This is a circumvention of a proper presentation which I tried to implement, leading to complaints that more data is needed:

  1. This chief executive officer statement is missing a qualifier start time.
  2. This chief operating officer statement is missing a qualifier start time.

Why would one be allowed to store claims of CEO/COO in free text instead of proper representation? Rostworowski (talk) 13:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Merge common multiple (Q10855396) and common multiple (Q125922397)

The first item has 3 wikipedia pages of East Asian languages, the second item, common multiple (Q125922397), is newly created by me, before I find the first item. common multiple (Q125922397) is inspired by common divisor (Q10892988) , the subclass hierarchy of divisor (Q50708) - common divisor (Q10892988) - greatest common divisor (Q131752).

The question is how to merge these 2 items? Which one has *higher* precedence to stay, which the other removed? JuguangXiao (talk) 04:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

The normal method is to retain the older item and redirect the newer item. I have merged these for you. Next time, please check Help:Merge for info on how to do this yourself. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips and demo. ✓ Done JuguangXiao (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Sign up for the language community meeting on May 31st, 16:00 UTC

Hello all,

The next language community meeting is scheduled in a few weeks - May 31st at 16:00 UTC. If you're interested, you can sign up on this wiki page.

This is a participant-driven meeting, where we share language-specific updates related to various projects, collectively discuss technical issues related to language wikis, and work together to find possible solutions. For example, in the last meeting, the topics included the machine translation service (MinT) and the languages and models it currently supports, localization efforts from the Kiwix team, and technical challenges with numerical sorting in files used on Bengali Wikisource.

Do you have any ideas for topics to share technical updates related to your project? Any problems that you would like to bring for discussion during the meeting? Do you need interpretation support from English to another language? Please reach out to me at ssethi(__AT__)wikimedia.org and add agenda items to the document here.

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Land Acknowledgement Statements

Is there an agreed upon method for making a statement for land acknowledgements to indigenous people, tribes, and nations? I've only managed to find an example on Q239303, but it utilizes the "of" property that I understand is being phased out. I am looking for a way to state that a building or campus is located on the territory and ancestral lands of a specific tribe. Is there already a way, and if not, how can one be created? Apologies if this is not the correct forum to ask this question, or if my limited understanding of Wikidata's inner workings makes it difficult to understand the question. Catalogingcsusb1 (talk) 18:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

What exactly is a "land acknowledgements" and how does it differ from ownership? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
w:en:Land acknowledgement. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Here's an example of what a land acknowledgement is and also the reasons why they are used: https://www.ualberta.ca/toolkit/communications/acknowledgment-of-traditional-territory.html . I considered "ownership," but "ownership" implies legal control and responsibility of the object currently there, and that is not the case. In the United States and Canada it's a more common practice, but there may be places and countries where it is not applicable. Catalogingcsusb1 (talk) 13:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
This is the appropriate venue to ask. I don't see any appropriate properties, but you can suggest one. Let me know if you need help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! I am reading the information on how to propose a property and will see how far I get with that. Catalogingcsusb1 (talk) 13:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you all for joining in on this! After looking further into the property suggestion process, I reached out to the Linked Data group I'm participating in because the process is a bit beyond me. I'm also wary of blundering into a sensitive subject and not accounting for all of the regional term variations or missing something important in the description. Our university worked with local tribes and peoples to build our land acknowledgement, and I'm wondering how the Property here can be added with similar care... Catalogingcsusb1 (talk) 15:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

إضافة رابط معرف freebase لعنصر ويكيداتا

عنصر ويكيداتا "وليد العامودي" أضف له عنصر معرف freebase 88embote (talk) 10:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Postcards: New Properties for address side informations on Postcards

For the WikiProject Postcards on Commons it would be helpful to also capture data of the Address Side of a Postcard e.g. the name of the addressee and the acutal address of the addressee in SDC in Commons. I therefore thought of new Poperties such as name of addressee, address of addressee and name of sender, address of sender. I have no experience in making a Property Porposal and thought of sharing the idea in order to get feedback. What are your thoughts about these new properties? I opened a Discussion on the Project Page about this property idea. CuratorOfThePast (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

When it comes to the name of the sender of a post card, I would say that the sender is the author (P50) of the post card. The property for the addressee on the other hand is addressee (P1817). If we don't have a Wikidata item for either you can use unknown value Help with subject named as (P1810).
We have street address (P6375) that could be used as a qualifier on author (P50)/addressee (P1817). I don't see a need for a new property. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

merge/redirect for Q85755870 (David Miles (actor)) to Q18577677 (David Miles)

I think the correct thing to do is to leave Q18577677 in place, adding "David Miles (actor)" for the English Wikipedia entry, change Q85755870 to be a redirect to Q18577677.

