Wikidata:Property proposal/abbrév.

is an abbreviation of

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Not done

Description	this Lexeme is an abbreviation of
Data type	Lexeme
Domain	Lexemes
Example 1	PC (L19838) → "personal computer"
Example 2	VAT (L24245) → value added tax (L24234)
Example 3	MISSING
Planned use	add where needed

is an abbreviation of (item)

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Not done

Description	this is an abbreviation of the name of the organization.
Data type	Item
Domain	Lexemes
Allowed values	organizations
Example 1	"ONU" → United Nations (Q1065)
Example 2	VAT (L24245) → Vanajan Autotehdas (Q2678880)
Example 3	MISSING
Planned use	add where needed

Motivation

We need to link these somehow. CD (L19355) uses derived from lexeme (P5191) this could be an alternative for the first. An alternative for the second could be to create lexemes for the names of organizations, but I don't think we want to do that. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 09:58, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Strong oppose I prefer to keep etymological properties minimalistic, if something can be expressed with derived from lexeme (P5191) then it's ok for me, I also don't see anythig wrong in making lexeme for full name of organizations. If abbreviation is notable than full name too. KaMan (talk) 10:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
  • You would need to qualify P5191 statements each time with "mode of derivation" to get the same. This seems cumbersome. Maybe the first property could be a subproperty of P5191.
    The abbreviation could stand for several things, some which may have lexemes, others only items. --- Jura 11:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

    Why? I find value added tax (L24234) and VAT (L24235) easy to enter and read. KaMan (talk) 11:39, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

    • You omitted the qualifier and Vanajan Autotehdas (Q2678880). --- Jura 11:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

      Which qualifier? I not ommited Vanajan Autotehdas (Q2678880) because I did not created lexeme about Vanajan Autotehdas (Q2678880). KaMan (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

      • Ok. I see. I added it as a separate sample then. --- Jura 12:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

        I'm strongly against mixing different families of meanings in one lexeme. KaMan (talk) 12:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

        • Various approaches are obviously possible. I'm not really sure about the optimal one either. It's part of Wikidata that we need to find a practical solution and periodically adjust that. Given that the format is different from other solutions, the optimal one isn't necessarily one used by others. --- Jura 12:46, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

•  Options For acronyms, entities like VAT (L24245) might actually work better. I updated the sample above. Thanks for mentioning it. --- Jura 13:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

  I don't think multiple languages (Q20923490) would work here. Every language has own pronounciation and inflexion. I already have VAT (L24238) for Polish with 28 forms of declension. KaMan (talk) 13:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

  • It wouldn't replace yours, but it could be the primary "storage" for this. --- Jura 13:36, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done No support.--Micru (talk) 09:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)