User talk:Sjl197

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Best regards! Madamebiblio (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

Hello, I'm Madamebiblio. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent description edits didn't meet the Wikidata description guidelines. Descriptions should appear as though they were in the middle of a sentence, typically start with a lowercase letter, and written from a neutral point of view. For example, "pop singer" would be a better description than "He is the best pop singer." If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!  Madamebiblio (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Tweaking scholarly article

Hi, I’ve made a few edits to The first harvestman described from Bocas del Toro Archipelago: a new Poecilaemula (Opiliones: Cosmetidae) and notes about the genus (Q125171015) to match how articles are typically modelled in Wikidata (I say “typically” but I don’t think this is written down anywhere). I’ve added qualifiers to set author order, removed the italic characters from the title (which should have HTML or any formatting), and added a list of articles cited. Rdmpage (talk) 07:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@Rdmpage: Awesome, many thanks there. I was expecting some bots to come in as that journal seems fairly well integrated to data export/mining, but really it was an excuse to try my hand at creating a literature reference. The help-docs that i read beforehand about the title italicisation were not so helpful, suggesting i *could* do like that, but not really if desirable, nor about common practice etc. Thanks for the addition and fixes - it's helpful to learn as I'm interested to add some aged key taxonomy papers where seems no hope that bots etc will create them. // Else, just one question if i may - do you know any tools which may reformat citations between wikispecies and wikipedia, and ideally also working through wikidata (e.g. some modern journals allow citation export in different format for reference managers, i'd hope that something exists that say can pull from wikidata into creating export format for those others)

Sjl197 (talk) 14:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sjl197 Some bots may have got there in the end, especially to fill in the citations. The title formatting thing gets interesting as some journals do what you did, use non-ASCII characters to mimic italics (as opposed to using HTML tags), so that makes life interesting.

I'm not sure exactly what sort of tools you are after. I spent some time a while back writing code to parse Wikispecies citations and convert them to something more structured, it was a bit of a nightmare.

Wikipedia can use the Cite Q template https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_Q to format a citation based on a Wikidata QID. I gather its use has been controversial (classic argument about whether dependency on a single source is better than multiple local copies of the same thing), but ti certainly gets used. If I recall correctly the Wikispecies community has flat out refused to use Cite Q. Rdmpage (talk) 14:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

P.S. One reason for being pedantic about qualifiers on author names is that that tools such as my ALEC https://alec-demo.herokuapp.com/Q125171015 and Scholia https://scholia.toolforge.org/work/Q125171015 use that information help in their display of items in Wikidata. Rdmpage (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@Rdmpage:. Ok, thanks for thoughts on that latter question. I'd only just seen 'Cite Q' used in the last days, i.e. Q56166192 on wikipedia page for genus Cynorta, hence maybe why the question was on my mind. Two of the authors on that paper have names that vary disastrously across resources. Thanks for the template link, i now discovered i can expand out the extracted parameters. That's essentially what i was after - essentially just to speed up adding citations, even if they're placeholders - but also with eye towards reformat/restructure what the automated output is. I liked the statement of intent about allowing logged-in readers to set preferences on style, the seeming chaos of wikipedia reference styles often pains me! I'll take a look for wikispecies discussion of Cite Q, but even if the community against direct wikidata links, i see benefit to create the bones of a reference template from it, even if then needs several bits of manual imput to fix up complexity with authorships etc. i.e. to create essence of this Wikispecies-template

Thanks for the ps. to explain a bit on your logic for edits, I've been regularly amazed by your inventive new ways of remaking data interact. Cheers!

Sjl197 (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Rereading my comment I think I might not of have been clear that while ALEC is my tool, I have no involvement with the more impressive Scholia project (other than linking to it within ALEC).

It wouldn't take a huge amount of work to make a tool to generate a Wikispecies template if that was something you'd find helpful. Rdmpage (talk) 23:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)