These refer to the same actor/director who lived from 1871 to 1915.

I read about the automatic merge gadget, but I didn't like the fact that I couldn't selectively control which information would be overlaid, so I had no confidence that it wouldn't overlay valid existing content in Q18577677. Fabrickator (talk) 23:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

The automatic merge gadget will transfer all information without any loss or overwriting (except for descriptions). Selective control is possible, simply remove wrong information from either item before or after merging (doing so after merging has the advantage that you can immediately see the result and possible redundancies, contradictions, etc.). --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Data models pages

Hi. While studying the overall architecture of guidelines I have discovered the pages related to the concept of Wikidata:Data model. It's quite ironic that even within such "model" pages, there's a lack of uniformity, even in their titles. This is not an optimal situation for a platform which relies on increasing quality of its metadata.

To address this issue (and I suppose also partially streamline a possible long-due standardization process), User:Epìdosis and I have proposed a more complete categorization. You can now find all the alternative names that we have categorized listed here.

Additionally, I've shared a preliminary draft of a future navbox on this talk page.

While this task isn't easy, it's certainly necessary. It's not a priority for me at the moment and I may not have the time to tackle it completely or quickly (honestly I cannot say I wish to do so, it was just time to reduce this ongoing "chaos"), but if there are no objections or alternative suggestions, I plan at least to proceed with finalizing the navbox over the next few months. This should provide a more comprehensive overview and help reduce the inconsistency over the next years. Alexmar983 (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Does this address your concern? Wikidata:Database reports/EntitySchema directory JuguangXiao (talk) 02:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #627

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2024-05-13.
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Weekly Tasks

· Unsubscribe · Help translate · Mohammed Abdulai (WMDE) (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Today's ENWP Signpost has an Op-Ed that concerns Wikidata.
Wikidata to split as sheer volume of information overloads infrastructure
Bovlb (talk) 15:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

merge request

Q118902743 and Q125727764 treat exactly the same. I wanted to merge them but was not able to. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: ✓ Done. Jonathan Groß (talk) 16:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

How to link wind direction with the direction?

As north wind (Q21332443) (southbound) is related with north (Q659) and south (Q667) , are there properties to define 'from' and 'to' for direction? JuguangXiao (talk) 02:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

How to relate a intercardinal direction (Q10351538) to cardinal direction (Q23718) (s) ?

Example: northeast (Q6497686) to north (Q659) and east (Q684).

First of all, it is agreed on cardinal direction (Q23718) is primary type and intercardinal direction (Q10351538) is secondary? So that the instance of secondary type should refer to of primary type, not the other way round?

Secondly, is there a property to indicate the "composed of/with" or alike? as northeast (Q6497686) is composed with north (Q659) and east (Q684).

Lastly, Is there a way to define the serial relation that if I want to say north (Q659)followed by (P156)northeast (Q6497686), in clockwise direction (Q16726164) by 45 degrees ? JuguangXiao (talk) 02:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Complicated undo needed

An inadvertent merge of Leucothoe grayana (Q11326559) and Eubotryoides (Q25414350) was accidentally initiated by me when I moved an article that I created on en.Wiki, Eubotryoides grayana, to Eubotryoides (since it is monotypic). It seems that this dragged along a Wikidata item. Then a newbie user with only five edits merged that item with another with the same name. What I would like is the merge undone, then the automated Wikidata move(?) undone, to get everything back to the names and item IDs they had before. Abductive (talk) 20:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I have undone the merge, but I'm not sure whether there is more that ought to be done. Bovlb (talk) 20:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, that seems to have taken care of it. Abductive (talk) 10:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Bovlb (talk) 03:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Merge request: Britski's catfish

Britski's catfish (Q357243) is older and has 14 wikipedia articles connected to it. Corydoras britskii (Q28599144) refers to the same species of fish. Can someone merge the two, please? Thanks. Mateussf (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mateussf: Generally on Wikidata, taxonomic synonyms are usually kept as separate items, even if they refer to the same thing. In this case, one is Brochis britskii and the other is Corydoras britskii. 115.188.127.196 11:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Ernest Hemingway

Cheers,

Why is there a need for two Ernest Hemingway items? "Category:Ernest Hemingway (Q8421635)" seems redundant to "Ernest Hemingway (Q23434)." Clearly, (Q23434) should be the only item.

Is the problem in Wiki Commons where there are two items - Category:Ernest Hemingway and Ernest Hemingway. Is this a problem that needs to be addressed in Commons first?

Color me confused

Mtjannetta (talk) 17:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

No, they are not redundant. There are many projects, including the English Wikipedia, which contain both an article and a category on Hemingway. Ymblanter (talk) 18:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Better sources

I have a question: The references that required for the date of birth can come from other databases? Are they considered reliable? because on Wikipedia, they are not considered reliable sources.

Thank you very much! D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The constraint asks for a reference, it does not ask for the reference needing to meet certain criteria. Using common sense is advised when picking references. Even in those cases where sources are unreliable and can be quite useful to know what source was used for a given claim. On the other hand, putting a lot of unreliable data into Wikidata isn't a good idea. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 00:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Search priority

Hello,

for a while I have been wrapping my head around how Wikidata prioritizes entities when performing text search on the main Wikidata page (the input box in the right upper corner, e.g. why when writing human the results show human (Q5) on the first line and not something different). I have made a comment few weeks back, and was made familiar that Wikidata uses Elastic Search and probably this is the code mirror repository. I have been looking into it and found profile config files. But I still don't quite understand.

There are profiles for the EntitySearch and EntityPrefixSearch, which to my understand should be the main queries when performing search. Then there are the rescore config files, to my understanding rescore in Elastic is performed on results yilded by the main query. Looking into the files, the rescore functions prioritize entities that have many incoming links and sitelinks (two saturation functions with weights 0.6 and 0.4 while weight of query is 1 and weight of rescore query is 1, the final score should be sum of those scores), but I could not find where the rescore functions are used and whether there are more used somewhere (e.g. appending to a chain of rescore functions). Furthermore, the Elastic bm25 scores are not normalized to [0,1], is there some normalization step before rescoring? Since the rescore with incoming and sitelinks is in the interval [0,1].

Is there someone who would be please willing to explain the process step by step? Martin Gora (talk) 11:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Martin Gora: I don't think the developers are regularly checking this board. Maybe try Wikidata:Report a technical problem? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
But “I’m curious how this works” is hardly a technical problem IMHO. (Also, given that it’s search-related, Wikidata:Report a technical problem/WDQS and Search would be a slightly better fit than the parent page.)
@Martin Gora: The search team holds monthly “Talk to the Search Platform / Query Service Team” open meetings (usually on the first Wednesday of each month; see May announcement), I think those would be a good venue for your question. Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE) (talk) 09:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
@Martin Gora CirrusSearch makes use of search profile to tune the retrieval and ranking functions depending on the use-cases. The list of search profiles can be extracted using the cirrus-profiles-dump API.
The search profile system has different types (similariry, ft_query_builder, rescore to name a few), knowing how they get assembled is far from trivial but you could get a sense by looking at the contexts section of the API results above, for instance wikibase_fulltext_search is the search context we use to rank results in Special:Search when selecting namespaces holding wikidata entities, if searching for other namespaces we fallback to the default context.
If you are curious you can see extract some debug information from the search system:
  • see how the query is actually built by appending &cirrusDumpQuery to your search URL
  • see how the explanation of how the scores are computed by appending &cirrusDumpResult&cirrusExplain=pretty to your search URL
  • you can also instruct CirrusSearch to a use particular profile by appending the uriParam listed in the overriders from the profiles API, e.g. you can force to use another rescore function by appending &cirrusRescoreProfile=profile_name to your search URL
We generally do not normalize the retrieval scores before applying the rescore window functions indeed, given the wide variety of fields we use, it would be hard, I think, to get to reasonable normalization function. This means that the more words you have in your query the more impactful the text matches will be, which I think is reasonable. For wikis where we have enough data we train a model that results in a decision tree (Q831366) which is less prone to normalization problems.
As suggested by Lucas please feel free to join one of our office hours we would be happy to explain this to you in more details. DCausse (WMF) (talk) 19:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
I want to thank you - @ArthurPSmith, @Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE), and @DCausse (WMF)) - for your helpful comments. I will definitely try to join the montly meeting.
Best regards, Martin Gora (talk) 11:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Opinions on data structure

So, I wanted to add the position in the world ranking list for top 100 chess players each month. Now I wonder what structure should be preferred.

Magnus Carlsen (Q106807)Elo rating (P1087)2906point in time (P585)+2024-04
Magnus Carlsen (Q106807)ranking (P1352)1determination method (P459)Elo rating system (Q105955)point in time (P585)+2024-04

or

Magnus Carlsen (Q106807)Elo rating (P1087)2906ranking (P1352)1point in time (P585)+2024-04

LockaPicker (talk) 11:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I know little about chess, but the first seems sufficient. The elo ranking can be deduced from a sorted query, and it would not make rankings based on other ratings to be harder to query Vicarage (talk) 11:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Long-term vandalism 62.43.191.154

Found at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q30541537&diff=1905583343&oldid=1901236773

Each day edits are made from this IP there seems to be vandalism involved https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/62.43.191.154 Rostworowski (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rostworowski his last edit was on 24 April 2024. Hence - stale request. Next time please post vandalism-related messages to Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard Estopedist1 (talk) 07:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
"his last edit was on 24 April 2024. Hence - stale request." - waht he, what request, what stale? Your message doesn't make any sense at all. Rostworowski (talk) 13:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
It does. Sanctions against IP addresses are seldom done in retrospection. They are meant to be protection, not punishment. And yes, your request should go to WD:AN. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 06:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
No it doesn't. What sanctions do you talk about? And why wouldn't it be "protection" but "punishment" if this IP would be blocked? "And yes, your request should go to WD:AN" - which request? Not even one of your four sentences makes any sense. Rostworowski (talk) 23:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Zhakiyanov (Q42309946)

What should be done with this incorrect item ? Not a given name but a surname as the English Wikipedia article says. Kpjas (talk) 19:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

✓ Done LockaPicker (talk) 16:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Query Service and unknown for dates of birth and death

I did some albeit non-exhaustive searching before posting this.

If a value for "unknown" is added to the "date of birth" or "date of death" fields for a person's wikidata item, the Query Service presents in the query output an odd url with a base of http://www.wikidata.org/.well-known/genid/ and a terminal value which looks like a checksum, for example "792cc70929f20df5f1726b74e278a715". The composed URLS always return a "page not found" error. The query I pulled this particular ID from is shown below in a pre/pre block. What I'm wondering is whether this expected behavior or not. Maybe it is a known bug that has not been addressed? Thanks for considering this question. --Ceyockey (talk) 02:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC) 

SELECT ?person ?article ?DOB ?DOD ?DESC
WHERE
{
  ?person wdt:P31 wd:Q5 .   # human
  ?person wdt:P734 wd:Q5195456 .
  ?article schema:about ?person . 
  ?article schema:isPartOf <https://en.wikipedia.org/>.
  OPTIONAL {?person wdt:P569 ?DOB }
  OPTIONAL {?person wdt:P570 ?DOD }
  OPTIONAL {?person schema:description ?DESC}
  FILTER(LANG(?DESC) = "en")
}
ORDER BY ?article

Ceyockey (talk) 02:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query has helpful people Vicarage (talk) 11:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
I think this is just an oddity of the way we store unknown values. See mw:Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#Special_values. Also, you might like to use the {{SPARQL}} template when quoting SPARQL. Bovlb (talk) 16:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Can grants fully fund a scholarly article and are there any examples in Wikidata?

I'm interested in if a grant can sort of fully fund a scholarly article so that I could add funder (P8324)...or at least correlate a funding grant to a scholarly article. I looked at an orcid of a researcher and under funding I found many grants...but I had no idea if these can correlate to any actual scholarly papers. It looks more like grants are something like "we plan to do some things" but I get the impression that can't correlate to any research...

Is there any data on Wikidata where specifical scholarly articles were funded by grants and can you please link me a few scholarly articles here so I can see them.

Maybe I need to do some work, I don't know interview some charities and researchers who provide grants to get to this information?

Is this data simply not available? If yes, is there a reason why? AutismresearchNeedsupdates (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Let's look at the example where the NIAID funded Coronavirus gain-of-function research in Wuhan. Baric, Shi et al published A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence (Q36702376). In it, they have a Acknowledgements section in which they say: "Research in this manuscript was supported by grants from the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Disease and the National Institute of Aging of the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) under awards U19AI109761 (R.S.B.), U19AI107810 (R.S.B.), AI085524 (W.A.M.), F32AI102561 (V.D.M.) and K99AG049092 (V.D.M.), and by the National Natural Science Foundation of China awards 81290341 (Z.-L.S.) and 31470260 (X.-Y.G.), and by USAID-EPT-PREDICT funding from EcoHealth Alliance (Z.-L.S.)."
If you Google for U19AI109761 you find https://govtribe.com/award/federal-grant-award/cooperative-agreement-u19ai109761 where the grant gets explained but we currently don't have a Wikidata item for that grant. It would be possible for someone to upload those federal grants to Wikidata and run an LLM on the Acknowledgements sections of papers to get the data to link it to papers. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Protect Q1922726

My edit of this page get regularly reverted by someone without an account. they remove the abolishment date even though I have sources. Could it be possible to protect this page? Jhowie Nitnek 08:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Network or Service Problems

When the service is fluctuating or absence for some days as in many towns in Nigeria how could someone edit or create a page? Rabiu tijjani (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Is overthrowing the government of Nigeria cheaper than getting Starlink? Infrastruktur (talk) 20:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Here in Nigeria, we are not overthrowing our government. Nigeria is a republican country, we are changing the government through election for every four (4) years period. Starlink may be get this or next government. Maibadali (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
It was said in jest, but the background for it is this: https://techpoint.africa/2019/11/28/nigerias-social-media-bill/ . Infrastruktur (talk) 19:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
good Maibadali (talk) 19:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Priority in alias handling

Using this as an example, and the related english article: if you have two names that refer to the same concept (oil body and oleosome), with only one present as a page in en:wikipedia (oil body), is it sufficient to add the synonym (oleosome) as an alias to the corresponding wikidata item (by doing this I was able to search for "oleosome" using the internal search function and have the suggestion for "oil body" pop up), or should I also create a redirect page (oleosome -> oil body)? Salusbibbi (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

edit: I noticed the redirect I was talking about already exists, and this was probably the reason for the search results. Anyway, the question still stands in general, but I imagine the indexing in the internal search (and possibly also external) comes exclusively/preferentially from redirects, instead of aliases, so the former should be preferred. Am I right? Salusbibbi (talk) 18:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Search in Wikidata is independent from Wikipedia pages. Aliases matter for your Wikidata search but don't have an effect on what you see when you search within Wikipedia. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

"author" and "author name string"

If "author" is added, is it necessary to remove "author name string" ? Or will a bot do it ? Io Herodotus (talk) 19:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Does it need removing at all? It seems to me that capturing how the author is identified in the referenced work itself may be important, even if the author has an item. M2Ys4U (talk) 20:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
@M2Ys4U, yes, it should be removed. If you're able to include author (P50), then add subproperty object named as (P1932) with the name as given in the source. — Huntster (t @ c) 17:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Generally, I would only expect only one of either for a series ordinal (P1545) value, but to have both isn't a thing that needs to be fixed. Also the author (P50) should have all the same references and qualifiers from the original. In addition, the new statement should have a qualifier of object named as (P1932) with the value of whatever was the previous value of author name string (P2093).
Here is an example of how that might look: [2]. In that example I'm using the tool Author Disambiguator (Q76693569) to make the update. It's a nice tool that can combine both instances.
In regards to whether there are bots that automatically do that, I don't think there are because often times scientific articles have data imported from two sources where the author data is different, mostly when different editions of the same work are erroneously merged. William Graham (talk) 21:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
I thought "author" means : there is an identified page
"author name string" means : there is no page yet Io Herodotus (talk) 21:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

request

hi, please can someone link en:twitch streamer to Twitch streamer (Q50279140) with intentional sitelink to redirect (Q70894304)? i'm an IP address so it's not letting me add it with the badge. 82.132.221.123 13:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Done. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Geolocate

Hi, I want to create a new statement about "Battle of Seseña" (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q923995), because i want to include a "coordinate location". I don´t know how to do it, that's the reason i'm writting this. Thank you in advance. Elena ElenaGarciadeDiego (talk) 10:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

On mobile it is not implemented to add statements yet, on desktop see Help:Statements#Adding_statements LockaPicker (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
You don't need to create a new object for the location, just enter them in the format 52°30'59"N, 13°22'40"E LockaPicker (talk) 11:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Oh okay, it was easier than i thought. Thanks!! ElenaGarciadeDiego (talk) 07:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

After the mayor kitty …

the graduate cat ! @Denny:. author  TomT0m / talk page 17:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That's great news! No Wikidata item for Dr Dow yet? :D --Denny (talk) 18:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Logainm ID

I merged Ballyforan (Q4076806) and Ballyforan (Q104337829) but now I realize they had different Logainm IDs with different outlines, can someone figure out what distinguishes the two entities so I can restore Q104337829. RAN (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the maps at Logainm it seems like one is bigger than the other. Besides that ChatGPT has to say about the difference "The second link, https://www.logainm.ie/ga/42580, provides more detailed historical context regarding the place name "Béal Átha Feorainne." It includes various historical forms and references, such as different name spellings from records dating back to the 16th and 17th centuries, and linguistic insights into the name's evolution. This additional information is not present in the first link, which focuses more on the modern aspects and current usage of the place name." ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
https://www.logainm.ie/ga/42580 is the townland (townland (Q2151232)), and https://www.logainm.ie/en/1414615/ is the population centre (a village, most of which is in the townland, with a few buildings in Coolatober (Q104337977)). I don't know whether to combine these and use subject has role (P2868) on the identifiers or keep them separate - civil parishes and villages in England are usually combined even if a few houses in the village are outside the parish boundary, but in Ireland there can be a townland, civil parish (containing several townlands) and village all with the same name, and Logainm has identifiers for each but sometimes an identifier does not distinguish. Peter James (talk) 15:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

What to do with Karim Ahmad Khan (Q105209571)?

I was updating Karim Ahmad Khan (Q6370541) and noticed there was an identical item at Karim Ahmad Khan (Q105209571). I was going to merge them but noticed that Karim Ahmad Khan (Q105209571) seems to originally have been another person which was merged into Tommy Jones-Davies (Q7819577). What's the recommended course of action? Piecesofuk (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

It was about another person for less than a minute after creation, and then a redirect for a few minutes before being used again (all by the editor who created the item). I don't think that's the same a repurposing an item that had existed for some time or was created by another editor - when duplicating an item it can take more than a minute to change the statements that need changing. Peter James (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
It's okay, somebody else has merged it now. I was under the impression that merged items should never be reused in any circumstances https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge (I noticed in this case that in Karim Ahmad Khan (Q105209571) most of the labels still referred to the original item https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q105209571&oldid=2140576186) Piecesofuk (talk) 08:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #628

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2024-05-20. Please help Translate.

Discussions

  • New requests for permissions/Bot:
    • Browse9ja Bot - Task: Automated data retrieval focusing on Nigerian / African-based information, integrating a chatbot, NLP API, knowledge graph, and machine learning model.
    • DhlizBot - Task: add Dhliz ID (P12696) for persons/films/TV series that exist in Dhliz (Q125594802) database.
    • AmeisenBot 2 - Task: Working on bot requests at WD:RBOT using QuickStatements.

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • Wikidata GenderStats measures gender bias at the user level by computing stats on created items.
  • Created items : a list of items created by a user with labels. This not new but this has been repaired.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Development

  • We have completed the preparation work to migrate the Query Builder's front end from Wikit to Codex (phab:T360096)
  • We also continued work on the EntitySchema data type and refining the CI flow for EntitySchemas (phab:T362000)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Weekly Tasks

Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Dear community members,

The Community Affairs Committee (CAC) of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees invites you to give feedback on a draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the Language Committee or closing projects policy.

You can find the details on this page, as well as the ways to give your feedback from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024, anywhere on Earth.

You can also share information about this with the interested project communities you work with or support, and you can also help us translate the procedure into more languages, so people can join the discussions in their own language.

On behalf of the CAC,

RamzyM (WMF) 02:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Merge "Galician films" and "Filmes de Galicia" categories

Hello everyone, I'd like to request the merge of the following items on Wikidata: Q125962414 (Category:Galician films) Q9908259 (Categoría:Filmes de Galicia); Both refer to the same category and should be merged to avoid duplications. Additionally, I'm encountering issues when trying to add the tag "Category:Filmes de Galicia" to item Q125962414 due to the pre-existence of this tag in Q9908259. I would greatly appreciate it if an administrator could assist in merging them. Thank you for your help! 92.176.79.149 21:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

✓ Done (no need to be admin). VIGNERON (talk) 08:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Merging Category:Food of the United States into Category:Food and drink in the United States

Category:Food of the United States (Q111318637) should be merged into Category:Food and drink in the United States (Q8463135), but the merge failed when I tried to do that. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Same for Category:Kirksville, Missouri (Q65735906) into Kirksville (Q966460). jlwoodwa (talk) 05:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure if the first should be merged as one is "food" and the other is "food and drink". The second should not be merged as one is a category and the other is not. If the only sitelink was Commons it could be moved to Q966460 and then Q65735906 could be deleted, but there is also a German Wikipedia category that would not be suitable for Q966460 (and could not be merged as it conflicts with the sitelink already there). Peter James (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Agree, both should definitely not be merged. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

January 1, 1900 versus 1900

Is there a way we can identify where we have a full date and year only date and automatically give a "preferred rank" to the full date? I may have brought it up before, but I am still processing them by hand when I identify them. RAN (talk) 05:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it is done, with some caveats, by Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/BorkedBot 5 (@BrokenSegue:). Epìdosis 05:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata to split as sheer volume of information overloads infrastructure

From the 16 May 2024 issue of The Signpost (Q16639816)

Wikidata to split as sheer volume of information overloads infrastructure (Q126011233) Bluerasberry (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

  • It looks like scholarly articles will have their own database called Wikicite, the authors and topics will be linked to the Wikidata entries. --RAN (talk) 00:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
isn't this headline misleading? wikidata is not splitting. the query service is. BrokenSegue (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I agree that the headline is misleading. The change is being made to the Wikidata Query Service, not Wikidata proper. It's unclear whether the author of the op-ed understands the nuance or not. -- William Graham (talk) 02:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation and similar deprivation indexes

Dear all

I was wondering if there is an existing mechanism in Wikidata for adding datasets connected to deprivation indexes, such as the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation (SIMD) and POLAR in England?

This data is currently available under a OGL3.0 and provides rich population-level data on access to healthcare, education, income levels, rurality etc. It is comprised of datazones that are ranked approximately every 4 years and are used heavily by Scottish Government and local authorities to decide on policy changes. It is currently available for 2012, 2016 and 2020, with the next one in 2026, in an XML format. More info about 2020, including the type of data that can be downloaded, are available here.


Any thoughts about whether it is suitable for adding to Wikidata, or whether it would be better as a standalone Wikibase would be deeply appreciated. Drkirstyross (talk) 10:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think in principle including them would be a problem, similar to any other demographic data, but there's a major practical issue: what items would we put these on? The published data zones are MSOA or similar, very small areas - and we don't tend to have items corresponding to those geographies. We'd have to duplicate that hierarchy and then tie them back into existing regions, which would be tricky. Andrew Gray (talk) 13:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
That's the tricky thing. Some areas are small (a couple of streets in some cases) but others are vast (those in the Highlands and Islands) as they are designed to encompass ~500 members of the population. Each datazone can contain multiple postcodes and/or council authorities. The ranking from each year is one thing, but it is made up of a plethora of measures that might be really useful additional information.
In the interests of transparency, I am hoping to combine various open population datasets as part of an undergraduate degree module I am coordinating in September 2023, so it would be amazing if the data were incorporated into Wikidata. It won't be the end of the world if it couldn't be done and/or done by then. Apologies, not really answering your question Andrew! Just wanted to start a conversation about it, as I imagine that there are similar governmental datasets available elsewhere. Drkirstyross (talk) 15:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
I think if you're adding more data to these that sounds fine - my concern would be that if we just had an item saying "this tiny bit of Cumbernauld has SIMD 7, and it's in Cumbernauld", there wouldn't really be much more you could do with it. I think ONS provide enough existing data to link them back up to the overlying areas?
It might be worth running up one or two examples and seeing what they look like. Andrew Gray (talk) 23:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Q11639308 and Q56651571

decommissioned (Q11639308) and out of service (Q56651571) are two terms used to describe the state of use (P5817) property. In my opinion, there is no difference between these items, so I propose to merge them. If this difference exists, just I don’t see it, please point out what it is, to make it possible to note this fact in the description of the items (especially in the case of out of service (Q56651571), the description is now meaningless). I think the items also should have the different from (P1889) property added then (as in not in operation (Q111802839)). Pyrlandczyk (talk) 08:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I think something can fall out of use without being actively decommissioned — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
A mothballed power station can be out of service, but can return to service quite quickly. A decommissioned one normally has irrevocable changes. Vicarage (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
  • A vending machine can be temporarily "out of service" because it is empty or unplugged, but at the point where it is beyond repair it becomes "decommissioned". --RAN (talk) 16:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Conflation

I created Zig Zag Productions (Q126074734) because the VIAF currently attached was being used by 4 completely different entries, a rolling paper, a magazine a Japanese band and a Latvian band. If someone can figure out the nationality of the musical group, it can be changed from "conflation" to "musical group", or merged with an existing band. I have not been able to figure it out. RAN (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok it does not make sense f Elonathi (talk) 19:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
If it's the list of works in https://viaf.org/viaf/127976276/ it seems to be related to https://www.discogs.com/label/215164-Zig-Zag-Productions and https://www.discogs.com/label/2736131-Zig-Zag-Productions-USA - I looked at a few and they seem to be mentioned in the copyright information rather than a specific role. It seems to be a company, and is mentioned in https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=myxMAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=zig+zag+productions where it says Christian De Walden (Q5109486) is president and producer. What I'm unsure of is if that and https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb138847893 (the source of the list of works in VIAF) are the same company, or if there are separate Italian and American companies both associated with De Walden. Peter James (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Most of the records listed at https://d-nb.info/gnd/10285190-6 seem to be by https://www.discogs.com/artist/1048919-Zig-Zag-6 which is a pop rap group, possibly Dutch or German, active in the 1990s, but one is https://www.discogs.com/release/194092-Various-Stickman-Musica where "Zig Zag" is https://www.discogs.com/artist/662191-Zig-Zag-3 who is Canadian. Peter James (talk) 19:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
http://isni.org/isni/0000000122539320 has "Italian" from the the BNF, the list of records from DNB, and a link to http://musicbrainz.org/artist/5d62061d-73ed-4478-b5d2-dcc6792ae857 (also https://www.discogs.com/artist/617824-Zig-Zag-2) which is a synth-pop group, probably German, active in the 1980s. Peter James (talk) 19:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
The ISNI website has a form on each ISNI page to report errors, sometimes they create new ISNI when a conflation in an ISNI record is reported and one of the conflated entities doesn't yet have an ISNI. ISNIplus (talk) 06:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Several initial ISNI records were created from VIAF clusters, if VIAF had a conflation at that time it could end up in ISNI. ISNIplus (talk) 06:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Any solutions? Should it be kept as an conflation or converted to Zig Zag Productions, I will make it Zig Zag Productions for now, you can move it back if disagree. --RAN (talk) 00:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

these two pages (on English and Arabic wiki) should be connected, but it won't work

I've tried to connect these two pages, and it seems to be a bit complicated.

renamed from en:2014 Nahal Oz military base raid

these pages here

I think I need to merge those, but I don't know how?

FourPi (talk) 10:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for noting us. I have now merged the items into 2014 Nahal Oz attack (Q20420465). Next time you can find instructions at Help:Merge. –Samoasambia ✎ 10:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
@Samoasambia thank you. FourPi (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Attribution text

At Halsted House (Q96358236) "attribution text" is giving an error. When I looked to see how it was used at another The Musicians (Q655705) it is used the same way with the same error message, any ideas? RAN (talk) 05:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

The property is designed for use on structured data on Commons and should not be used on Wikidata itself. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
+1, this property was not meant for that (as indicated on the constraint itself). I see that DaxServer did a big import using this property wrongly. I guess it should be removed (or moved, maybe as a qualifier of collection (P195) ?). Also ping Fuzheado. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't notice the constraint. I'll remove it. But where should the credit line go, as described in MET object https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/132 ? DaxServer (talk) 09:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
collection doesn't seem to have the attribution text, but has a donated by (P1028). However, not all cases in the MET collection were donated with some being purchased. MET doesn't have that data categorized and just puts everything under "creditLine" DaxServer (talk) 09:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
@DaxServer: Wikidata is about structured data so a text like "Gift of Henry U. and Emma B. Halsted, 1968" should be converted in the relevant provenance statements. That is not an easy task at all! Multichill (talk) 16:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Now I understand why. Thanks again Multichill! DaxServer (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  • @DaxServer: Ah, now I get it. I have seen that error message before. Is there anyway the error message could be reworded to say "this property is to be used exclusively for structured data at Commons" instead of how it is currently worded? Is there a specific reason it is not allowed at Wikidata? Does it have to do with copyright of the attribution sentence? --RAN (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Week passed since 2024-05-16 without new Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations

Special:Contributions/KrBot2 ISNIplus (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@ISNIplus: that bot has an operator. If a bot is not functioning as it supposed to, you should always contact the operator. No point in complaining here at all.
This bot runs on private infrastructure on closed source code so you really need Ivan to fix it. Multichill (talk) 16:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Charles Edwin Odegaard (Q5081342)

I've deprecated the image, because it is apparently the wrong Charles Odegaard. Should it instead be removed entirely? Because we do not have any correct image of him, its inclusion (even deprecated) makes it appear in Infoboxes, etc. - Jmabel (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

This is a good thing. Errors that are visible are more likely to be fixed. Hiding the problem doesn't fix anything. It falls on Hungarian Wikipedia to make sure their infoboxes are properly programmed. Infrastruktur (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I can't speak for every infobox on every project, but generally they should only be using "truthy" statements, so deprecating the claim will make it not used. One advantage to deprecating over deletion is that a bot will not attempt to re-add a deprecated claim. Bovlb (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Jmabel, amazing detective work. I created an entry for the other person and migrated the image there, still deprecated until we get more evidence, I found his obit, and now looking for an image in newspapers from when he was appointed. The Flickr account never misidentifies him, it looks like we misidentified him. --RAN (talk) 02:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
"Mr. Odegaard is not to be confused with, and is not related to, Charles E. Odegaard, former University of Washington president, though the two were good friends. Evelyn Odegaard said they both took to signing their names with their middle initials to avoid confusion. They also had an unofficial pact to both do good work to better their shared name, she said." --RAN (talk) 02:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
This has been resolved, and can be closed. --RAN (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Bovlb (talk) 23:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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